Which Religion is the One True Religion?

You guys play Texas Holdem?

Frank, These people will never wake up from their stupor; their brains have been forever altered. No matter what doctors and scientists say about an embryo, they continue to insist they are babies. It's hopeless.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Frank, These people will never wake up from their stupor; their brains have been forever altered. No matter what doctors and scientists say about an embryo, they continue to insist they are babies. It's hopeless.

Homer says: We should listen to the doctors and scientists because they use big words. They went to school. DOH!

Come to think of it, that's why the masses listen to the priests.

Maybe we should think for ourselves.

A tumor has no potential for independent human life. A zygote does.

If you terminate a zygote, you terminate a potential human life.

The gulf between a tumor and a zygote is unfathomable.

I think all embryos and zygotes should be given enough time to make the decision for themselves. How about 18 years or so?

That would be a real commitment to pro choice.

Now that you have had plenty of time to think about it, Frank, how do you feel about having been a zygote?

That's zyGOTE not GOAT. I've seen your avatar.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Frank, These people will never wake up from their stupor; their brains have been forever altered. No matter what doctors and scientists say about an embryo, they continue to insist they are babies. It's hopeless.

Homer says: We should listen to the doctors and scientists because they use big words. They went to school. DOH!

Come to think of it, that's why the masses listen to the priests.

Maybe we should think for ourselves.

A tumor has no potential for independent human life. A zygote does.

If you terminate a zygote, you terminate a potential human life.

The gulf between a tumor and a zygote is unfathomable.

timberlandko wrote:

real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

As far as I know...Planned Parenthood does not have a vested dollar interest in keeping abortions legal and profitable.

Give it a rest, Frank. You are not that naive and neither is anyone else here.

Substantiate your assertion, real life; what vested financial interest does Planned Parenthood (an organization of which I am not particularly fond, BTW) have in "keepng abortions legal and profitable?" Actually, verifiably, have - I'm not interested in anecdotes and claims here; produce SEC and IRS filings.

Does PP give FREE abortions Timber? No.

You are not ignorant of this.

timberlandko wrote:

real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

I'm not sure of your point here.

Yes I know. That is why you need to rethink this, Frank.

I have no reason to doubt Frank has thought and rethought the issue quite dilligently. Were there the slightest reason to harbor any suspicion whatsoever you've given the issue any rational thought whatsoever, I would suggest you rethink things. Not caring to issue a pointless challenge, I will not offer any such suggestion.

Hasn't stopped you before. Why should now be different?

If you have no reason to doubt that Frank has thought this thru, then perhaps you should read his post.

<timbersnip of a buncha irrelevant stuff>

Don't bother trying that torturous twist of logic. Even PP doesn't try to get away with it. Don't try this at home, folks.

You wanna compare looks, Neo....I'm game!

I think all embryos and zygotes should be given enough time to make the decision for themselves. How about 18 years or so?

You folks wanna do ugly, I'm in. Figure I've got a helluva hand in that game

Hell, I got all of you combined beat. LOL

neo, Even the most jaded understand when they're beat.

RexRed wrote:

Lu 23:29
For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death." Deuteronomy 22:18ff

real life wrote:

timberlandko wrote:

real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

As far as I know...Planned Parenthood does not have a vested dollar interest in keeping abortions legal and profitable.

Give it a rest, Frank. You are not that naive and neither is anyone else here.

Substantiate your assertion, real life; what vested financial interest does Planned Parenthood (an organization of which I am not particularly fond, BTW) have in "keepng abortions legal and profitable?" Actually, verifiably, have - I'm not interested in anecdotes and claims here; produce SEC and IRS filings.

Does PP give FREE abortions Timber? No.

You are not ignorant of this.

Whutinhell does what PP provides, free or otherwise, have to do with my challenge to you? I am not ignorant of the fact you have not addressed my specific request, which, to re-itterate, is what evidence demonstrating a vested financial interest can you produce? You have produced none. You spin, you opine, you preach, you parrot, you proselytize, you pontificate, you prevaricate, you obfuscate, you assiduously avoid meeting the specific challenge.

real life wrote:

timberlandko wrote:

real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

I'm not sure of your point here.

Yes I know. That is why you need to rethink this, Frank.

I have no reason to doubt Frank has thought and rethought the issue quite dilligently. Were there the slightest reason to harbor any suspicion whatsoever you've given the issue any rational thought whatsoever, I would suggest you rethink things. Not caring to issue a pointless challenge, I will not offer any such suggestion.

Hasn't stopped you before. Why should now be different?

If you have no reason to doubt that Frank has thought this thru, then perhaps you should read his post.

<timbersnip of a buncha irrelevant stuff>

Don't bother trying that torturous twist of logic. Even PP doesn't try to get away with it. Don't try this at home, folks.

I submit you are the one twisting things here - directly respond to my challenge. What vested PP financial interest in keeping abortion legal and profitable can be shown?

Frank Apisa wrote:

neologist wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

If it is such a big thing among Christians....why did Jesus never so much as mention it?

Jesus never mentioned the H-bomb, either. Or for that matter:
Cigarettes,
Crack cocaine,
Machine guns,
Etc., ad nauseum

And your point was?

There were no H-bombs or cigarettes, crack cocaine, machine guns etc.

But there was abortion.

It is, after all, the second old profession....occasioned by the oldest.

Hippocrates, who lived in the same area as Jesus...and who lived only a short time before him....considered abortion to be objectionable....and included a prohibition against it in his Hippocratic Oath.

My point was....WHY DIDN'T JESUS MENTION IT??????

Jesus quoted the Ten Commandments. Among them is Thou shalt not kill, which He quoted.

How more specific do you want Him to get? Must He list all the possible means of killing,( Jesus to the crowd-- "let's see .....the spear, the sword, the knife, pushing off a cliff, running over with a chariot, poisoning, abortion, strangling, drowning......thou shalt not do any of these !" ) Do you really think Jesus has to spell it out for you, Frank? C'mon.