Which Religion is the One True Religion?

RexRed wrote:

I suppose non-christians, few as they may be, are perfect angels... especially democrats.

First off, not that it matters, much of the population is "non-christian". There are millions of people who label themselves as "christian" but are not living the life a "good christian" should. They will die with sin on their heart and go to hell, same as you. I don't think it's possible to die with a clean soul, you'd have to repent the second before you death.

Someone stated that the soul goes to heaven because its reached perfection. Someone explain exactly how that is.


Second off, since you bring politics into this, show me where in the New Testament it says to bomb your neighbors (worldly neighbors, Iraq), MURDER innocent children (out of the womb, Iraq), and ignore and spit on the poor in the country (poor healthcare & rising costs & reduced coverage, ineffective welfare system, lowering taxes on the richest Americans, and creating fewer jobs (our unemployement is over 5%, with Clinton it was under 4%).

I know that I read Jesus say that somewhere, didn't I? Oh and don't even try to bring OT LAWS into this debate, you've repeated OVER AND OVER that those LAWS no longer apply, and that only what Jesus said applies. So defend those republican positions/actions with Jesus' words.

Free will?

"Not my will but thine be done..."

RexRed wrote:

Free will?

"Not my will but thine be done..."

By the way....you do know to whom Jesus was addressing this comment, do you not?

The god who offers its "will" in the following passages:

"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you BUY them from among the neighboring nations. You may also BUY them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land. Such slaves YOU MAY OWN AS CHATTELS, and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, MAKING THEM PERPETUAL SLAVES. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen." Leviticus 25:44ff


"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." Leviticus 20:13


"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death." Deuteronomy 22:18ff


"When you march up to attack a city, first offer terms of peace.
If it agrees to your terms of peace and opens its gates to you,
all the people to be found in it shall serve you in forced labor.
But if it refuses to make peace with you and instead offers you
battle, lay siege to it, and when the Lord, your God, delivers it
into your hand, put every male in it to the sword, but the women
and children and livestock and all else in it that is worth
plunder you may take as your booty and you may use this plunder
of your enemies which the Lord, your God, has given you." Deuteronomy 20:10


"I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishments
for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate
me, down to the third and fourth generation." Deuteronomy 5:9


"Therefore, he who has any of the following defects may not come
forward: he who is blind, or lame, or who has any disfigurement
or malformation, or crippled foot or hand....he may not approach
the veil nor go up to the altar on account of these defects; he
shall not profane these things that are sacred to me, for it is
I, the Lord, who make them sacred." Leviticus 21:18ff


So that is what Jesus was advocating. Doing these things...these bits of your god's "will."

Rex, reciting your mythology doesn't validate it. You are preaching, proselytizing and parroting. Give it a break - try something new, like actual discussion and discourse.

Now, once again, lets get back to square one - what about the Abrahamic mythopaeia validates it - let alone elevates its Protestant Christian subset above any competing theo-philosophic myth system? What, apart from conviction and passion on the parts of its adherents, differentiates it, or any of them, from superstition?

Oh, I know, c.i. ...

The fact remains that is the key question in this discussion, the foundation of this discussion, and the fact remains it has been neither answered nor even honestly addressed.

real life wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Anybody confused yet? LOL

Only you.

I am confused by these apparent contradictions, real life. If you are not, could you explain to me how they can be reconciled. Feel free to take them one at a time, I'll probably get swamped otherwise!

Good and evil: should we want to know the difference? No,
that was the sin of Adam (Gen 2:15-17, 3:4-6)

Me thinks rex is a preacher - third class.

maporsche wrote:

RexRed wrote:

I suppose non-christians, few as they may be, are perfect angels... especially democrats.

First off, not that it matters, much of the population is "non-christian". There are millions of people who label themselves as "christian" but are not living the life a "good christian" should. They will die with sin on their heart and go to hell, same as you. I don't think it's possible to die with a clean soul, you'd have to repent the second before you death.

Someone stated that the soul goes to heaven because its reached perfection. Someone explain exactly how that is.


Second off, since you bring politics into this, show me where in the New Testament it says to bomb your neighbors (worldly neighbors, Iraq), MURDER innocent children (out of the womb, Iraq), and ignore and spit on the poor in the country (poor healthcare & rising costs & reduced coverage, ineffective welfare system, lowering taxes on the richest Americans, and creating fewer jobs (our unemployement is over 5%, with Clinton it was under 4%).

I know that I read Jesus say that somewhere, didn't I? Oh and don't even try to bring OT LAWS into this debate, you've repeated OVER AND OVER that those LAWS no longer apply, and that only what Jesus said applies. So defend those republican positions/actions with Jesus' words.

Do I understand you to say that Christians err because they do not have political positions that fulfill the commands of Jesus to feed the poor, care for the sick, etc ?

Are you saying that the government of the US should be fulfilling these commands of Christ?

I thought you were all for separation of church and state?

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Or would you prefer to discuss Iraq since you mentioned it twice? Saddam Hussein and his sons caused mass graves to be dug in Iraq with thousands of innocent victims. One notable method of torture was to run opponents thru the plastic shredder. Dismemberment and sending the body parts to the widow were also frequent favs. Are you saying that it is immoral to oppose such behavior?

Many innocent civilians unfortunately died in WWII while bringing the era of Hitler to a close. Tens of thousands , in fact.

Innocent civilians have lost their lives in Iraq also, no question. However, many more were brutally murdered under Hussein each year. The gassing of the Kurds comes to mind as another example.

Are you suggesting that Christians, in order to be true to Christ, must turn a blind eye to brutal regimes such as Iraq that murder their own people and are a danger to the world? Hussein's sponsorship of terrorism is well known and his stockpile of 500 tons of uranium just prior to the war is, as any reasonable person could see, NOT an indication of benign intent.

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So go for it, maporsche. Either issue is open. You want the government to be the church? Or you want to defend Saddam's right to rule?