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Which Religion is the One True Religion?

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 10:11 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
sunlover, Don't forget about all those "miracles" that happened until 2,000 years ago; they disappeared all of a sudden from the landscape like the other myths of the bible.

Have you seen anybody walk on water lately?


They "disappeared" with Jesus
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 10:22 am
Why did they disappear with Jesus? It seems Jesus was a myth by all indications. There's nothing outside the bible that confirms his existence. With all those miracles, you'd think they would have been recorded by others, because many of them were not done in isolation. That kind of event would have spread like wildfire.
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sunlover
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 08:43 pm
Intrepid wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
sunlover, Don't forget about all those "miracles" that happened until 2,000 years ago; they disappeared all of a sudden from the landscape like the other myths of the bible.

Have you seen anybody walk on water lately?


They "disappeared" with Jesus


Cicerone Imposter, in all fairness it is just too easy to say that Jesus was a myth. If you want the truth about religion then you'll have to read the biblical scholars. I know the Islamic religion recognizes Jesus as a prophet, but not as the Catholics say, the "son of God," some kind of diety. Jesus was human but the soul within him had reached an advanced level of spirituality. I think the study of Buddhism tells more about Jesus than "Christianity."

As for all those miracles, well, we all have the potential within us but it surely must be awakened and developed. Just "believing it" is almost impossible, obviously.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 08:46 pm
The only miracles I've experienced personally was in my dreams. Wink I even flew without wings!
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Mapleleaf
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 08:47 pm
I'm sure this has been covered, but why does there have to be one true religion?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 08:56 pm
Actually, i don't believe that has been hashed out, ML. Although many posting to these fora at one time or another express what might be termed the pluralistic ideal of America--that they feel that what they believe is right for them, and don't suggest that it would suit others.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 10:43 pm
Mapleleaf wrote:
I'm sure this has been covered, but why does there have to be one true religion?
Bertrand Russell was of the opinion that since there were so many differing religions in the world, only one of them could be right.
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real life
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 12:03 am
Mapleleaf wrote:
I'm sure this has been covered, but why does there have to be one true religion?


If two ideas or concepts are contradictory, both cannot be true. The modernistic, mushy 'I feel that what I believe is right for me,' is just fuzzyheadedness that doesn't want to look at things too closely for fear that a decision might have to be made.

If there is Absolute Truth, then ideas in conflict with it must be false.

Statements such as 'there is no Absolute Truth' are absurdities since they state an Absolute denying that there are Absolutes.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 02:59 am
neologist wrote:
Mapleleaf wrote:
I'm sure this has been covered, but why does there have to be one true religion?
Bertrand Russell was of the opinion that since there were so many differing religions in the world, only one of them could be right.


"Only one"...

...or none.
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Mapleleaf
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 09:15 pm
Frank,
You may be right. As I have studied history, I have alway wondered why Man tends to worship what he does not understand: or, should I say that which benefits him (and which he does not understand). The Nile River, the Sun, etc.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 11:29 am
maporsche wrote:
RexRed wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
"Whether the prayer is a "petition" or a "thank you" or "adoration."

Why would any god need to be thanked? "Adoration?" ROFLMAO.


God is love... so why again would we thank God?


I don't know. According to your theory of christianity, your god knows what is in your heart without you ever saying anything. So why would you need to vocally or willfully pray/thank god?

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I suspect you are praying/thanking for your own personal reasons, which are selfish and have nothing to do with what your god would want or need.


That is exactly the point...

God wants to spoil us...
God knows our hearts and we must claim our rights as Christians. We have the claim slip that was granted to us 2000 years ago but we need to go to the presence of God and openly submit our claim...
Unlike you who have been talked out of you own Christian rights and the promises of God because you think it may be too "selfish" of you to claim wholeness.

God wants to bless us and it is the devil that tries to trick us into thinking that we are not God's best, that we are unworthy or that we are beings "selfish" to want God to help us with our health, prosperity and other needs that fall within his will and ability... God gives us spirit that leads to wholeness.

You prove my point by your ignorance of this that you need to learn the rare truth of the Bible that God DOES want to "spoil" us (in a good way)...

If you want to put your foot on the hose then you will surely reap what you sow.

Also, it is ludicrous to assume of a Christian that the only one that they pray for is themselves... They pray for others because of the profit they have received from God they know God's love and feel compelled to share this love with others. You talk about what you think about. You are what you eat, you become what you feed yourself upon. If you have a nice car and you think about it allot you will talk about it. If you have a thankful heart then you will talk about it an you will vocalize the love of God shown to you to others. If you have no loving God then you have nothing to talk about but selfish babble...

I will tell you I thank God for myself too and I have no qualms about it. Yet the greatest thanks are the thanks directed specifically toward God... I also thank God for things that have not yet come to pass and I thank God for the blessings that have come to fruition. This is the will of God that I am blessed... so that I may be an example of God's power and grace to others who are crying and hungering for peace with God..

I thank God for placing people into my path that I can actually help and bring to the light. They become a blessing to me and a reaffirmation of my own faith.

Every day God brings these people into my life and I am able to open their eyes to the true heart and nature of God.

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Frank, you can make your assumptions that God cannot be known so that you can live your ungrateful existence full of your own self pride and self proclaimed divinity.

You lean unto the seen and deny the unseen only for your own gratification... It is not honesty it is travesty.

This trains the mind in a self centered deification that is devoid of conscience or reverence for anything beyond that your own greed...

It is God that justifies charity and without God there can be no TRUE charity or compassion... without God love is only a shady deal made among thieves.

You can deny these words but they will stand in truth against you until you come to the realization that they are right and you are wrong.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 11:37 am
"God wants to spoil us." ROFLMAO
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 11:48 am
RexRed wrote:
That is exactly the point...

God wants to spoil us...


Yeah...sure. the god of the Bible...the god Jesus worshipped...wants to spoil us!!!!!!

The only thing wrong with this picture...is what the god does and says.


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You prove my point by your ignorance of this that you need to learn the rare truth of the Bible that God DOES want to "spoil" us (in a good way)...


Oh...yes. By all means "learn" the "rare truth of the Bible!"

By all means do that.


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If you have no loving God then you have nothing to talk about but selfish babble...


Oh no, Rex. You could still have Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny....and Harvey.


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I will tell you I thank God for myself too and I have no qualms about it. Yet the greatest thanks are the thanks directed specifically toward God... I also thank God for things that have not yet come to pass and I thank God for the blessings that have come to fruition. This is the will of God that I am blessed... so that I may be an example of God's power and grace to others who are crying and hungering for peace with God..

I thank God for placing people into my path that I can actually help and bring to the light. They become a blessing to me and a reaffirmation of my own faith.

Every day God brings these people into my life and I am able to open their eyes to the true heart and nature of God.


Oh, yes...you are opening people's eyes!

Mine often roll around in their sockets after reading your posts, Rex.


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Frank, you can make your assumptions that God cannot be known so that you can live your ungrateful existence full of your own self pride and self proclaimed divinity.


I have never made any assumptions that God...should a God exist...cannot be known...and I have made a big point of mentioning that on several occasions.

Is there a rule that in order to be Christian...you are not allowed to understand the English language???


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You lean unto the seen and deny the unseen only for your own gratification... It is not honesty it is travesty.


Well this may surprise you, Rex...but I disagree with you here.


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This trains the mind in a self centered deification that is devoid of conscience or reverence for anything beyond that your own greed...


Oh my...you are allowing yourself to get out of control again...and your sentences are no longer making even a tiny bit of sense.


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It is God that justifies charity and without God there can be no TRUE charity or compassion... without God love is only a shady deal made among thieves.


Well if it makes you happy to suppose that agnostics and atheists cannot be charitable...go for it. It sounds like you don't have much more going in your life right now...and it is no skin off our noses.


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You can deny these words but they will stand in truth against you until you come to the realization that they are right and you are wrong.


You know what, Rex...I have just come to the realization that even though I am an agnostic...I probably am a better Christian than you are.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 12:17 pm
Frank you are playing dodge ball with your own salvation Smile

peace my brother
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 12:41 pm
RexRed wrote:
Frank you are playing dodge ball with your own salvation Smile

peace my brother


Peace to you too, Rex.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 02:32 pm
Peace to all of you! And I mean that sincerely.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 03:23 pm
RexRed wrote:
Frank you are playing dodge ball with your own salvation


One must presuppose that there is even such a thing as "salvation", before one can play dodge ball with it.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 04:11 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Frank you are playing dodge ball with your own salvation


One must presuppose that there is even such a thing as "salvation", before one can play dodge ball with it.


Though one needs not become a contortionist to avoid salvation...
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djbt
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 04:29 pm
... especially if it doesn't exist. Very little contortion needed then.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 04:35 pm
The only contortion is when somebody believes there is such a thing as salvation. The mind must accept so many mental gymnastics to believe in such an invisible idea.
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