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Which Religion is the One True Religion?

 
 
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 01:27 pm
The London bombings have been claimed by Al Quaida, although not yet verified.

Once again, religion has reared its ugly head in the murder of the innocent.

I can't really blame someone who concludes from this that God either does not exist or has no feelings for mankind.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 01:35 pm
well neologist, you ever "pop' ants with a magnifing glass? It gives me a very "godlike" sense of power, perhaps your god feels the same way about humanity.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 02:40 pm
neologist wrote:
I make a serious post and am either ignored or rebuked. I make a stupid post and start a 2 page discussion.

Don't get to feeling too special; happens to me alla time.

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I'm beginning to think I ought not to take myself too seriously.

There ya go - now you're getting it :wink:

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Me'n Joe are gonna have to think this one out. . . er, drink this one out.

You two scootch over a tad, I'll join ya, and get the first round.

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Oh, dammit all anyway! Drunk

That hammer again, huh? Yeah they can be a real pain. Not quite as bad as a nail gun, though Laughing
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2005 09:35 am
dyslexia wrote:
well neologist, you ever "pop' ants with a magnifing glass? It gives me a very "godlike" sense of power, perhaps your god feels the same way about humanity.
Are you talking about the god of this world or the God who created the world?
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2005 09:38 am
timberlandko wrote:
neologist wrote:
I make a serious post and am either ignored or rebuked. I make a stupid post and start a 2 page discussion.

Don't get to feeling too special; happens to me alla time.

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I'm beginning to think I ought not to take myself too seriously.

There ya go - now you're getting it :wink:

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Me'n Joe are gonna have to think this one out. . . er, drink this one out.

You two scootch over a tad, I'll join ya, and get the first round.

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Oh, dammit all anyway! Drunk

That hammer again, huh? Yeah they can be a real pain. Not quite as bad as a nail gun, though Laughing
Finally, someone who understands. http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/console.gif
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John Creasy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 12:23 pm
so do any of you athiests or agnostics believe in spirits of any kind?? Do you believe that we have souls??
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 02:54 pm
John Creasy

Yes. I like an alcoholic beverage on occasion Drunk
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 03:18 pm
I happen to be a devout beer and whiskey sort, myself, though I dabble in some other spirits from time to time. I see no conflict there. When it comes to booze, I guess you could say I'm ecumenical. Mind you, not evangelical; booze is a matter of personal choice - I no more advocate it than condemn it. Do whatever works for you.


But, of course, do whatever you choose responsibly - see to it your choice in such regard negatively impacts nobody.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 03:19 pm
I love wine, especially with a good meal at dinner time. Beer is my "regular" drink, but I love my vodka martini once-in-awhile.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 03:58 pm
John Creasy wrote:
so do any of you athiests or agnostics believe in spirits of any kind?? Do you believe that we have souls??


No need to guess on this question. I KNOW the answer.

The answer is:

I do not know...and there is damn near no evidence at all worth worth a shyt in either direction....so any guess is not worth more than a coin toss.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 04:02 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
John Creasy wrote:
so do any of you athiests or agnostics believe in spirits of any kind?? Do you believe that we have souls??


No need to guess on this question. I KNOW the answer.

The answer is:

I do not know...and there is damn near no evidence at all worth worth a shyt in either direction....so any guess is not worth more than a coin toss.


A coin to pay the piper... Smile
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John Creasy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 05:26 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
John Creasy wrote:
so do any of you athiests or agnostics believe in spirits of any kind?? Do you believe that we have souls??


No need to guess on this question. I KNOW the answer.

The answer is:

I do not know...and there is damn near no evidence at all worth worth a shyt in either direction....so any guess is not worth more than a coin toss.

What about people who have seen and experienced spirits? What about people who've had near death experiences?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 05:41 pm
John Creasy wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
John Creasy wrote:
so do any of you athiests or agnostics believe in spirits of any kind?? Do you believe that we have souls??


No need to guess on this question. I KNOW the answer.

The answer is:

I do not know...and there is damn near no evidence at all worth worth a shyt in either direction....so any guess is not worth more than a coin toss.

What about people who have seen and experienced spirits? What about people who've had near death experiences?


What about 'em?????

People who say they have seen and experienced spirits....may simply be mistaken. People who say they have seen pink elephants share that in common with them.

I defy anyone who claims to have seen or experienced a spirit....to give convincing evidence that they were not simply being delusional.


What does a "near death experience" have to do with any of this?

"Near death" is to "death" what "near virginity" is to "virginity."
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 05:42 pm
John Creasy wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
John Creasy wrote:
so do any of you athiests or agnostics believe in spirits of any kind?? Do you believe that we have souls??


No need to guess on this question. I KNOW the answer.

The answer is:

I do not know...and there is damn near no evidence at all worth worth a shyt in either direction....so any guess is not worth more than a coin toss.

What about people who have seen and experienced spirits? What about people who've had near death experiences?


Most have never been near life too JC.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 05:50 pm
John, there is no forensically, academically, scientifically valid evidence to support claims of the existence of the paranormal, period. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Ain't any. Now, the absence of evidence of a thing or condition does not entail the absence of that thing or condition, of course. It means merely there is no supportive evidense for the proposition. As to anecdotal accounts of people who claim to have experienced paranormal phenomena, no forensically, academically, scientifically valid evidence to support their claims exists. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Ain't any. Again.

Conversely, for many such claims (though certainly by no means all), there exist plausible, even compelling, naturalistic explanations.

"I don't know" - "Insufficient data" - is a valid, concrete, if to some unsatisfying, answer. Hysteria and delusion are part-and-parcel of the religionist argument. Hallucinations well may be experienced (I've had a few myself Mr. Green ), but they are not real. That too, is a very credible answer to purported phenomena of paranormal occurances; all else being equal, it is far more logical and reasonable to suspect the respondent reporting the experience dreamed it than to assume a suspension of known natural laws and conditions. That of course does not mean that all reports of paranormal occurances are bogus, it means merely that while there is no forensically, academically, scientifically valid evidence to support such claims, credible alternate explanations abound, and entails the understanding that given current knowledge, some things are unexplained

Unexplained doesn't mean divine any more than it means magic, it means unexplained. As in "We don't know, the data is insufficient."

I remind you that faith, conviction, and zeal are not evidence, they are emotional conditions.
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John Creasy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 06:01 pm
I guess they're all lying or crazy. Man, you guys are really pessimistic. As far as near death experiences, thousands of people who have had them claim to have experienced things outside of this world.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 06:10 pm
There's a big difference between "pessimistic" and "realistic."
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 06:11 pm
Not lying, not crazy, just mistaken. BTW, the physiologic basis for "out-of-body"/"near-death" experiences is fairly well documented, and remarkably consistant. The experiences reported bear strong similarities, and there is strong similarity observed in blood oxygen and nutriant levels, stress-related hormones, neural activity, and motor function, among other things. Whatever those folks experience, when they experience it in a clinical setting, it appears fairly conclusively to do pretty much the same thing to their body chemistry across the board.
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John Creasy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 07:22 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Not lying, not crazy, just mistaken. BTW, the physiologic basis for "out-of-body"/"near-death" experiences is fairly well documented, and remarkably consistant. The experiences reported bear strong similarities, and there is strong similarity observed in blood oxygen and nutriant levels, stress-related hormones, neural activity, and motor function, among other things. Whatever those folks experience, when they experience it in a clinical setting, it appears fairly conclusively to do pretty much the same thing to their body chemistry across the board.

It may be physiological it may not be. You can't prove it either way. I'm not expecting to convert anybody here, it's just frustrating that some of you are not even open to the possibility of these type of things. You are just as close-minded as any religious fundamentalist.

CI, every cynical person I know always claims to be a realist. I don't think you would acknowledge God if he smacked you in the head.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 07:58 pm
"What about people who have seen and experienced spirits? What about people who've had near death experiences?"

You keep believing in spirits and near death experience. You'll never be able to prove them with "observable evidence" that can be verified by others. I'm not a cynic for not trusting something you can't prove. Some people even claim they have regular two-way conversations with jesus. We call them "halucinations."
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