National Review Calls Bernie Sanders A Nazi

@oralloy,

Whatever, Oralloy.

Your stance is shameful. I suspect that this is clear to everyone here (even Miller). I have made my point. You clearly are too stuck in your own dogma to see the problem with what you are saying.

Just for the record, I don't use the term "Nazi" to refer to anyone in the current political scene. Not even the people whose stances I detest. Using this term is obscene because it dishonors the people who died.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Whatever, Oralloy.

So facts don't matter?

maxdancona wrote:

Your stance is shameful.

I will never be ashamed of denouncing a Nazi. Nazis should always be denounced.

maxdancona wrote:

You clearly are too stuck in your own dogma to see the problem with what you are saying.

I certainly don't see any problem with denouncing a Nazi. Again, Nazis should always be denounced.

maxdancona wrote:

Just for the record, I don't use the term "Nazi" to refer to anyone in the current political scene. Not even the people whose stances I detest.

How about the people who actually are Nazis? Why do they get a pass?

maxdancona wrote:

Using this term is obscene because it dishonors the people who died.

The denunciation of Nazis does not in any way dishonor the victims of Nazis.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Just for the record, I don't use the term "Nazi" to refer to anyone in the current political scene. Not even the people whose stances I detest. Using this term is obscene because it dishonors the people who died.

That's the reason why those, who still follow Nazi-ideas, are called"neo-Nazis".

Nazi, btw, has been the nickname for a member/supporter/follower of the Nazi party NSDAP - as opposed to members/supporters/followers of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), who were (and are) called Sozis.

[National Socialism itself is older than the Nazi party: a classic example of the role of nationalism based on a socialist perspectives and framed in terms of moral necessity was framed by Moses Heß and Theodor Herzl in the 19th century.]

Since this name-calling really dishonours the victims and few survivors of the Nazi-period, calling someone a Nazi is the most strict hate crime in Israel's criminal law.

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@oralloy,

How many people did Sanders kill? How many people did he put in concentration camps? How many books pleading racial hatred did he publish? How many countries did he invade?

Sorry punk, words have meaning.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Since this name-calling really dishonours the victims and few survivors of the Nazi-period, calling someone a Nazi is the most strict hate crime in Israel's criminal law.

The denunciation of Nazis does not in any way dishonor the victims of Nazis.

I am skeptical that it is illegal in Israel to denounce a Nazi.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

How many books pleading racial hatred did he publish?

I don't know if Sanders has published his hatred in any books yet, but he is clearly spouting hatred in public. Books are likely forthcoming.

Olivier5 wrote:

Sorry punk, words have meaning.

Indeed they do. That is why I use them.

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@oralloy,

You use them improperly thus devalorise them, and yourself in the process. Sanders' family folks were wiped out in the Holocaust, for heavens' sake.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

I am skeptical that it is illegal in Israel to denounce a Nazi.

If your skeptical or not doesn't really matter regarding the public opinion in and the criminal code of Israel.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:
Sorry punk, words have meaning.

Indeed they do. That is why I use them.

But you give them a different meaning - whatever you think of whom: the NSDAP had been finished with Control Council Law No. 1 on the first of September 1945.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Why are we even arguing this. Oralloy is being ridiculous and obscene.

The Nazi's were

- Nationalistic
- Anti-Immigrant
- Militaristic
- Against diversity in society
- Anti-homosexual.
- Violently anti-Communist.

Oralloy's problem with Bernie is that he supports the peace movement in Israel. According to Oralloy... the Nazi's would have been in favor of the peace protesters.

Sure, there is a fringe group of people who actually support the rounding up of ethnic minorities. And sure... the term "Nazi" may be properly used to refer to these people.

But Oralloy's use of the word to refer to a someone who isn't Nationalistic, or Anti-Immigrant or in favor of rounding up ethnic minorities is obscene.

Why is anyone humoring him, even with an argument? I think everyone should stop responding to Oralloy, his argument doesn't even deserve a response. Since no one is supporting him anyway.

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@Walter Hinteler,

You always know these things, thanks. Very informative.

Bernie Sander's is the opposite of Nazi which in those times would have been Sozis, or more rightly, socialist as he calls himself. I think if people want the Sanders movement to grow, perhaps they need to own up like Bernie Sanders and call themselves Socialist. I always thought I might be an American socialist until this election cycle and realized I am pretty far from it. I am too moderate to be an American socialist. I wouldn't mind if the movement grew on its own to have influence on our laws to shift them to the left. I just wouldn't want to them in power. Too much too soon would not be a good thing. Imagine all once having no Insurance industry? All those people out of work, all the money disappearing from financial sector all at once? It would be chaos.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

You use them improperly thus devalorise them, and yourself in the process.

My use of the term is entirely proper. I clearly pointed out where Sanders was acting like a Nazi. I also offered to hear any factual challenge on that matter if anyone thought I was wrong.

There has been no such factual challenge of course, since the facts are so overwhelmingly on my side.

I find that taking a stand against Nazis makes me a better person actually.

Olivier5 wrote:

Sanders' family folks were wiped out in the Holocaust, for heavens' sake.

Self-Hating Jews are inexplicable.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

But you give them a different meaning - whatever you think of whom: the NSDAP had been finished with Control Council Law No. 1 on the first of September 1945.

No different meaning. Anyone who goes around making outrageous false accusations against Jews and calling on people to turn against those Jews, fits very well into the definition of a Nazi.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Why are we even arguing this.

Because I've pointed out facts that you find incredibly inconvenient, and that is driving you to post objections even though you don't logically have a leg to stand on.

maxdancona wrote:

Oralloy is being ridiculous and obscene.

No, I am pointing out truths that you don't want to hear.

maxdancona wrote:

Oralloy's problem with Bernie is that he supports the peace movement in Israel.

Come now. Let's be truthful. I have clearly articulated that my objection to Sanders is his outrageous false accusations against Israel and his calling on people to turn against Israel.

Making things up about my position does not make the facts go away.

maxdancona wrote:

According to Oralloy... the Nazi's would have been in favor of the peace protesters.

I've never said that. But.... Looking at the sort of people who protest against Israel I would not be at all surprised if Nazis found them to be kindred spirits.

maxdancona wrote:

But Oralloy's use of the word to refer to a someone who isn't Nationalistic, or Anti-Immigrant or in favor of rounding up ethnic minorities is obscene.

How about people who make horrendous false accusations about Jews and call on people to turn against those Jews?

maxdancona wrote:

Why is anyone humoring him, even with an argument?

Your discomfort with the facts is causing you to uselessly make empty objections to them.

maxdancona wrote:

I think everyone should stop responding to Oralloy, his argument doesn't even deserve a response.

You'd like that, wouldn't you, if all of those uncomfortable facts just went away?

maxdancona wrote:

Since no one is supporting him anyway.

While support is welcome, I actually do not require it. I am capable of disagreeing with limitless numbers of people all by myself. All I really need on my side is facts and reality.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Bernie Sander's is the opposite of Nazi

His outrageous false accusations against Israel and his call on people to turn against Israel say otherwise.

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@oralloy,

Quote:

His outrageous false accusations against Israel

But they aren't 'false' at all.

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@Tes yeux noirs,

Tes yeux noirs wrote:

But they aren't 'false' at all.

Wrong. His allegation of disproportionate attacks was entirely untrue.

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@Tes yeux noirs,

Quote:

But they aren't 'false' at all.

It's irrelevant whether they are false or not. Either way. Oralloy's charge is obscene. Oralloy would have you believe that Albert Einstein was a Nazi.

It is best not to argue with someone who has crossed the line of common decency. Just tell him he is being barbaric, and then be done with him.

You will never win with him.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

It's irrelevant whether they are false or not.

Wrong. The question of whether or not Sanders is making outrageous false accusations against Israel (and calling on others to turn against them) is entirely relevant to the question of whether or not he is a Nazi.

I know the facts on this particular issue are extremely inconvenient for you, but facts matter.

maxdancona wrote:

Either way. Oralloy's charge is obscene.

It is never obscene to denounce a Nazi. Nazis should always be denounced.

maxdancona wrote:

Oralloy would have you believe that Albert Einstein was a Nazi.

You're being silly.

maxdancona wrote:

It is best not to argue with someone who has crossed the line of common decency. Just tell him he is being barbaric, and then be done with him.

Run! Run for your lives! Oralloy has posted FACTS again! Run!

maxdancona wrote:

You will never win with him.

Well, not when all the facts are overwhelmingly on my side.

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@Walter Hinteler,

However killing pals of any sex and age is perfectly OK with Israel's governing elite. As long as their land owners.

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