Which Religion is the One True Religion?

I've been to NJ - never lived there, though. No criticism of Frank or othe NJphiles, but I wouldn't want to; way to many buildings, way too much pavement to suit my taste - but that's just me. I will say I have visited freinds who have a farm in rural NJ (yes, there is still some rural NJ if you look for it), and it was pretty nice - except for the bordering freeway, the Amtrack-Conrail line, and the airport approach path overhead. It was almost like being in the country.

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I make a serious post and am either ignored or rebuked. I make a stupid post and start a 2 page discussion.

I'm beginning to think I ought not to take myself too seriously.

Me'n Joe are gonna have to think this one out. . . er, drink this one out.

Oh, dammit all anyway! Drunk

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Well I've never been to Spain, but I kinda like the music.

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When the founding fathers separated church and state and mentioned the word "God". What do you all think they thought God was?

Was it God or a Goddess or was God both? Did the word God also provide for the right to non religion?

What is God to each of you? What did God mean to the founding fathers... Did they ever try to define what God was? Is that the whole thing that the state is not supposed to define God? Is this definition left up to the masses?

Try and be exhaustive in your answer then I will comment again.

What is God?

Frank, you can even take a wild guess if you like... No not the Easter bunny... Smile

A Note:
I would like to thank Martin Luther for the inspiration for my song "Chained Angels" he did not give me the title (I made that) but he gave me the idea of the inner struggle... I was raised a Luthern and then went non-denominational.

Martin Luther was a very torn soul... yet he is the backbone of the new dynamic church.

Quote from this website:

More so than the other heretics of the Christian faith, Martin Luther changed not only the church, he altered the state. The economic and social energies unleashed by the Reformation heralded the end of feudalism, the triumph of capitalism, the resurgence of education, and eventually the swelling tide of democracy.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/luther1.htm

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I have entered into the first sphere of the kabala... I have learned to dream... I am in my physical state and I am searching for the branch to my key of life. I come into this with great knowledge of the spirit and I am willing to let you know what I learn...

The first thing I perceive is that I am too merciful... but I am lost in a physical maze of realities appearing in front of my own abyss.

Mercy is the first card....

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RexRed wrote:

I have entered into the first sphere of the kabala... I have learned to dream... I am in my physical state and I am searching for the branch to my key of life. I come into this with great knowledge of the spirit and I am willing to let you know what I learn...

The first thing I perceive is that I am too merciful... but I am lost in a physical maze of realities appearing in front of my own abyss.

Mercy is the first card....

You and xingu ought to check out Eckankar.
You go.
Report back.
I'll stay here.

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neologist wrote:

RexRed wrote:
I have entered into the first sphere of the kabala... I have learned to dream... I am in my physical state and I am searching for the branch to my key of life. I come into this with great knowledge of the spirit and I am willing to let you know what I learn...

The first thing I perceive is that I am too merciful... but I am lost in a physical maze of realities appearing in front of my own abyss.

Mercy is the first card....
You and xingu ought to check out Eckankar.
You go.
Report back.
I'll stay here.

Eckankar

thx for the site, still dreaming...

anyone can dream with me and meet in this dream...

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Silence precedes music.

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It is difficult to teach the mind to differentiate between dreams, visions, meditation, prayer and sleep... Smile

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what is this thread about anyways...

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RexRed wrote:

When the founding fathers separated church and state and mentioned the word "God". What do you all think they thought God was?

Maybe they were smart enough to understand that they didn't know anything about 'god', just like you don't.

You obvoiusly feel that they were referring to your christian god. Could you tell me which demonation they were referring too? They didn't mention Jesus, so maybe they were referring to the Jewish god.

How do you know?

Do you think that it's impossible to believe in god without being a christian?

Is it possible to believe in a god that is not omnipotent?

Is it possible that god is really an advanced alien?

You are obviously claiming that you know something that is indeed unknowable, does that make you omnipotent?

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Ray wrote:

what is this thread about anyways...

Well, we were having some goldurned good slap em silly arguments. Then Rex stepped on a cloud and only xingu can possibly be relied on to find him.

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maporsche wrote:

RexRed wrote:
When the founding fathers separated church and state and mentioned the word "God". What do you all think they thought God was?

Maybe they were smart enough to understand that they didn't know anything about 'god', just like you don't.

You obvoiusly feel that they were referring to your christian god. Could you tell me which demonation they were referring too? They didn't mention Jesus, so maybe they were referring to the Jewish god.

How do you know?

Do you think that it's impossible to believe in god without being a christian?

Is it possible to believe in a god that is not omnipotent?

Is it possible that god is really an advanced alien?

You are obviously claiming that you know something that is indeed unknowable, does that make you omnipotent?

Many of the Founding Fathers wrote extensively of their beliefs on many subjects, including their various understandings of God.

I wouldn't say that discovering what they thought about this is unknowable. Far from it in many cases.

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real life wrote:

maporsche wrote:
RexRed wrote:
When the founding fathers separated church and state and mentioned the word "God". What do you all think they thought God was?

Maybe they were smart enough to understand that they didn't know anything about 'god', just like you don't.

You obvoiusly feel that they were referring to your christian god. Could you tell me which demonation they were referring too? They didn't mention Jesus, so maybe they were referring to the Jewish god.

How do you know?

Do you think that it's impossible to believe in god without being a christian?

Is it possible to believe in a god that is not omnipotent?

Is it possible that god is really an advanced alien?

You are obviously claiming that you know something that is indeed unknowable, does that make you omnipotent?

Many of the Founding Fathers wrote extensively of their beliefs on many subjects, including their various understandings of God.

I wouldn't say that discovering what they thought about this is unknowable. Far from it in many cases.

You're mis-reading what I wrote. To KNOW that there is a god is UNKNOWABLE.

Do you care to answer the other questions posted?

It's my belief that the founding fathers, despite their beliefs at the time, KNEW that they could be wrong, which is why they didn't give specifics about god in the most important document of our country. They were much smarter then than many are today.

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maporsche wrote:

real life wrote:
maporsche wrote:
RexRed wrote:
When the founding fathers separated church and state and mentioned the word "God". What do you all think they thought God was?

Maybe they were smart enough to understand that they didn't know anything about 'god', just like you don't.

You obvoiusly feel that they were referring to your christian god. Could you tell me which demonation they were referring too? They didn't mention Jesus, so maybe they were referring to the Jewish god.

How do you know?

Do you think that it's impossible to believe in god without being a christian?

Is it possible to believe in a god that is not omnipotent?

Is it possible that god is really an advanced alien?

You are obviously claiming that you know something that is indeed unknowable, does that make you omnipotent?

Many of the Founding Fathers wrote extensively of their beliefs on many subjects, including their various understandings of God.

I wouldn't say that discovering what they thought about this is unknowable. Far from it in many cases.

You're mis-reading what I wrote. To KNOW that there is a god is UNKNOWABLE.

Do you care to answer the other questions posted?

It's my belief that the founding fathers, despite their beliefs at the time, KNEW that they could be wrong, which is why they didn't give specifics about god in the most important document of our country. They were much smarter then than many are today.

As Clary said, we have covered this a few times. But for those who missed it:

To claim something is Unknowable, you must presume Omniscience. This is a self contradictory position.

--First, if you are stating that there is no possibility to know something, then to be sure this is true you must have all possible knowledge that is available anywhere and have complete understanding of that knowledge. That is Omniscience, by definition.

Don't bother checking. You don't have it.

--Second of course, if you actually were Omniscient then nothing would be Unknowable to you.

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real life wrote:

To claim something is Unknowable, you must presume Omniscience. This is a self contradictory position.

This is so wrong...and so stupid....it is a wonder you are still trying to peddle it.

Yes...it is wrong to assert that knowledge of God is unknowable. There is the possibility that there is a God...and certainly, if that God wanted us to have knowledge of it....it could arrange it.

But I have already given you an example of something that is unknowable, Life....and one does not have to be omniscient in order to realize that it is unknowable. (If one has a brain that functions, of course.)

Quote:

--First, if you are stating that there is no possibility to know something, then to be sure this is true you must have all possible knowledge that is available anywhere and have complete understanding of that knowledge. That is Omniscience, by definition.

Nonsense!

Quote:

Don't bother checking. You don't have it.

Better yet....don't bother checking, because it simply is not so.

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Maporsche

Life is correct in one aspect of his rant.

One cannot logically assert that knowledge of God is impossible....or that God is unknowable.

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