Miller
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2016 09:56 pm
@saab,
saab wrote:


That is the end of " best person gets the job"



That really depends on how you define the word "best". Anyone, who's ever taught at the College level or in a professional school, such as a medical school knows that all too often the student with a straight A average isn't going to be the "best" physician. Often, the student who is a B+, but who is more compassionate, caring, AND has a greater degree of empathy will turn out to be the better physician.

Also, recall, that medicine is an art, as much as it is a science.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2016 10:01 pm
@Miller,
I live in Silicon Valley, and use Kaiser Hospital in Santa Clara - just one block away from where we live. There are doctors, RN's, and technicians from many races and cultures. My personal physician is from India. Many were trained at Stanford and UC San Francisco. We are fortunate to have some of the best in the country at our hospital.
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saab
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2016 03:15 am
@Miller,
In every walk of life grades on paper does not always fit reality of life.
It is not just within medicin.
Political correctness can go too far.
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Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2016 01:10 pm
Powerful read guys! Thank you.
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Rmaha
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2016 02:28 pm
Hey!
Just thought I might share an outsider's story on this topic too!
I'm an Indian, and I spent my middle school years in India. There isn't much racism there, although some of the darker people (usually from the south) are often teased, but its all in good faith. I say this as I came from a well-educated middle class family, went to a good school in the capital, and had a decent amount of friends.
Now, I am currently living in the UK, as I came here for high school, and I must say, I am certainly surprised by the amount of racism prevalent in the society today. When I first joined, I was called the 'curry-man' of the class,asked if I had to defecate in holes in the ground and then eat in it, asked as to how begging felt like, and other more hurtful things that I choose not to state. Initially, I was more surprised than offended, as I had no idea this is the British thought of other countries! I then tried giving them comebacks, or should I say, 'defending my country'. I realised this was very ineffective, as it just agitated them more.
Bear in mind that most of these jokes were made by white teenagers.
I then took a different approach to the situation, and one that I would highly recommend to anyone facing similar issues.
Humour.
If you can make a joke out of something that hurts you, it instantly defuses the tension, while simultaneously helping both parties. For example, I never fought back. I stood and took their insults and then cussed them out behind their backs. I was thus easy to pick on. They could say whatever they wanted to me and then get away with it. But then one day, I stood up, and made a joke out of it.
One day, I was late to class, and this kid said, 'What took you so long?' (Not that any of us were particularly missing each other), and I replied with a smile, 'Sorry, my elephant just wasn't walking fast enough today.'
This way, I effectively put him down, without stooping myself. Now face it, everyone is going to pick on the lame kid who can't stand up for himself, but nobody's going to pick on the lame kid who's funny, because thats just mean. And I am happy to inform you, these remarks are nonexistent now, and I have made some great friends.
Another thing I'd like you to bear in mind is that not all the people I met were racist. Some were nice to me. Not a single black person bothered me. Among the Asian populace, they didn't mind either, except I had a 'special place' among the Pakistanis.
All in all, I hope not all Brits are like this, and I'd like to let people know, that racism is purely a superficial matter created by people who don't have enough melanin in their skin. Wink
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2016 02:42 pm
@Rmaha,
Racism comes from their own insecurity. They use it to belittle others, to make themselves feel superior. It's stupid and childish.
Good to hear you were able to defuse it with humor.
As a Japanese American born in 1935, and reared in the US, I understand racism all too well.
I was told by caucasians to return to my own country when I was a child. I'm third generation American. Where was I supposed to go?
During WWII, the 442 Infantry made up of Japanese Americans were the most decorated unit of any war the US was involved in. Even then, we still had racism against us.

Many are still ignorant, and racism still abounds in the US mostly against blacks.

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Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2016 02:49 pm
@Rmaha,
Rmaha wrote:

Hey!
Just thought I might share an outsider's story on this topic too!
I'm an Indian, and I spent my middle school years in India. There isn't much racism there, although some of the darker people (usually from the south) are often teased, but its all in good faith. I say this as I came from a well-educated middle class family, went to a good school in the capital, and had a decent amount of friends.
Now, I am currently living in the UK, as I came here for high school, and I must say, I am certainly surprised by the amount of racism prevalent in the society today. When I first joined, I was called the 'curry-man' of the class,asked if I had to defecate in holes in the ground and then eat in it, asked as to how begging felt like, and other more hurtful things that I choose not to state. Initially, I was more surprised than offended, as I had no idea this is the British t

hought of other countries! I then tried giving them comebacks, or should I say, 'defending my country'. I realised this was very ineffective, as it just agitated them more.
Bear in mind that most of these jokes were made by white teenagers.
I then took a different approach to the situation, and one that I would highly recommend to anyone facing similar issues.


Humour.
If you can make a joke out of something that hurts you, it instantly defuses the tension, while simultaneously helping both parties. For example, I never fought back. I stood and took their insults and then cussed them out behind their backs. I was thus easy to pick on. They could say whatever they wanted to me and then get away with it. But then one day, I stood up, and made a joke out of it.



One day, I was late to class, and this kid said, 'What took you so long?' (Not that any of us were particularly missing each other), and I replied with a smile, 'Sorry, my elephant just wasn't walking fast enough today.'
This way, I effectively put him down, without stooping myself. Now face it, everyone is going to pick on the lame kid who can't stand


up for himself, but nobody's going to pick on the lame kid who's funny, because thats just mean. And I am happy to inform you, these remarks are nonexistent now, and I have made some great friends.
Another thing I'd like you to bear in mind is that not all the people I met were racist. Some were nice to me. Not a single black person bothered me. Among the Asian populace, they didn't mind either, except I had a 'special
place' among the Pakistanis.

All in all, I hope not all Brits are like this, and I'd like to let people know, that racism is purely a superficial matter created by people who don't have enough melanin in their skin. Wink


Wow! As an American, we have less experience with 'Indians' as the Brits do. That may stem from their colonial days. Sounds as evil as how we have spoken of the blacks here in the past. Here in the US, there are two trains of thought about Indians. They steal our CS jobs (which we hate anyway) or they own every convience store in town! Lol!
But I was more curious how you say there is no racism...isnt there a caste system in India? Thats not 'racism' persay on a skin color level, but on a deeper, cultural level, isnt it?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2016 02:55 pm
@Lilkanyon,
True; there is a caste system in India. However, when I visited India some years ago (more than two decades ago), I remember reading a newspaper with matching service where the men claimed any potential wife could be from another caste.
Another observation: Many scientists and engineers here in Silicon Valley are Asian Indians. Many have started high tech companies.
My physician is from India.
Lilkanyon
 
  0  
Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2016 03:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Indians coming to the US doesnt count in reality. The US is a sea of weirdisms (can I coin that term? Lol).
Lilkanyon
 
  0  
Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2016 03:25 pm
I am more distrubed by the recent issues with NC and MS and TN to come over discrimmination laws.
ossobuco
 
  1  
Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2016 03:52 pm
@Rmaha,
Welcome to a2k, Rmaha.

That's a wonderful post. As you are in school, I presume you will be busy, but please post more when you get a chance.

I'm not from England but I know quite sane people from there and am aware of nasties as well.

I'm from the U.S., a Californian living in New Mexico, and have to say, the U.S. has a lot of prejudice flying around regarding 'others'. Seems to me it is less in big cities, despite gang warfare, but that is just from my observations.
Xenophobia is quite a human trait, I gather.
Lilkanyon
 
  1  
Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2016 04:06 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Welcome to a2k, Rmaha.

That's a wonderful post. As you are in school, I presume you will be busy, but please post more when you get a chance.

I'm not from England but I know quite sane people from there and am aware of nasties as well.

I'm from the U.S., a Californian living in New Mexico, and have to say, the U.S. has a lot of prejudice flying around regarding 'others'. Seems to me it is less in big cities, despite gang warfare, but that is just from my observations.
Xenophobia is quite a human trait, I gather.


True that obb, but what shes heard in the UK is not typical here, far as I know anyway. I believe that is due to old views of colonialism that the UK remembers. Its a form of old racism UK people understand. If I was to speak of how some old people speak of blacks here, the UK likely would understand that. In time, we all hope those old stereotypes will filter off, like contaminated water. It takes time, and patience...and we hope our kids are not contaminated by it...but some are. We do our best to purge the poison, but cant always remedy the condition. We just hope it does not manifest into violence or a tumor that infects others.
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saab
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2016 12:09 am
@cicerone imposter,
The caster system has been forbidden since around 1950 and it still is there and is difficult ot get rid of - especially in the countryside. A lot is done to improve the situration.
As everywhere else it is not easy for the poor and uneducated to rise up and go to school and study. It is not lack of intellegence - it is lack of money and knowledge about the oppotunities.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2016 01:08 am
@Lilkanyon,
Lilkanyon wrote:

I am more distrubed by the recent issues with NC and MS and TN to come over discrimmination laws.


If a male, dressed as a woman ( cross-dresser; transgender...etc) enters a public bathroom, and you're standing there ( as a woman) waiting your turn, how would you react?

I'd beat the hell out of there...That's what I'd do!
Miller
 
  2  
Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2016 01:17 am
@Lilkanyon,
Quote:
racism is purely a superficial matter created by people who don't have enough melanin in their skin.


What you've just said is total nonsense.
saab
 
  2  
Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2016 06:12 am
@Miller,
Correct.
Jews have had an extreem knowledge of racist experience and there are Jews with blue eyes and blond.
Gypsies or as we call them now Romas look like most Eastern and Southern Europeans and they certainly are discriminated.
People with titles get better treated than people without.
There is a deep need it seems like in us human beings to have someone who is below us and whom we can step on.
Another colour makes it easy.
By being critical to a certain person or group we can somehow show we are better than the other(s).

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2016 01:56 pm
@saab,
Ain't that the truth! We Japanese Americans experienced it before, during, and after WWII. Today, most of our children married outside of our race/culture. Japanese used to be the second largest Asians in the US after the Chinese. Now, we are one of the smallest Asian group.
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Lilkanyon
 
  1  
Reply Fri 6 May, 2016 05:16 pm
@Miller,
You are right Miller, racism is not completely dependent on the amount of melanin in a persons skin, it is also dependant on a grade school philosophy of, "if they look different, they are not to be trusted." So the definition has expanded. Now...any man in a Turban is Muslim extremist, any black man in baggy jeans is a gang member, any man with a shaved head (including my husband) is a skinhead. Any woman in a head scarf is an Isis sympathizer and devoid of free thought. I am really tired of people being judged on their looks and it is destroying the freedoms we worked so hard to earn.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Fri 6 May, 2016 06:47 pm
@Lilkanyon,
Look at what happened in Northern Ireland based on religion. I visited there several years ago on tour, and some of the walls and graffiti were still there.
Lilkanyon
 
  1  
Reply Fri 6 May, 2016 07:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Protestants and catholics still have open animosity towards each other. Thats no secret. Yet we cant understand the sunni/shii conflicts?
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