The Atheist Case For Recreational Drug Use

@ossobuco,

Adds, I get that buddhist takes differ, so I'll go in a bingo game for JLNobody's take, re becoming part of the universe.

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@Leadfoot,

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Precisely who are the atheists who you think this question is for?
In this context, anyone who does not have a religious bias on the question of recreational drug use.

Why should those who don't "have a religious bias on the question of recreational drug use" be atheists (or non-religious)?

The Social Sciences department at the Evangelische Hochschule Nürnberg (EVHN) (Evangelical University of Applied Sciences Nuremberg, a nationally recognised centre of university education for religious education) for instances, is the leader (in Germany) when educating the idea of controlled use of drugs.

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@ossobuco,

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This thread is a puzzlement to me.

Me too. I thought I asked a simple question about recreational drug use but most want to talk about religion or the non-existent atheist.

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I'm by now moderately known on the a2k boards as an atheist, a word that means to me without theism.

Thank you, I was beginning to think I had slipped into the Twilight Zone and atheism was an unknown concept there. I have nothing against them, my long term partner/GF/whatever is an atheist so I think I know what it means.

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I see no relevance to my complicated thoughts on drug usage, drug misuse, libertarianism, or authoritarianism.

It shouldn't have, and that is unlike the religious who DO see the relevance of their beliefs to the question. That's why I asked the question as I did.

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I'll volunteer that I am not fond of Cartels in general, nor the factors that got them started.

And I also hold the prohibitionists responsible for the rise of organized crime (if that's what you meant).
That's another injustice foisted on us by the nanny state "for the good of society'.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Why should those who don't "have a religious bias on the question of recreational drug use" be atheists (or non-religious)?

Just playing the odds here in the US. We are frequently behind the curve sociologically.
I think it was a safe bet.

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When you aim a question at people simply because they are atheists and then don't understand why people discuss atheism instead of cooperating with being labeled like a community it's a sure fire way to have a thread go off the rails immediately.

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@InfraBlue,

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A major reason for banning the recreational use of drugs is that, generally, it is thought to be detrimental to society.

Thanks for the straight answer.

But how's that working out? They really don't control drug use and cause a LOT of damage in their attempts to do so. We have the highest rate of incarceration in the world last time I checked, largely due to prohibition. First we put them in that horrible prison environment then we ruin their chances of getting a job with a criminal record. And of course there is the matter of creating organized crime.

Is that not detrimental to society?

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@edgarblythe,

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When you aim a question at people simply because they are atheists and then don't understand why people discuss atheism instead of cooperating with being labeled like a community it's a sure fire way to have a thread go off the rails immediately.

If it went off the rails, it went off in a most enlightening way. I didn't get many answers to the question posed (but it's only hours old) but the other answers were even more interesting.
I have no complaints at all about how it went.

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I know you think you asked a simple question but you didn't. You've created an impossible situation for believers and non-believers to offer you a so-called logical reason why they (if atheist) are not pro-drug use. You possibly think it's a more complex question than "do you still beat your wife". I'm pretty sure that atheist's don't congregate at a church, temple, mosque,wikken camp to not celebrate and engage in non worship. Your friend can only expose you to what they as an individual does not believe in. I'm not sure you have as detailed an understanding of all the worlds religions you would need to make such a sweeping generalization. You have offered an example of what you guess should be the logical stand but it's just a misunderstanding of others views you are clinging to.

I should just kick myself right now, I know I'll be asked for proof after explaining there is no such thing as proof when discussing fantasies. There are days I really piss me off. Sheesh

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The OP’s intellectually vacuous use the word atheist is equivalent to grouping people as non-alchemists or non-witches.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

In my opinion all Atheists are whacked out smack heads, and anyone who claims to be an Atheist but isn't scagged out right now is just lying to themselves. All Christians are ripped to the tits on phenobarbitone, that's real Christians mind, the bloody heretics are riding the largactil train to Boobsville. And don't get me started on the ******* Buddhists, you really don't want to know what they're into.

Damn izzy, sometimes you are just inspired. Frankly, I live for moments like this. It's why I put up with so much nonsense in other threads, because I know you will likely show up and make me laugh. Thank you

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@glitterbag,

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I know you think you asked a simple question but you didn't.

I know I used the expression 'simple question' awhile back, but I didn't actually think it simple at all. If it was the US would not be still struggling with it after more than 70 years. 'Atheism' was also a way to get people to think about it in more than the usual ways that people usually think about the 'War on Drugs'. I hope it will get people to consider the root reasons why they are pro or anti recreational drug use and the role of government in making personal decisions for them.

But like I told Edgar, the response to the use of 'atheism' in the question is a side effect better than I could have hoped for.

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@Leadfoot,

I really don't know what you think you are learning. You may only be gathering 'evidence' to prove a notion you came up with.

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@Leadfoot,

Off subject or is it, I was responding re the Cartels from Mexico and more places infiltrating into the US southwest and going north. Cartels with nasty habits messing up Mexico in many ways.

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@glitterbag,

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I really don't know what you think you are learning. You may only be gathering 'evidence' to prove a notion you came up with.

Nothing mysterious Glitter. I just didn't know many atheists would react so passionately to the commonly known attributes of atheism : ie. A- meaning 'No' , and Theism- meaning beliefs about God.

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@ossobuco,

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Off subject or is it, I was responding re the Cartels from Mexico and more places infiltrating into the US southwest and going north. Cartels with nasty habits messing up Mexico in many ways.

That is bad too, but have people forgotten that organized crime got started here in the 20s with alcohol prohibition and is still here in even more malignant ways? There are many cities where you do not have the option to open a legitimate business unless you are a 'member'. You can open but you will find your equipment sabotaged or place of business burned. Anything from catering to waste hauling may be controlled by crime syndicates in many large cities. Once you give birth to organized crime it virtually never goes away. If you think I'm making that up you are mistaken.

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@Leadfoot,

That's a problem, many folks have responded but not all of them are atheist. Please don't ask me which one is which, and I am finished with this thread. You're asking people to take your question seriously but you seem to dismiss all the serious answers you get. It opinions are going to handled in a high handed way, it's a pointless endeavor. Good luck

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@Leadfoot,

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A major reason for banning the recreational use of drugs is that, generally, it is thought to be detrimental to society.
Thanks for the straight answer.

But how's that working out? They really don't control drug use and cause a LOT of damage in their attempts to do so. We have the highest rate of incarceration in the world last time I checked, largely due to prohibition. First we put them in that horrible prison environment then we ruin their chances of getting a job with a criminal record. And of course there is the matter of creating organized crime.

Is that not detrimental to society?

Yep.

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@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

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Precisely who are the atheists who you think this question is for?
In this context, anyone who does not have a religious bias on the question of recreational drug use.

That's what you meant to say? I don't think I've ever seen a more ineptly stated question.

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@Leadfoot,

I have read a lot.

Do not presume what I have read and digested.

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@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

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A major reason for banning the recreational use of drugs is that, generally, it is thought to be detrimental to society.

But how's that working out? They really don't control drug use and cause a LOT of damage in their attempts to do so. We have the highest rate of incarceration in the world last time I checked, largely due to prohibition. First we put them in that horrible prison environment then we ruin their chances of getting a job with a criminal record. And of course there is the matter of creating organized crime.

Is that not detrimental to society?

So, how does that jibe with your religion?

Live and let live and let God sort them out at judgement?

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