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China Sanctions North Korea

 
 
Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2016 09:19 am
China restricts trade with North Korea over nukes

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The latest Chinese restrictions ban most imports of North Korean coal, iron ore, gold, titanium, vanadium and rare earths — a key revenue source for the mineral-rich North. The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency estimated North Korea's 2013 exports at $4.4 billion, with 65 percent of that going to China and the bulk of it made up of mineral sales.

China's Ministry of Commerce said some imports for civilian use will be allowed so long as they are not connected to nuclear or missile programs. It gave no indication of how large purchases covered by that exception might be.

The announcement also banned sales of jet fuel to North Korea but said aircraft would be allowed to refuel during flights to China.
 
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2016 09:31 am
@Robert Gentel,
That's a pretty significant hammer, I'm just not sure that the current N. Korean government is aware enough to see the writing on the wall. Kim Jong Un tends to shoot people who disagree with him with anti aircraft guns.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2016 09:34 am
@Robert Gentel,
That's a big step.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2016 09:54 am
@engineer,
Will be interesting to see how far the relationship between North Korea and China has frayed. As one of their only patrons in the world North Korea would collapse without their support.

If China is willing to go further it could go so far as to provoke regime change (which is why they will probably not).
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2016 10:02 am
is it the timing?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-warhead-rodong-missile.html?_r=0

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SEOUL, South Korea — South Korea has determined that North Korea is capable of mounting a nuclear warhead on its medium-range Rodong ballistic missile, which could reach all of the South and most of Japan, a senior government official said on Tuesday.

The government’s assessment, shared in a background briefing with representatives of foreign news media here, followed a recent claim by North Korea that it had “standardized” nuclear warheads small enough to be carried by ballistic missiles. Until Tuesday, South Korean government officials, like most of their American counterparts, had played down that claim.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/05/north-korea-releases-ultimatum-video-showing-attack-destroying-seoul
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2016 10:21 am
@ehBeth,
I think this was in the works since last year, the US and China have been meeting and talking about this for a while with China showing less daylight between the positions for a few months.

U.S. Prods China on North Korea, Saying Soft Approach Has Failed
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2016 11:10 am
@Robert Gentel,
China doesn't want instability which could send refugees over the border, but they likely want a rational government in N. Korea. I'm with you that they don't want regime change. They likely want the government there to feel enough pain that they reconsider, I'm just not certain that N. Korea works that way any more.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2016 11:42 am
@Robert Gentel,
Here is more on the build-up, the UN sanctions that just passed were something China failed to shield NK from and they responded by threatening China with a "nuclear storm".

http://theweek.com/speedreads/615988/north-korea-threatens-china-nuclear-storm
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2016 12:08 pm
@engineer,
I can't imagine how this will end (eventually) without regime change.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 3 Sep, 2017 06:18 am
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/03/asia/north-korea-nuclear-test-live-updates/index.html

Last night, a 5.6 event was recorded on a Richter. Turns out to have been a nuclear test of an H-Bomb. Breakfast is a little shaky in China and South Korea this morning.
cameronleon
 
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Reply Thu 7 Sep, 2017 09:16 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Quote:
Will be interesting to see how far the relationship between North Korea and China has frayed. As one of their only patrons in the world North Korea would collapse without their support.

If China is willing to go further it could go so far as to provoke regime change (which is why they will probably not).


China won't enforce much the sanctions.

China is happy having North Korea the way it is.

Actually, president Trump tried to convince China to become part of a possible international attack against North Korea. China rejected such proposal, and even responded that if North Korea attacks somebody, then China will stay neutral, But if anyone attacks North Korea, then China will fight on North Korea's side.

Just imagine. The US won't want any country having a war against Mexico, because such will carry the migration of millions of people to the US. Also, bombings close to the US borders is unacceptable.

China feels the same, China doesn't want any conflict close its borders.

President Trump tried with Philippines, and Philippines also rejected the proposal.

Actually, only Japan might welcome a war, because Japan knows that for sure South Korea will suffer a lot, and Japan could recover its first place as a manufacturer of goods, like cars, phones, etc.

War against North Korea lacks of support of its neighbors, and this is the difference when Iraq was invaded. The neighbors provided land for US airplanes and troops, and Iraq was attacked from all sides.

My opinion is that North Korea has attacked no one and because someone is a big mouth there is not reason to kill him.



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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2017 02:25 am
This is the most significant issue of our lifetimes. These events could easily lead to the US living under a permanent threat of nuclear attack by a madman, or could lead to a real nuclear war involving the US (which NK repeatedly says is its intention), or to a conventional war killing millions, or to the sale of nuclear bombs to terrorists. NK's nuclear program should never have been allowed to get this far.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2017 01:26 am
@Brandon9000,
N Korea wants talks and ultimately money. Trump could always offer to talk. Isn't he supposed to be able to make deals, or isn't that more fake news?

N Korea has long been a problem, but it was only when Trump got in that development continued at breakneck speed.

Since Trump was elected the whole world has to deal with the permanent threat of a nuclear attack by a madman, why should America be any different? You reap what you sow.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2017 04:13 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
...Since Trump was elected the whole world has to deal with the permanent threat of a nuclear attack by a madman, why should America be any different?...

Has Trump repeatedly threatened to attack other countries with nuclear weapons? Kim Jong-un has. Does Trump keep thousands in concentration camps and execute people for the most trivial offenses? Kim Jong-un does. This is the greatest threat of our lifetimes. I wouldn't be so glib about it.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2017 08:01 am
@Brandon9000,
Yes, fire and fury, or does that mean something else where you are?. Trump is substantially more deranged than Kim Jong Un, who is behaving quite rationally. Brutally, autocratically, some would even say savagely, but all commentators who know what they're talking about consider him quite rational.

Trump is an idiot who is out of his depth, which is why Kim Jong Un keeps yanking his chain quite effectively.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2017 08:35 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Yes, fire and fury, or does that mean something else where you are?. Trump is substantially more deranged than Kim Jong Un, who is behaving quite rationally. Brutally, autocratically, some would even say savagely, but all commentators who know what they're talking about consider him quite rational....

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North Korea threatened Thursday to use nuclear weapons to "sink" Japan and turn the United States into "ashes and darkness," in reaction to the new U.N. sanctions imposed over its nuclear and missile programs.

"The four islands of the archipelago should be sunken into the sea by the nuclear bomb of Juche. Japan is no longer needed to exist near us," said the Korea Asia-Pacific Peace Committee, which is North Korea's official propaganda arm.

North Korea repeatedly threatens to use its nuclear weapons. If they are allowed to perfect them, the world will pay a terrible price.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/09/14/north-korea-japan-no-longer-needed-exist-near-us/665002001/

This is a conflict which realistically could result in millions of deaths. It's serious.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 01:02 am
@Brandon9000,
North Korea has used overblown rhetoric for years, but has never actually used nuclear weapons, unlike America.

Quote:
This is a conflict which realistically could result in millions of deaths. It's serious.


Agreed, with an idiot in the Whitehouse this could easily get out of hand. Trump has mishandled this disastrously.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 02:33 am
This seems quite appropriate.

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A former Soviet military officer credited with averting a possible nuclear disaster at the peak of the Cold War has died at the age of 77.
Stanislav Petrov was on duty at a Russian nuclear early warning centre in 1983 when computers wrongly detected incoming missiles from the US.
He took the decision that they were a false alarm and did not report them to his superiors.
His actions, which came to light years later, possibly prevented nuclear war.
Petrov died at his home in Moscow in May but his death has only now been made public.
In an interview with the BBC in 2013, Petrov told how he had received computer readouts in the early hours of the morning of 26 September 1983 suggesting several US missiles had been launched.
"I had all the data [to suggest there was an ongoing missile attack]. If I had sent my report up the chain of command, nobody would have said a word against it," he said.
"All I had to do was to reach for the phone; to raise the direct line to our top commanders - but I couldn't move. I felt like I was sitting on a hot frying pan."
Although his training dictated he should contact the Soviet military immediately, Petrov instead called the duty officer at army headquarters and reported a system malfunction.
If he had been wrong, the first nuclear blasts would have happened minutes later.
"Twenty-three minutes later I realised that nothing had happened. If there had been a real strike, then I would already know about it. It was such a relief," he recalled.
A later investigation concluded that Soviet satellites had mistakenly identified sunlight reflecting on clouds as the engines of intercontinental ballistic missiles.
Petrov, who retired with the rank of lieutenant colonel, died on 19 May but news of his passing became widely known only this month, thanks to a chance phone call.
German film-maker Karl Schumacher, who first brought Petrov's story to an international audience, telephoned him to wish him a happy birthday on 7 September only to be informed by his son, Dmitry Petrov, that he had passed away.
Mr Schumacher announced the death online and it was eventually picked up by media outlets.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41314948
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cameronleon
 
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Reply Fri 22 Sep, 2017 08:07 am
STRATEGY

If any unprovoked attack is made by the US against North Korea, then some weapons might be used, weapons that are on hold to the masses eyes and their effects might be covered with other reasons.

The main danger is having North Korea sending a nuclear weapon to the upper atmosphere and make it explode.

This nuclear explosion should turn down the whole satellites and most cities and armies of the world will be practically in complete chaos due to lack of communication.

The strategy suggested by president Trump implies a massive attack to all facilities in North Korea.

But North Korea must be "blinded" first.

And, there is a weapon which is radiation released from the sky that causes the electricity cut off. Not only cars and portable radios but all kind of electricity. A weapon that has been tested 'secretly" (*) by the US in a Central America city and by the Russians as well.

(*)In one of those TV programs of "mysteries" in our planet, the electricity cut off in an entire city was performed. Several reports including from police record the incident. The affected citizens saw "lights on the sky" surveying the event. The "conclusion" was that UFOs caused the loss of electric power in that city. What the people saw were helicopters at great altitude that impede them to hear their machines.

The fanatic leaders of the Jack Van Empires, some months later, in one of his programs, also expressed the "alarm" that the Russians have a weapon using radioactivity capable of cutting off electricity from an entire city.

Making "blind" to North Korea's defense, a complete destruction of his facilities shall be a one and sole huge attack, a surprise attack. A massive attack with missiles should be one of the greatest achievements using precise technology as never ever used before. (of course, as usual, there will be lots of wrong targets due to bad aim, because the Western armies always, always fail in aiming and kill thousands of thousands of innocent people as "collateral damage")

As the entire world has been brainwashed already that North Korea is the bad guy, and the attack is only one, the rest of countries (including a majority of their populations) will concede and tolerate the attack.

China won't be able to retaliate because this will be a 24 hours act of war.

What is not under the western control, is the reaction of China and Russia, and other neighbors which will retaliate the attack anyway.

Today, the diplomatic contracts and shaking of hands are valid even when these consider an attack against North Korea.

But an attack of great effects against North Korea causing its destruction as a solid power in that area will have a counterattack, where countries supporting the US in that region will be under war guerrilla style, like ISIS in the Middle East.

Eventually a war of the East against the West will be the last result.


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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2017 02:34 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
North Korea has used overblown rhetoric for years, but has never actually used nuclear weapons, unlike America.

That's your argument - that they haven't used them yet? Could it possibly be relevant that they've never really had much means to deliver them until now?
 

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