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National Review Calls Bernie Sanders A Nazi

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 02:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
If someone give you the facts that you are wrong, you just repudiate them and/or the sources. Easy.

If they or their sources were in error, then they did not actually give me facts that I am wrong.

To put it another way, when someone says that I am wrong, but the facts show that I am completely correct, then I am completely correct.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 02:11 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The Zionists will never see peace as long as they deny the Palestinians' Right of Return.

The Palestinians' refusal to make peace means that Israel will get to keep most of the West Bank for themselves.

The Palestinian state will be composed only of a few isolated patches of land.

Good outcome.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 03:05 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
If someone give you the facts that you are wrong, you just repudiate them and/or the sources. Easy.
Take for instance the term "Nazi".
I admit that Nazi was a diminutive for the first name 'Ignaz' in some parts of Germany and Austria.
But when it became popular in German language from the early 1920's onwards, it definitely meant "someone, who is a member of the NSDAP". (As opposed to 'Sozi', who was/is a member of the SPD. [Or any other Socialist/Social-Democratic party.])

Can you give me a reason why these sources (from written documents to oral history) are in error?

oralloy wrote:
To put it another way, when someone says that I am wrong, but the facts show that I am completely correct, then I am completely correct.
So people who lived then and there are wrong? And the documents are false? (For instance those from the NSDAP, newspapers, etc)?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 06:35 am
Santa Klauss is a Nazi, and so is Mickey Mouse!
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 06:45 am
@Olivier5,
Another attempt at humor. How cute! Go back and practice, mes ami.

A clue, perhaps? Leave out any random Nazi references.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 07:36 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Keep your clues, you might need them.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 10:20 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Zionists will never see peace as long as they deny the Palestinians' Right of Return.

The Palestinians' refusal to make peace means that Israel will get to keep most of the West Bank for themselves.

The Palestinian state will be composed only of a few isolated patches of land.

Good outcome.


I fear that it will end much, much worse than that for both sides.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 03:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Take for instance the term "Nazi".
I admit that Nazi was a diminutive for the first name 'Ignaz' in some parts of Germany and Austria.
But when it became popular in German language from the early 1920's onwards, it definitely meant "someone, who is a member of the NSDAP". (As opposed to 'Sozi', who was/is a member of the SPD. [Or any other Socialist/Social-Democratic party.])

Can you give me a reason why these sources (from written documents to oral history) are in error?

As far as I know they are not in error.


Walter Hinteler wrote:
So people who lived then and there are wrong?

I guess anything is possible, but I've not noticed any errors in what you've quoted from them.

If I see something that I see is wrong, I tend to quote it and voice my objection to it. I don't think I've objected to anything you've posted in this thread.


Walter Hinteler wrote:
And the documents are false? (For instance those from the NSDAP, newspapers, etc)?

I'm not qualified to judge them, but I assume they are genuine.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 03:08 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
I fear that it will end much, much worse than that for both sides.

The Palestinians' ability to harm Israelis has been severely curtailed. I think Israel will be able to limit the Palestinians to only isolated areas of land and keep the vast majority of the West Bank for themselves.

Area C (60% of the West Bank) is already under direct Israeli control.

Area B (21.8% of the West Bank) is considered under Palestinian control, but that is enforced by Israeli soldiers. All Israel needs to do in order to grab Area B is order their soldiers to stop enforcing the will of the Palestinian government.

That means Israel can limit the Palestinian state to Area A (18.2% of the West Bank) without even firing a shot.

And Israel might even choose to take back parts of Area A.

I'm envisioning Area A becoming something like the Gaza Strip, with all the Palestinians crammed into small areas under perpetual blockade that get bombed every time the Palestinians launch attacks on Israel.

This map is slightly dated in that it still shows an Israeli presence in Gaza, but it does a good job of showing the different zones of the West Bank:

http://www.iris.org.il/images/oslo2000.gif
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 04:42 pm
@oralloy,
It won't be the Palestinians that harm Israel.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 04:55 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
It won't be the Palestinians that harm Israel.


Given their military power no one in the middle east have that power as it would take either the US or Russian to do so and both of those two countries would paid a price for doing so.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 05:11 pm
Yeah, right . . . they did a pretty good job of stepping on their own collective dick when they invaded the Lebanon in 2006. They suffered about 120 killed and more than 1200 wounded. More than 40 Israeli civilians were killed, and more than 1300 wounded. They had five tanks damaged beyond repair, and lost two Apache attack helicopters. They lost a transport helicopter and a Cobra helicopter. One of their ships was sunk. IDF soldiers told the international press (before the government muzzled them) that after the first day, they ran out of water and rations, and had to wait for more before they could continue. The IDF did not complete their mission.

As usual, and in more ways than that, the Zionists are their own worst enemies.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 06:22 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
It won't be the Palestinians that harm Israel.

It won't be anyone else either.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 5 May, 2016 06:23 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Yeah, right . . . they did a pretty good job of stepping on their own collective dick when they invaded the Lebanon in 2006. They suffered about 120 killed and more than 1200 wounded. More than 40 Israeli civilians were killed, and more than 1300 wounded. They had five tanks damaged beyond repair, and lost two Apache attack helicopters. They lost a transport helicopter and a Cobra helicopter. One of their ships was sunk.

Losses happen in war. This is normal. This would have been about five minutes worth of losses in WWII.


Setanta wrote:
IDF soldiers told the international press (before the government muzzled them) that after the first day, they ran out of water and rations, and had to wait for more before they could continue.

There did seem to be a few logistics hiccups. Nothing that impaired the war however.

As I recall, they didn't sit around and wait for Israeli supplies, but instead took supplies from Lebanese civilians.


Setanta wrote:
The IDF did not complete their mission.

Only if you define their mission unrealistically. They gave Lebanon a vigorous pounding, and Lebanon has not caused any trouble since.

I'm pretty satisfied with the pounding that Lebanon received. I'm unsure why you always seem so unhappy with the results of the war.


Setanta wrote:
As usual, and in more ways than that, the Zionists are their own worst enemies.

Israel will never face any negative repercussions over their defense against those who attack them.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2016 09:37 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
It won't be the Palestinians that harm Israel.

Given their military power no one in the middle east have that power as it would take either the US or Russian to do so and both of those two countries would paid a price for doing so.

Israel has atomic artillery shells to destroy any invading armies that they cannot defeat conventionally.

The only real way to destroy Israel would be with a full strategic nuclear attack (which would of course be answered with a full strategic nuclear attack from Israel).
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2016 07:39 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The Palestinians' refusal to make peace means that Israel will get to keep most of the West Bank for themselves.


Quote:
JERUSALEM — Israel’s military says it has struck Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip in response to rocket fire toward Israel.

The military says sirens wailed in southern Israel early Saturday warning of an incoming rocket. One landed in an open field, causing no injuries. The military says it retaliated against the territory’s Hamas rulers.

Gaza militants have fired mortar rounds at Israel over the past three days, prompting Israeli retaliation. Palestinian attacks intensified after Israel uncovered an attack tunnel Thursday beneath the border.

Hamas used tunnels to attack Israel during the 50-day Gaza war in 2014 and fired thousands of rockets. The recent exchanges of fire are among the most serious since the war ended.

Copyright 2016 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2016 08:11 am
Here's someone who should know:

Quote:
Israeli general slammed for implying Israel - Nazi Germany similarities

5 May, 2016

An IDF general has come under fire after his remarks suggested a parallel between Nazi Germany and present day Israel in his Holocaust Remembrance speech. The controversial comments fueled heated discussion among politicians and on social media.

“It's scary to see horrifying developments that took place in Europe begin to unfold here,” Israel Defense Forces Major General Yair Golan said, addressing an audience at Tel Yitzhak in central Israel.

On Wednesday, Israel along with Jewish communities around the globe marked Holocaust Remembrance Day.

The general added that “the Holocaust should bring us to ponder our public lives and, furthermore, it must lead anyone who is capable of taking public responsibility to do so.”

“Because if there is one thing that is scary in remembering the Holocaust, it is noticing horrific processes which developed in Europe – particularly in Germany – 70, 80, and 90 years ago, and finding remnants of that here among us in the year 2016.”

Golan called “to uproot the first signs of intolerance, violence, and self-destruction that arise on the path to moral degradation.”

“There is nothing easier and simpler than fear-mongering and threatening. There is nothing easier and simpler than in behaving like beasts, becoming morally corrupt and sanctimonious.”

The general also commented on the recent case of Elor Azaria, an IDF soldier who was indicted for manslaughter for fatally shooting a Palestinian attacker who had already been wounded and immobilized, in the West Bank in March.

“Improper use of weapons and violating the sanctity of arms have taken place since the IDF's founding,” he said.


https://www.rt.com/news/341940-israel-general-nazi-germany/
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2016 08:38 am
@Tes yeux noirs,
The Likud Party invited Austrian far-right leader Heinz-Christian Strache to Israel last month. On Holocaust Remembrance Day, President Reuven Rivlin said: "Sometimes I am shocked by what looks like the erosion of our national respect, by the peculiar linking up with the voices of falsehood among the extreme right in parts of Europe."
Rivlin added: "Different people are trying to create an alliance and ties with parties and groups of xenophobes and anti-Semites who apparently support the State of Israel. It is upon us, the generation that is close to the Holocaust, to be clear. No interest in the world will justify the disgraceful alliance with groups and people who will not recognize their responsibility for the crimes of the Holocaust, whose work is dedicated to its silencing, and whose vision seeks to commit them again against every foreigner, refugee or migrant that dares ‘to defile,’ in their opinion, their living space." (Source: )Haaretz

Strache definitely is an extreme right-wing politician with sympathies for neo-Nazis.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 11 May, 2016 02:16 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Tes yeux noirs wrote:
When it flagged he resorted to extended posts answering himself.

I still do update the thread when I think something noteworthy enough has happened.
Things should heat up again around 2020. Guede will be set free around then (his sentence having been shortened twice by the scumbag Kercher family's crazed efforts to send innocent people to prison and steal their money).

I nearly updated the thread tonight, but it ultimately wasn't worth it to document certain things that, while outrageous and enraging, are ultimately of little significance.
But in response those outrageous things, I'd like to note how cool it is that Guede's LIFE sentence got reduced to 30 years and then further to 16 years. The Kerchers don't deserve to have anyone punished for Meredith's unusually brutal rape and subsequent murder. It is quite pleasing to know that the day will soon come when Rudy Guede is free to enjoy the rest of his life while that vile Kercher family continues to stew in much-deserved misery.
Thanks much for the opportunity to vent. It felt good to write that.

It's hard to believe that there was anything left for me to learn about the case (unless someone ever manages to figure out the bomb threat), but I actually just learned something new about the case.

It's not too earthshattering -- nothing worth updating the main thread for. A piece of "evidence" that never pointed toward guilt to begin with has been identified as being yet another Italian fraud.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 11 May, 2016 03:55 am
@Tes yeux noirs,
Quote:
There is nothing easier and simpler than in behaving like beasts, becoming morally corrupt and sanctimonious.

Quote of the day...
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