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I think you meant to say that's how it looks to you.

There are other of us outside the US and we don't necessarily view things the way you do.

What happens if Sanders wins New Jersey and California is Hillary still has the majority of the pledged delegates.

Currently Hillary has 1769 pledged delegates. Sanders has 1496. The total needed to have 50% plus one of the regular delegtes is 2026. That means Hillary only needs 257 delegates to have the majority. Sanders needs 530.

The simple math is that Sanders has to win 67.5% of the remaining regular delegates to have that majority. That means Hillary can lose every contest left by 55-45 and still have the majority of the delegates. This isn't about winning states. It is about winning delegates.

Is it possible that Sanders can win 68% of the remaining delegates? Yes, but the probability is probably less than 1 in a 5 million. You would be better off playing $1 on the lottery than betting Sanders will get the majority of the delegates.

1) He won't win in New Jersey. No chance.

2) If we wins California, then maybe he only loses by 250 delegates instead of 300.

3) Superdelegates won't change their vote to go to the loser of the democratic primary (unless something Trump-like were to happen). Winning California does not negate what has been going on for the last four months. Clinton is winning by a ton of delegates and votes.

Why do you think super delegates would switch? Let's see how this argument plays out.... I know that Hillary won the primary fair and square based on all the rules that the DNC has had in place for decades. Bernie won 1 big state though (that Hillary would also win in the general election). I know what I need to do. I should switch my vote and overturn the will of the voters because despite Hillary being the first woman candidate of either major political party, and despite her being a democrat for over 40 years, and despite all the many millions of dollars that she's raised for democratic candidates in city, state, and national elections, despite the decades of government and diplomatic experience she brings to the job and being the most qualified candidate for the job in decades, and despite the fact that she and I agree on just about every single major issue....I'm going to vote for that old white guy from Vermont (which Hillary will also win in the general election) because he has this intangible thing called 'momentum' which I guess means more than votes and delegates.

Yeah CJ, I just don't see that happening.

Trump is the "white" knight in shining armor for all the racist chumps whose souls have been boiling in rage because a black guy won not once, but twice.
These are the same people who still think Sarah Palin is a better candidate than any democrat.
These racist rubes feel that their God given white rights have been slowly chiseled away, and Trump convinces them that it is the colored peoples' fault.
These racist rubes do not have the balls to say anything out aloud. They are too lazy and fat to start a revolution. They are content shopping for 24 packs of toilet paper and oversized chips and dips at Costco or Walmart. They want Trump to do their work for them, and make this country a white paradise

All they know is they are the only 'muhricans. Global warming? A lie? How do they know that? because fox news said so. How do they know that Trump will be a good president? Because he is white and he builds great buildings

These rubes also think some of the stuff will somehow rub off on them. When they drooled over Sarah Palin and voted for her, they were hoping that maybe they will get a piece of that wasila cunny juice. Sarah looked pretty attractive 8 years ago,and these rubes (most of whom have fat, ugly wives or girlfriends) thought by voting for Sarah, maybe they will get a piece of that just by association. Well, sarah lost and she looks like a meth addict 8 years later - no longer attractive.

Same thing with Trump. These rubes think that somehow by associating with him, they may become millionairs, and who knows, maybe also get to marry an attractive eastern European supermodel. Trump is selling these rubes that dream

Well, guess what? fck them

I could be wrong, I know I am biased, but I think Sander's has lost a little bit of his luster for other than big bernieorbust voters these last few weeks. I am hoping Clinton cleans his clock in both NJ and California even though she doesn't need to and Sanders does.

There is another angle to the super delegates. These people have something that the rest of don't, access to the candidates. They can actually talk to them, discuss the issues, etc. There is a reason these people overwhelmingly support Clinton. It is the same reason that just about every one of Sanders' coworkers in the Senate support Clinton and a huge majority of Representatives and Governors do. In person, it is obvious who the better candidate is. Clinton knows the issues, has realistic plans, knows how to put together a coalition to make it happen. You aren't going to change that view by berating them or with questionable arguments that drift around from day to day.

Quote Calamity Jane:

Me thinks that you thinks correctly. If Sanders wins California and New Jersey, he will still fall short of the pledged, (elected), delegates. Normally, the superdelegates do not override the pledged, (elected), delegates. However, if Sanders does indeed pull off both California and New Jersey, he would have won an amazing percentage of the primaries and caucuses in the last six weeks or so. Given that Hillary was considered the odds-on favorite early on so she had as many democratic leaders trying to get onboard with her as quickly as possible, a strong case could be made that if Bernie was taken seriously as a candidate early on, he would have had a majority of those pledged, (elected), delegates. The superdelegates, who are party leaders, have to be thinking about that.

Moreover, the Republicans, who want Bernie as the nominee so they can tear him to pieces with his Socialist Workers Party membership and Trotskyite friends back when he was risking his life marching with Martin Luther King, have had their smear machine going full blast against Hillary. They are already screaming "indictment indictment" like it is some kind of sure thing, and have dredged up all the supposed scandals, real or imagined, of the Clinton past. The idea, besides trying to convince the general election voters to hate Hillary early on, is to convince the superdelegates that the breaking point with scandals has been reached already and if the indictment does happen, that's an automatic loss in November. A loss not to Bush, not to Romney, but to Trump. Given these considerations, if Bernie can win both California and New Jersey, that would mean that Hillary would be losing momentum already before the one-on-one election even begins.

I say this as a Clinton supporter: If Bernie wins both California and New Jersey the superdelegates are going to strongly consider abandoning Hillary and going for Bernie. You are right: In this year, anything is possible.

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Clinton will win be the presumptive nominee hours before California polls close. You can bet your house on it.

I realize that the numbers don't add up to make Sanders the candidate,
however, in the end all that counts is that the Democrats get into the White House. With Hillary as candidate - as accomplished as she is - I fear that she'll lose to Trump. Die-hard Sanders supporters won't vote for Hillary, period. Many Democrats don't like her - she talks a good game, always has, but has not delivered.

Her taking the utter public humiliation by her husband being a philanderer, had only one reason: power!!

She and Trump are both Alpha people, it sure will be a heck of a run and we'll see the dirtiest mud slinging between the two of them, but in the end I am not convinced that Hillary will win. Trump will roll out everything in his power to get ahead, we've seen what he's capable of - Hillary won't be able to overpower him.

I think the talk of Sander supporter not voting for Hillary has been overstated, either by the media and the way they phrase things or Sander supporter pundits.

For instance, look at the following:



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If they had said, "still 66% will vote for Hillary in a Trump/Hillary matchup" instead of "just." Sixty-six is more support from Sanders voters than most the media would suggest or various people on this website. Moreover, there may be more support for Hillary among republicans who can't find it in their hearts to vote for such unqualified joke for President to make up the 34% Hillary might loose of Sander's supporters. Stranger things have happened.

Well, the media has pretty much ignored Sanders for most of this primary,
I don't really give what they say. American media is extremely manipulative and this primary has shown it more prominently than any other time.

We even have threads here - I believe one is from joeofchicago, where he said he won't vote for Hillary. Joe is not a Republican!

Don't underestimate people. I personally will vote for any Democrat just to keep Republicans out, but I don't think Americans realize how much they're manipulated by its media.

Quote revellette's link:

If I read that correctly, only 9% of the voters in that poll support Sanders and 66% of those will support Hillary. Which means that only (34% X 9%) of the Democrats won't end up supporting Hillary, which comes to just 3% of the Democrats not supporting her. That's not that much.

Add to the fact that the Sanders campaign is still going and emotions are high. After this thing gets settled, most likely after the primaries next week, people calm down and the process of acceptance takes place. It takes a couple of weeks or so.

As revellette stated, the Sanders voters not ever voting for Hillary factor is overstated, and of course built up by the Republicans-note Trump calling for Sanders to go third party because he supposedly sympathizes with him, lol.

A couple of points. I have been here awhile. I am aware of joeofchicago's view and I know he is not a republican. He has stated he would not vote for anyone who voted for the Iraq war. Kind of leaves a narrow field if we are talking of those in Washington. I am aware Sander's voted against the Iraq war. I am also aware of the prevailing view among a lot Sander's supporters of the media favoritism of Hillary. I take it with a grain of salt. I don't dismiss the "people" (I am a person too), I just don't think we should overstate the scope and influence of the bernieorbust voters.

I hate that this attack is used against Clinton. There are many people who respond to the utter public humiliation of a cheating spouse by staying around and trying to make it work. Some do it for love, some for security, some for the family. I suppose some might do it for power, but that was an extremely personal choice Clinton made and I don't second guess her for it, not even a single exclamation point worth.

The primary word here is SECOND choice. The popular vote went for Hillary.

I think this is called a caucus.

I'll do almost anything to keep Trump out of the White House. I'll vote for the candidate that has the best chance to beat Trump in November.

The media wants to make it a horserace, because that's what sells advertising. People only read the articles if there's controversy.

There's really no controversy, though. Clinton's been in the lead the entire time. She's gotten the most votes, and the most delegates. There will be no miracle that gets Sanders the nomination.

She is also leading in popular votes.

Trump would use his power as president to take revenge on those who have displeased him. He's a scary guy; has no concept of how the power of the president should be used domestically or internationally.
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