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EgyptAir Flight MS804 disappears from radar over the Mediterranean Sea

 
 
Reply Wed 18 May, 2016 10:04 pm
EgyptAir says flight from Paris to Cairo missing

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National carrier EgyptAir said a plane carrying 69 passengers and crew on a flight from Paris to Cairo had gone missing on Thursday, disappearing from radar over the Mediterranean Sea.

"An official source at EgyptAir stated that Flight MS804, which departed Paris at 23:09 (CEST), heading to Cairo has disappeared from radar," the airline said on its official Twitter account.

Later Tweets by EgyptAir said the plane, which was traveling at an altitude of 37,000 feet (11,280 meters), disappeared soon after entering Egyptian airspace. The aircraft was carrying 59 passengers and 10 crew.

According to flightradar24.com, the plane was an Airbus A320 and its last known position was above the Mediterranean Sea.
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2016 10:57 pm
Is that about the third plane to go down either over or coming from Egypt, recently?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2016 11:02 pm
@edgarblythe,
This plane came from Paris. On 29 March 2016, one was hijacked whilst on a flight from Alexandria to Cairo.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2016 11:05 pm
@edgarblythe,
Well there was at least the one that was taken down by an ISIS-planted bomb that was headed to Russia. Was done with help from an airport worker in Egypt. This one came from Charles de Gaulle Airport though, where the security is better.

Still, it just disappeared at 37,000 feet, which would be consistent with a bomb disintegrating most of the plane.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2016 11:27 pm
@Robert Gentel,
The flight was constantly at the height during the last recorded minutes (37.000 ft) and on the same course (136°) The speed, howerver, rose during the last recorded minutes from about 520 kn to 533 kn. (Source
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2016 11:30 pm
Yes, I googled. Two planes, not three.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 02:22 am
@edgarblythe,
Although the position will be accurately fixed in the nearer time, as reported today the plane has gone down in the deepest part of the Mediterranean Sea.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 02:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Everything so far points to sabotage as the obvious - but as we know that isn't always the case.
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 06:13 am
Heard on the radio this morning that the Greek air traffic control had the plane the entire time. I did a rapid decent while spinning, at one point doing a complete 360 on direction then a 90 the other.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 06:18 am
@engineer,
Radar plots are not milimeter accurate - apparent sharp movements could simply indicate sections of the aircraft being out of control during or following a very rapid break-up.

Any way, either the eye-witness reports of a fireball are true or there had been some sort of disturbance inside the cockpit involving passengers or crew or both.

Will take some time until all these speculations can be verified the one or other way.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 06:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Debris is found. May they rest in peace.

http://i68.tinypic.com/28rdtkw.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/ju78n8.jpg
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revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 07:59 am
EgyptAir missing plane MS804: Live updates
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 10:53 am
@edgarblythe,
Two down, but another was hijacked (landed safely and passengers released) so that might be the other one you were thinking about.
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 11:48 am
EgyptAir Flight 804: Wreckage found, airline official says
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 12:43 pm
@Robert Gentel,
My mind was probably trying to build a pattern, where there might not be one.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 02:04 pm
In my dance community, we're waiting to hear if a friend was on the flight. She was scheduled to be on it.

Another friend has a couple of tourist houses in Cairo. Business was already slowing. She can't take much more of a drop in tourist travel.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2016 03:45 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Article with updates (some already posted):
- plane didn't disappear at 37000, looks like defense radar (or some radar) has it making sharp turns and dropping to 10k before disappearing) so it didn't disintegrate at 37000 completely
- debris, including the lifejackets, is not from the plane, though initially thought so

More here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36333664
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2016 02:37 pm
Oddly, Hillary Clinton is using the opportunity to monger.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/280577-clinton-downed-egyptair-flight-appears-to-be-act-of-terrorism
Why would this come from her?
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2016 07:37 am
CNN says experts say a bomb would have not sent alert signals in two minute intervals, but rather it would have been instantaneous.

Images of wreckage released in EgyptAir probe
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2016 08:38 am
Investigators play down explosion theory in EgyptAir crash

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The head of Egypt's forensics authority dismissed a suggestion on Tuesday that the small size of the body parts retrieved since an EgyptAir plane crashed last week indicated there was an explosion on board.

Investigators struggling to work out why the Airbus 320 jet vanished from radar screens last Thursday, with 66 passengers and crew on board, are looking for clues in the human remains and debris recovered from the Mediterranean Sea so far.

The plane and its black box recorders, which could explain what brought down the Paris-Cairo flight as it entered Egyptian air space, have not been located.

An Egyptian forensic official said 23 bags of body parts have been collected since Sunday, the largest of them no bigger than the palm of a hand. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said their size suggested there had been an explosion although no trace of explosives had been detected.

But Hisham Abdelhamid, head of Egypt's forensics authority, said that assessment was "mere assumptions" and that it was too early to draw conclusions.

At least two other sources with direct knowledge of the investigation also said it would be premature to say what caused EgyptAir flight 804 to plunge into the sea.

French investigators say the plane sent a series of warnings indicating that smoke had been detected on board as well as other possible computer faults shortly before it disappeared.

The signals did not indicate what may have caused the smoke, and aviation experts have said that neither deliberate sabotage nor a technical fault could be ruled out.

Investigators rely on debris, bags and clothes as well as chemical analysis to detect the imprints of an explosion, according to people involved in two previous probes where deliberate blasts were involved.

An Egyptian team formed by the Civil Aviation Ministry is conducting the technical investigation and three officials from France’s BEA air accident investigation agency have also been in Cairo since Friday, with an expert from Airbus, to assist.

Egypt has deployed a robot submarine and France has sent a search ship to help hunt for the black boxes, but it is not clear whether either of them could detect signals emitted by the flight recorders, lying in waters possibly 3,000 meters deep.

The signal emitters have a battery life of just 30 days.


The rest at the source. Time is running out to find the emitters.
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