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Which Religion is the One True Religion?

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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:05 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
"Whether the prayer is a "petition" or a "thank you" or "adoration."

Why would any god need to be thanked? "Adoration?" ROFLMAO.


You will probably never know the answer to that....
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:07 pm
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Why would any god need to be thanked? "Adoration?" ROFLMAO.


Maybe he is insecure, and needs some positive reinforcement? :wink:
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:12 pm
Why would anyone want to post on your threads when all you do is ridicule and show lack of maturity.... open to whoever it fits
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:15 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
This whole "faith" thing in religious discussions...in a religious context...truly is an absurdity.

Theists have absolutely no way to prove...or even to provide reasonable evidence....that any of the tenets of their religions are facts. So they are left with defending their guesses about the Ultimate REALITY.

They refer to their guesses as "beliefs."

Then they invoke "faith"...which obviously is merely insisting that the guesses (which they call beliefs) are correct NO MATTER WHAT.

In a relgious context, folks, "faith" is not the glorious, edifying thing theists want to paint it to be. It is not even a virtue, by any reasonable standard of measurement.

Faith...in a religious context...IS BULL HEADEDNESS plain and simple.


Before you start knocking faith you may look into The Word to find out what "faith" really is...

There are at least five different kinds of faith in the Bible... that I know of...

There is the family of faith
There is faith as a manifestation
There is faith as a fruit of the spirit
There is faith as simple believing (christian and non-christian)

and most importantly, there is the faith of Jesus Christ...
(No, that is not the name of a religion...)
but meaning we have the believing capacity of Jesus Christ within...

And when it comes to faith (as a religion) there is only one faith and not many...

Your massacre of the scriptures is clearly evident Frank...

In many cases it again takes holy spirit to KNOW faith...
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:17 pm
RexRed wrote:

One can never be too thankful to God...


I'm sure you were not being sardonic...but in the case of the god of the Bible...(and being sardonic)...you are absolutely correct.


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Also prayer is not hope it is believing...


Prayer of petition is nothing more than hoping. Not sure what you mean when you say it is believing...but "believing" (in a religious context) is nothing more than guessing about the unknown....and pretending it is not guessing.


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Jesus advised against some prayers in public for self worship reasons...


Actually, Jesus advised against praying in public because he thought of it as hypocrisy.

But in any case....he DID advise against public praying.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:20 pm
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
This whole "faith" thing in religious discussions...in a religious context...truly is an absurdity.

Theists have absolutely no way to prove...or even to provide reasonable evidence....that any of the tenets of their religions are facts. So they are left with defending their guesses about the Ultimate REALITY.

They refer to their guesses as "beliefs."

Then they invoke "faith"...which obviously is merely insisting that the guesses (which they call beliefs) are correct NO MATTER WHAT.

In a relgious context, folks, "faith" is not the glorious, edifying thing theists want to paint it to be. It is not even a virtue, by any reasonable standard of measurement.

Faith...in a religious context...IS BULL HEADEDNESS plain and simple.


Before you start knocking faith you may look into The Word to find out what "faith" really is...

There are at least five different kinds of faith in the Bible... that I know of...

There is the family of faith
There is faith as a manifestation
There is faith as a fruit of the spirit
There is faith as simple believing (christian and non-christian)

and most importantly, there is the faith of Jesus Christ...
(No, that is not the name of a religion...)
but meaning we have the believing capacity of Jesus Christ within...

And when it comes to faith (as a religion) there is only one faith and not many...

Your massacre of the scriptures is clearly evident Frank...

In many cases it again takes holy spirit to KNOW faith...


Rex, this whole "faith" thing in religious discussions...in a religious context...truly is an absurdity.

Theists have absolutely no way to prove...or even to provide reasonable evidence....that any of the tenets of their religions are facts. So they are left with defending their guesses about the Ultimate REALITY.

They refer to their guesses as "beliefs."

Then they invoke "faith"...which obviously is merely insisting that the guesses (which they call beliefs) are correct NO MATTER WHAT.

In a relgious context, folks, "faith" is not the glorious, edifying thing theists want to paint it to be. It is not even a virtue, by any reasonable standard of measurement.

Faith...in a religious context...IS BULL HEADEDNESS plain and simple.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:27 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
"Whether the prayer is a "petition" or a "thank you" or "adoration."

Why would any god need to be thanked? "Adoration?" ROFLMAO.


God is love... so why again would we thank God?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:35 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Quote:
Why would any god need to be thanked? "Adoration?" ROFLMAO.


Maybe he is insecure, and needs some positive reinforcement? :wink:


This is as good an explanation as any. Who are any of you to refute the possibility that god is insecure and may need some positive reinforcement?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:36 pm
RexRed wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
"Whether the prayer is a "petition" or a "thank you" or "adoration."

Why would any god need to be thanked? "Adoration?" ROFLMAO.


God is love... so why again would we thank God?


I don't know. According to your theory of christianity, your god knows what is in your heart without you ever saying anything. So why would you need to vocally or willfully pray/thank god?

Edited to add:
I suspect you are praying/thanking for your own personal reasons, which are selfish and have nothing to do with what your god would want or need.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:36 pm
RexRed wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
"Whether the prayer is a "petition" or a "thank you" or "adoration."

Why would any god need to be thanked? "Adoration?" ROFLMAO.


God is love... so why again would we thank God?


Actually...even if you are correct that your god "is love"...something I cannot imagine considering what the god says and does....thanking the god again and again and again...IS SICK.

It can be argued that thanking someone repeatedly is an insult.

And sick!

That's why.

In any case...I have come to the conclusion that you folks thank and adore and worship your god for the same reasons those Iraqi men on the street praised Saddam Hussein before he was deposed.

FEAR!

Blind, numbing fear.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:36 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
This whole "faith" thing in religious discussions...in a religious context...truly is an absurdity.

Theists have absolutely no way to prove...or even to provide reasonable evidence....that any of the tenets of their religions are facts. So they are left with defending their guesses about the Ultimate REALITY.

They refer to their guesses as "beliefs."

Then they invoke "faith"...which obviously is merely insisting that the guesses (which they call beliefs) are correct NO MATTER WHAT.

In a relgious context, folks, "faith" is not the glorious, edifying thing theists want to paint it to be. It is not even a virtue, by any reasonable standard of measurement.

Faith...in a religious context...IS BULL HEADEDNESS plain and simple.


Before you start knocking faith you may look into The Word to find out what "faith" really is...

There are at least five different kinds of faith in the Bible... that I know of...

There is the family of faith
There is faith as a manifestation
There is faith as a fruit of the spirit
There is faith as simple believing (christian and non-christian)

and most importantly, there is the faith of Jesus Christ...
(No, that is not the name of a religion...)
but meaning we have the believing capacity of Jesus Christ within...

And when it comes to faith (as a religion) there is only one faith and not many...

Your massacre of the scriptures is clearly evident Frank...

In many cases it again takes holy spirit to KNOW faith...


Rex, this whole "faith" thing in religious discussions...in a religious context...truly is an absurdity.

Theists have absolutely no way to prove...or even to provide reasonable evidence....that any of the tenets of their religions are facts. So they are left with defending their guesses about the Ultimate REALITY.

They refer to their guesses as "beliefs."

Then they invoke "faith"...which obviously is merely insisting that the guesses (which they call beliefs) are correct NO MATTER WHAT.

In a relgious context, folks, "faith" is not the glorious, edifying thing theists want to paint it to be. It is not even a virtue, by any reasonable standard of measurement.

Faith...in a religious context...IS BULL HEADEDNESS plain and simple.


Frank I don't hope that God loves me... I don't wish that God loves me, I believe that God loves me.. I know that God loves me...
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:39 pm
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
This whole "faith" thing in religious discussions...in a religious context...truly is an absurdity.

Theists have absolutely no way to prove...or even to provide reasonable evidence....that any of the tenets of their religions are facts. So they are left with defending their guesses about the Ultimate REALITY.

They refer to their guesses as "beliefs."

Then they invoke "faith"...which obviously is merely insisting that the guesses (which they call beliefs) are correct NO MATTER WHAT.

In a relgious context, folks, "faith" is not the glorious, edifying thing theists want to paint it to be. It is not even a virtue, by any reasonable standard of measurement.

Faith...in a religious context...IS BULL HEADEDNESS plain and simple.


Before you start knocking faith you may look into The Word to find out what "faith" really is...

There are at least five different kinds of faith in the Bible... that I know of...

There is the family of faith
There is faith as a manifestation
There is faith as a fruit of the spirit
There is faith as simple believing (christian and non-christian)

and most importantly, there is the faith of Jesus Christ...
(No, that is not the name of a religion...)
but meaning we have the believing capacity of Jesus Christ within...

And when it comes to faith (as a religion) there is only one faith and not many...

Your massacre of the scriptures is clearly evident Frank...

In many cases it again takes holy spirit to KNOW faith...


Rex, this whole "faith" thing in religious discussions...in a religious context...truly is an absurdity.

Theists have absolutely no way to prove...or even to provide reasonable evidence....that any of the tenets of their religions are facts. So they are left with defending their guesses about the Ultimate REALITY.

They refer to their guesses as "beliefs."

Then they invoke "faith"...which obviously is merely insisting that the guesses (which they call beliefs) are correct NO MATTER WHAT.

In a relgious context, folks, "faith" is not the glorious, edifying thing theists want to paint it to be. It is not even a virtue, by any reasonable standard of measurement.

Faith...in a religious context...IS BULL HEADEDNESS plain and simple.


Frank I don't hope that God loves me... I don't wish that God loves me, I believe that God loves me.. I know that God loves me...


If you "know" that god loves you then why do you have to also "believe" that he does?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:40 pm
QUESTION:

Is it more likely that a player scores a touchdown and gets down on one knee and bows his head...

...is doing that because his god is watching...

...or because the folks in the stands are watching.


And what is the real difference between what he is doing...and what all these folks at revival meetings are doing?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:47 pm
Unless you want a guess... ask the football player
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:52 pm
That football player is misdirecting his thank you. He, his team, and the defenders allowed him to score that touchdown. Not any god. The fans may have had a bit more influence.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:57 pm
RexRed wrote:
Frank I don't hope that God loves me... I don't wish that God loves me, I believe that God loves me.. I know that God loves me...


Every indication is that you don't even know if there is a God....let alone whether that God loves you or not.

And if you keep worshipping that comic book god of yours...if there is a God who loves or does not love...you are going to be on the "do not love" list.
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sunlover
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 03:20 pm
Hey there, it is truly incredible that anyone believes there is a God at all. Starting with Genesis you read the rauchiest, most brutal violent stuff I've read anywhere, totally unbelievable right through to Revelations.

The Bible comes complete with psychic phenomenon, magic, superstition, mythology, lies, fabrication. The word "religion" is not even noted there.

But, if any one of us at this time in this moment has the tiniest bit of "faith" that there is a God who cares about us, well yeah, they would have to be rock head stubborn. Not a bad character trait BTW.
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real life
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 12:08 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
"Prayer - A reverent petition made to a deity or other object of worship."

real life refuses to accept the common definition for prayer. Whether you are christian, buddhist, muslim or jew, prayer is prayer to a deity (different god - if you will). The meaning remains the same for all.


It would seem obvious that different religions do not all teach or practice the same type of prayer, or believe that prayer is answered in the same way or under the same circumstances. Each proscribes different criteria that must be met to have prayer answered and who will or will not receive an answer. Each also views what is and is not an answer in different ways.

Even within a group, for instance, take 50 members of any church , synagogue, mosque or temple--- and you will find they do not all share the same belief regarding how to pray and why prayer is answered or not; and if you observe their prayer they do not all pray the same way, even if they are members of the same congregation.

These "studies" that we are discussing took none of this into account. They are hopelessly flawed for that reason. They could not possibly "prove" anything concerning prayer because prayer is not even uniformly defined, much less measured in these exercises in futility.
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shiyacic aleksandar
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 03:11 am
What is wisdom? It is to know your own true self, that is, self knowledge. Self knowledge is Self realization. Wisdom calls for the control of thoughts by appropriate efforts. Constant contemplation on the Self is the means of experiencing the direct vision of God, and devotion is the means to achieve it. Whether one takes to the the path of wisdom or the the path of Devotion, the goal is the same, illumination.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 10:09 am
sunlover, Don't forget about all those "miracles" that happened until 2,000 years ago; they disappeared all of a sudden from the landscape like the other myths of the bible.

Have you seen anybody walk on water lately?
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