Ron said: The teachings, the words, of the Bible, in the end, are interpreted by each person. These interpretations differ and have done so for 2000 years
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Frank Apisa said: "Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess.....MAKING THEM PERPETUAL SLAVES. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen." Leviticus 25:44ff
Quote:Frank Apisa said: "Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess.....MAKING THEM PERPETUAL SLAVES. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen." Leviticus 25:44ff
Aha, another Bible literalist..
This verse clearly no-no's slavery-
"He that steals a man and sells him, or if he be found in his hands, he shall surely be put to death " (Exod. 21:16; Deut. 24:7)
so how can both verses be equally valid?
To find the answer to the top verse we simply have to use our commonsense and remember the Bible covers thousands of years of volatile ever-changing human history; tribes came, tribes went, and some were quite nasty so God had to slap them around to protect the Israelites who were his blue-eyed boys and gals.
Some nasty tribes he wiped out completely, but with others he took the softer line and allowed them to be enslaved, serves 'em right.
Think of them as "prisoners of war" who were put to work, just as America and Britain put captured Germans and Italians to work in WW2.
The second verse relates to new periods and new tribes, so God had to step in like a boxing referee to say "Break" because slavery was now a no-no..
"The times they are a-changing"- Bob Dylan
Romeo said: My personal stance is that cheap throwaway sex outside marriage is sickening.I tried it in my younger days and hated it because there was no commitment, no bond, no depth to it.
Frank Apisa said: Better to pretend that you considered it "sickening"...than to deal with the fact that apparently, it was difficult for you to score.Read about sour grapes.
Frank Apisa said: @RF- The people supposedly had just been released from slavery themselves...and the god was telling them that slavery was moral and just
Quote:Romeo said: My personal stance is that cheap throwaway sex outside marriage is sickening.I tried it in my younger days and hated it because there was no commitment, no bond, no depth to it.
Frank Apisa said: Better to pretend that you considered it "sickening"...than to deal with the fact that apparently, it was difficult for you to score.Read about sour grapes.
Nah mate, we holy men don't do "sour grapes"..
I was always the sort who had to get to know a lady as a friend first before attempting to (gulp) make love to her, which could take many weeks or months, but they were usually too impatient to wait that long and we split.
For example June dragged me into bed on only our second date and I went along with it to be a gentlemen, but it was a disaster.
It was a hot summers afternoon with the sun blazing through the thin curtains and there was no mellow romantic atmosphere but I gave it my best shot, but could only flop around on her like a stranded kipper thinking "why am I doing this?", there was no friendship or bonding or connection or anything, it was like trying to love a sack of potatoes, so I pretended to fall asleep.
She gave a sigh and got up and got dressed. I pretended to "wake up", I apologised and saw her to the door and her car, and we drifted apart after that..
Massa Frank Apisa said: In fact, Jesus IS quoted as saying he did not want to change things like the [pro-slavery] passage I cited
Quote:Massa Frank Apisa said: In fact, Jesus IS quoted as saying he did not want to change things like the [pro-slavery] passage I cited
I bet the American plantation owners said the same thing as an excuse to own slaves..
In fact the best excuse I heard from a slaver in 'Roots' was "We're doing the nigrahs a favour by rescuing them from the heathen jungle and bringing them to christian America!"
