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The Democratic primary isn't anywhere as bitter as it looks online

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jun, 2016 05:55 pm
@DrewDad,
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For the rest, here's your standard-issue horse, lance, and suit of armor. The windmills are that-a-way.


You haven't actually read Don Quixote, have you?
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 06:39 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Quote:
For the rest, here's your standard-issue horse, lance, and suit of armor. The windmills are that-a-way.


You haven't actually read Don Quixote, have you?


As the original is in Spanish, I can't say I've really read it.

"Tilting at windmills" is more of an English idiom, though, which alludes to attacking imaginary enemies. You see, the #BernieOrBust folks are lashing out at Clinton, but Clinton actually represents their interests better than Trump. If they do something out of spite, like vote for Trump, vote for a hopeless third-party candidate, or refuse to vote at all, then they're attacking Clinton (who isn't their enemy) and helping Trump (who represents everything they claim to hate). I can explain the metaphor in more detail, if you like.

Here's more on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills

Quote:
One way of interpreting Don Quixote's tilting at windmills could be as an allegory to promote critical, skeptical, or satirical evaluation of either a hero's motives, rationales and actions, or a nation's foreign policies.

In this case, the "hero" would be the #NeverHillary voter who is nevertheless a Democrat.
snood
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:00 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad, I am drafting the orders for you to receive the official A2K merit award for patience. You will be only the 2nd recipient in history of this high honor.
snood
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:18 am
I don't know about anyone else, but I am looking forward to seeing Obama and Warren going medieval on Trump's ass.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:19 am
@snood,
Kill 'em with kindness, I always say.

Max, bless his heart, sometimes needs things explained in excruciating detail.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:23 am
@snood,
I'm also looking forward to President Obama going all in to help the down ticket races. I don't recall the last three term limited presidents (Reagan, Clinton, G.W.Bush) doing this although it might have happened and I didn't notice. I think President Obama wants to tell the narrative of his time on his own terms and he is going to use the stump to do it. Should be very interesting.
sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:24 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

I don't know about anyone else, but I am looking forward to seeing Obama and Warren going medieval on Trump's ass.


Oh yes. Very Happy

Obama is obviously raring to go. He hasn't wanted to "put his thumb on the scale" until this was decided, but he misses campaigning just enough, likes Hillary enough (ooh throwback reference) and is sufficiently alarmed at the prospect of Trump that he's gonna go medieval alright. I think the only limitation is concerns about overshadowing Hillary.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:26 am
@engineer,
this

engineer wrote:

I'm also looking forward to President Obama going all in to help the down ticket races.


it's not that I don't care about the results of the American presidential race but what can really change things is downballot
sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:27 am
@ehBeth,
Agreed there too.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 11:18 am
@engineer,
The last three were not popular enough to help. Obama is and is itching to get going. After today he'll not have any more reason to hold back.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 11:25 am
I'm hoping that Trump gets it so often from so many directions that he doesn't even know who to level his juvenile responses at.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 12:03 pm
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

I'm actually a little worried that he's going so off the rails that someone more credible will still step in. I want him to be ridiculous enough to lose in a landslide but not so ridiculous that he doesn't even make it to the general election.


Contested convention talk is flaring up again:

https://politicalwire.com/2016/06/07/flake-suggests-convention-challenge-to-trump/

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Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) told the AP that the Republicans cannot win in November with Trump as the party’s standard-bearer.

Said Flake: “Let’s face it: meet the old Trump, just like the new Trump. We’ve got what we’ve got. That’s not somebody who can win the White House.”

He added: “Where there’s no talk of a convention challenge or anything else, this might spur it.”

Jonathan Bernstein: “All it would take to dump him in Cleveland would be a vote to free the delegates, followed by having at least half of the convention oppose him on the first ballot. Technically, they wouldn’t even have to have an alternate candidate.”
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 01:47 pm
@sozobe,
At the end of the day, Trump has a lot more Republican votes than anyone else. Overturning those voters would not be pretty.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 02:00 pm
@engineer,
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Trump has a lot more Republican votes than anyone else. Overturning those voters would not be pretty.


I have to disagree with you Engineer. It would be pretty.

Watching the GOP convention as the party establishment overturned the results of the primary would be f...ing beautiful.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 02:31 pm
Sanders supporters making death threats to NY Times reporter.

https://twitter.com/amychozick/status/740228091210006528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 02:38 pm
@engineer,
Three of them.... OMG!
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 04:57 pm
@sozobe,
I think it's too late for them to fix their Trump problem, they are going to have to live with it this election. The real question for me is where they go from here, what kind of party they want to be. They are going to be pulled in different directions from people who want the GOP to modernize (and start appealing to non-white voters) and the Tea Party/Trump types who appeal to folks who want the GOP to be more conservative.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 06:04 pm
I may dig my Obama tee shirt out. Not to wear in public as that is off course re serious matters right now, and I'm not that much of a political tee shirt or bumper sticker person in the first place - but I'm going to enjoy it on a hanger in my hallway. Not that he was perfect, but I usually got his reasoning, and at this point he represents political and personal sanity to me.

Reminds me of myself being a smidgeon fearful when I visited my Orange County CA cousins (one set liberal, one set Bircher then) and parked at a big grocery store, me with my volkswagen and McCarthy bumper sticker. In those times, that county was taken by many as a very conservative place. I think I worried my car might get egged.

Since then, I've protested re some political matters quite a few times, but mostly by actually talking to my state politicians, not via car stickers. I could do that, by circumstance, knew four people who had those jobs. Some friends still do the bumper sticker thing though.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 07:07 pm
@maxdancona,
Here's a few more for you

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/07/the-bernie-bros-are-out-in-full-force-harassing-female-reporters/?tid=pm_politics_pop_b
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2016 07:30 pm
@engineer,
Engineer,

I am sure you understand what selection bias is.
 

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