First racist experience

@Real Music,

RM wrote,

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Someone who is prejudice against gays is not racist. Someone who is prejudice against catholics is not racist. Someone who is prejudice against women are not racist. Someone who is prejudice against disabled people are not racist.

Gee, sounds like Trump - except he is an avowed racist.

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@Real Music,

I detected you were black by how you spoke. The anger was apparent. I understand that! Now we are getting somewhere! A true discussion about race,and how we percieve it, and also how we parce it out. How we intrepret it, how we deal with it, how willing we are to be honest about it! Thank you Real Music for fianlly dealing with it! I started this thread to hear from people like you. To be honest, even if we dont like what we hear sometimes. I pray for an educated, civilized talk about this subject that, in my mind, is more important then any other. We cant continue with denial.

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@cicerone imposter,

I agree. Trump has shown himself to prejudice against every group of people you can think of. Yes, he has clearly demonstrated that he is a racist.

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@Lilkanyon,

We understand the racism in the US.

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Internment of Japanese Americans - Wikipedia, the free ...
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The internment of Japanese Americans in the United States was the forced relocation and incarceration during World War II of between 110,000 and 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry who lived on the Pacific coast in camps in the interior of the country. Sixty-two percent of the internees were United States citizens.
‎Executive Order 9066 - ‎Korematsu v. United States - ‎Manzanar - ‎Tule Lake

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@cicerone imposter,

Yes! Obvious discrimination! A scar on America...coulda been worse of course, but discrimination all the same. But the bright side? Well I cant speak for you, but as far as I know, future generations of Japanese are not wholesale recipients of racism. If I am wrong, please tell me.

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@Lilkanyon,

Actually, Japanese Americans have done very well in the US. Our income is above average. The opportunities afforded the citizens of this country is second to none. My older brother was an attorney, my younger brother and ophthalmologist (and politician: was mayor of Lodi, CA, was in the state legislature twice), and my sister an RN.

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@cicerone imposter,

Exactly! Its a "stereotype" of a past perceived "offense" lifted. Its the hope I think any immigrant or person of "different looks" wishes for themselves and I wish that for them.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

"An Asian is smart at math" talks about only one Asian in the example, so that may be true. That differs from "All Asians are smart at math," which is false.

You seem to have forgotten the standard epithet from WWII about Japanese (aka, Asians). Do you not remember the pejorative epithet, "sneakey Japs"?

I don't know about the west coast, but on the east coast ethnic Chinese seem to be the prevailing Asian one meets. Whether they relate well to Japanese at this point in time, I don't know. But I do think that old feelings die hard, or at least new feelings might be hard to learn. How many urban white Protestants have a "best friend" of a white Catholic, or vice versa? We are just tribal. The key is not to act out one's alienation. Cosmopolitan civility is the goal, I believe. The problem is that we all don't live in cosmopolitan venues.

By the way, when someone says they are third generation Americans (aka, "Yankee"), the criteria is that one was the third generation born in the U.S. The immigrant generation is excluded from the analysis.

I do believe that for all the lack of prejudice towards Asians in many venues today, they are marrying out in tremendous numbers, assimilation being the one preventive psssibly in the minds of many Asians, if real racism raises its ugly head in the future.

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@Foofie,

You don't have to tell me about the discrimination against us. I lived it.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You don't have to tell me about the discrimination against us. I lived it.

I don't have to, but pontificating is enjoyable.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You don't have to tell me about the discrimination against us. I lived it.

But why, in the years 1941-1945. were certain groups of Americans feared?

Then turn around, and ask why so many Muslims are feared and discriminated against today?

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@Miller,

And now look at Sweden, a Country that at one time was very socialist.Today, as reported in US papers, the Swedes are in the process of deporting 70,000-80,000 new arrivals from Syria and other countries.

When the Swedes were asked why these newly arrived migrants were to be deported, the Swedish Government replied that the migrants were involved in various criminal activities, most prominent being rape...

Recall, that Trump, who plans to build a wall between Mexico and the US, was asked why, the wall was necessary...he replied that one of the reasons had to do with the numerous rapes occurring once the illegals crossed over from Mexico to the US.

Folks can't complain about Trump on the one hand, and then say the Swedes are doing the right thing by deporting 70000-80oo0, of the newly arrived Syrians.

You might call this discrimination...if you didn't see the consequences of Syrian migration in Sweden.

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@Miller,

As usual you make some mistakes about Sweden
1. Sweden was never a socialist country. It was social democratic.
2. Sweden is not in process of deporting any Syrians
3. The migrants who will have to leave are from countries where there is no
danger for their lives.
And everything will be done for their safe and good return
4. Sweden took 165 000 migrants last year and about 50 % have no right to call
themselves refugees. That is why they have to return to their home countries
5. It is not at all because they are criminal or raping.

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@Miller,

What you call fear is outright discrimination not based on the facts. Many years later, the US government admitted their mistake, apologized, and gave us $20,000 to those still living. It was the failure of our leadership that led to the transfer of 110,000 Japanese Americans into concentration camps. That's outright racial discrimination. Most of us were American citizens by birth.

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@saab,

The amount will be about 200 a day it will start 2017.
So these which will deported have time to arrange for going back home or go under ground in Sweden and stay illegally.

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@saab,

saab wrote:

As usual you make some mistakes about Sweden
1. Sweden was never a socialist country. It was social democratic.
2. Sweden is not in process of deporting any Syrians
3. The migrants who will have to leave are from countries where there is no
danger for their lives.
And everything will be done for their safe and good return
4. Sweden took 165 000 migrants last year and about 50 % have no right to call
themselves refugees. That is why they have to return to their home countries
5. It is not at all because they are criminal or raping.

In the 1600's Sweden was sort of less peaceful, and in attacking Poland effected enough rapes to leave Poles with an image of being blond. It is called The Deluge in their history. My point is that Swedes were not always angels. So, when they decide to be a peaceful people they now act with umbrage when others come to Sweden and might not know how to act at a Queen's Tea? Perhaps, it would be more intellectually honest to admit their reluctance to be good hosts to the refugees is based on not wanting to share their country with others, now that they have decided to be peaceful Swedes. Or, could the refugees be Sweden's divine penance? In fact, are the refugees divine penance for other countries too?

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@cicerone imposter,

Thats why Trump scares me. Is he going to start rounding up all Muslims and throwing them into camps until "muslim extremism" is irradicated? Just his fear speech sets off white supremisist idiots. And fear of the unknown, aka, Obama the "black president" has caused fools to shoot up Sieks! A very religious form of Hinduism, cuz those idiots cant tell the difference. Ignorance and a complete undesire to get to understand people, creates hate and fear.

Christians had control of Jeruselem for 200 years. In that time, many people were born christian there, it became a city of tolerance for the muslim populations. A city of peace where all pilgrims were accepted, christian, jewish, and muslim. The people born and raised there had respect for the muslim populations, even the king. Saladin did not bother Jeruselem, as long as the muslim population was left unmolested. Then the king died. His sister married and made king, a brute of a man. Then new crusaders from Europe came. They had no tolerance or understanding of the people. They started slaughtering caravans and harrassing the natives. Well, we know what happened.
Because of the bigotry, hate, and lack of desire to understand a people, war happened, and many innocent people were killed. Christians lost Jereselum. Im not saying that would not have happened eventually anyway, but the intolerance of difference made it happen sooner.
Understanding peoples differences have never hurt anyone. Rejecting difference and disrespecting it always has a bad ending.

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@Foofie,

I cannot see that what was done in the 1600 has anything to do what is done today.
Your opinon is stupid.
Sweden has up to very receently taken more refugees than any other European
country. There is hardly space for more.
The majority know how to behave. The ones that have to leave are the ones that are in no danger in their country. People who have come because they think that will get lots of money hanging around in Sweden.
It has nothing to do with real refugees and people who need help.
Not only is your knowledge about history in the 1600 limited but also what is going on now.

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@saab,

saab wrote:

I cannot see that what was done in the 1600 has anything to do what is done today.
Your opinon is stupid.
Sweden has up to very receently taken more refugees than any other European
country. There is hardly space for more.
The majority know how to behave. The ones that have to leave are the ones that are in no danger in their country. People who have come because they think that will get lots of money hanging around in Sweden.
It has nothing to do with real refugees and people who need help.
Not only is your knowledge about history in the 1600 limited but also what is going on now.

Perhaps, "refugees" is the wrong moniker for these migrants. Let's just question whether they should be allowed to find a better life in the same place that those wandering pagan tribes found a better life in the early middle ages and then called themselves French, Anglo-Saxons, etc.? Or, by virtue of being Scandanavians do they have a "purer" pedigree (read sarcastic) that allows them not to share their country with others that don't have a "valid" reason for arriving? The whole refugee question is just so telling how many Europeans have not outgrown the "insider" and "outsider" mentality that made the Holocaust of WWII possible, in my opinion. America's success and wealth is based on official inclusiveness, not exclusiveness. Europe has not gotten over its exclusive clubby mentality, in my opinion.

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@saab,

Well, if you believe learning from the past is stupid, we are doomed to repeat it. What is the saying? The definition of insanity. Repeating things over and over again hoping for a different result. Please Saab, believe that whatever you believe is original, and never been tried before and you think that will work without researching if it has been done before, and if it did actually work, then come talk to me. Because The Art of War, written long before our time, has never been read by the most brilliant of military strategists. Or Rommel, one of the greatest tank strategists of his day, is not studied by our modern military. Keep on believing the past has no value, and I will call you a fool.

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