Which Religion is the One True Religion?

well, that seems a fair statement real life, so how about we just say christian religious principles reek of bigotry?

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Intrepid wrote:

maporsche wrote:
I'll ask again (3rd time) for a response to this.

mesquite wrote:

Now you have the best of both worlds. You can screw up big time and still have salvation, and you can still dip back into the old book to reinforce pet prejudices and bigotry.

Not to say the rest of your post wasn't good......but this comment is spectacular and 100% right on target.

I ask neologist, rexred, real life, and your ilk how you would respond directly to this quote?

I responded to this on page 236 with a question. You seem to have missed or ignored it. I assume that you consider me part of the "ilk"

Col 3:24
Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

1Th 2:19 - Show Context
For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?

2Ti 4:8 - Show Context
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Jas 1:12 - Show Context
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

1Pe 5:4 - Show Context
And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Re 2:10 - Show Context
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

These crowns are rewards not penalties...

Can a reward be like a penalty if you do not receive many?

For years I had trouble with the idea of rewards...

Does that seem like heaven will have some with many rewards and some with only a few? Will you have many rewards in heaven or only a few?

I want to hear what you all have to say about rewards, then I will give you the answer and see how far off you all are... Smile

I will be back with the sexuality/slave answers but I need a bit of time a strain in my back has been killing me and my computer is not helping it... Sad

I feel like I have given you the answers to that but I guess you all need them spelled right out, that is ok...

laters

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Intrepid wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Frank, The whole thing begins with another Adam and Eve. LOL

Laugh if you will. There was only one Adam and Eve. They messed up, remember?

I say it was a set-up...and that, according to your Bible, they did not know right from wrong...good from evil.

Even though your Bible backs me up completely...you argue that they "had free will" and some kind of innate knowledge of right and wrong...even though your Bible says they didn't.

And you invoke their "free will."

Now you tell us that when you go to heaven...you have no chance of ever subsequently going to hell.

We've asked about the free will.

You are dodging the question.

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Intrepid wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Frank, The whole thing begins with another Adam and Eve. LOL

They used the "they had free will" argument all over the place when Eden was discussed.

And it seemed that the one indispensable gift of their god...was "free will."

Just wondering why "free will" seems to disappear in their Heaven????

Think we will ever get a lucid answer to that?

Because those that get there will have reached perfection

Oh really!

But if they still had all this vaunted free will...they might unperfect.

Hey...you characters claim the "perfect" Adam and Eve did.

So...does your god take away your free will after you get to heaven?

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RexRed wrote:

I will be back with the sexuality/slave answers but I need a bit of time a strain in my back has been killing me and my computer is not helping it...
I feel like I have given you the answers to that but I guess you all need them spelled right out, that is ok...

laters

Hey...whenever you complete the revisions and rationalizations necessary to "answer" the questions....

...we will be here to hear you out.

You've dodged the questions for so long...waiting a while longer shouldn't be a problem.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Frank, The whole thing begins with another Adam and Eve. LOL

Laugh if you will. There was only one Adam and Eve. They messed up, remember?

I say it was a set-up...and that, according to your Bible, they did not know right from wrong...good from evil.

Even though your Bible backs me up completely...you argue that they "had free will" and some kind of innate knowledge of right and wrong...even though your Bible says they didn't.

And you invoke their "free will."

Now you tell us that when you go to heaven...you have no chance of ever subsequently going to hell.

We've asked about the free will.

You are dodging the question.

Gosh you are thick. I DID NOT say that they had some kind of innate knowledge of right and wrong...at least not before the tree of knowledge incident. If they had that knowledge prior, why would they have done it?
Having your free will and having knowledge are not the same thing.

A soul must reach the perfection that God requires in order to go to heaven. If you make it to heaven, you WILL NOT be going to hell.

I don't see what is so difficult to understand.

What question am I dodging. I was merely responding to something that CI wrote.

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Intrepid wrote:

Gosh you are thick.

No...not at all. I'm very reasonable....and logical.

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I DID NOT say that they had some kind of innate knowledge of right and wrong...at least not before the tree of knowledge incident.

Okay...then you are on my side. I say they did not know right from wrong.

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If they had that knowledge prior, why would they have done it?

Lots of folks know right from wrong...and choose to do wrong. So I am not sure of what your question is all about.

But if they did not know right from wrong....

...what in the hell did your god punish them for?

They did not know there was anything wrong with what they were doing. Why did they...and all the rest of humanity...get punished?

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Having your free will and having knowledge are not the same thing.

I know that.

But how can anyone do anything "wrong" without free will?

It seems to me that you were part of the group that was arguing that Adam and Eve had to be punished because they were exercising their free will to disobey.

I was arguing that since the had been denied the knowledge of what was right and wrong...it made no sense to punish them. I called it a set-up...a sting.

Why weren't you chiming in on my side?

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A soul must reach the perfection that God requires in order to go to heaven. If you make it to heaven, you WILL NOT be going to hell.

Supposedly...Adam and Eve were perfect.

But they screwed up...by succumbing to the sting your god set them up for.

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I don't see what is so difficult to understand.

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I don't see what is so difficult to see what I am saying.

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What question am I dodging. I was merely responding to something that CI wrote.

You are dodging ci's question about what happens to this wonderful gift of free will your god gave you?

If you go to heaven without any chance of ever going to hell....it must mean you no longer have free will.

You know damn well what we are asking...and you apparently are going to try to dodge it by blurring the question as best you can.

ANYONE WITH FREE WILL....can choose to disobey...or sin...or f**k up...whatever it is you want to call it.

Even a "perfect" person...like Adam and Eve...could screw up by exercising their free will.

ci's question is...does your god take your free will away when you get to heaven?

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Setanta wrote:

I don't for a moment believe that the millions of people in this country with religious conviction are bigots. That is why i specifically used the term "religionist," which means someone who is a proponent of religion, as opposed to those who simply practice a religion. Those who insist on foisting the practice of religion on others are the bigots, and it is to them that i refer. I also do not believe that there are anything like millions, let alone tens of millions, of religionists in this country.

So it's ok for you to promote your views, but not ok for religious folks to promote their views?

Yes for you see, Setanta and the Setantites simply practice "free speech"; those bad guy religious folk "foist" their views on others. (Those wascally wabbits !!)

Ah yes "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

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Frank Apisa wrote:

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ci's question is...does your god take your free will away when you get to heaven?

Of course, I have no way to know the actual answer to this. I will e-mail you when/if I get there.

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"...when/if I get there." I got good news and bad news for you, Intrepid. The good news is you'll die like everybody else and rot after the bugs take over your body. The bad news is, your body and whatever you call spirit (your brain activity) will disappear for eternity after you quit breathing for the last time. All the time and effort you wasted in thinking there is life after death is for naught. there is no god and there is no heaven or hell. It's only us and this planet earth.

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Of course, that is only your opinion. I am sure that you have faith that you are right.

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It's not faith that makes me believe I am right. It's the obvious errors, omissions, and contradictions of religion. To believe in any religion, one must sacrifice logic and science.

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Christianity is about sacrifice

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cicerone imposter wrote:

It's not faith that makes me believe I am right.

cicerone imposter wrote:

It's the obvious errors, omissions, and contradictions of religion.

cicerone imposter wrote:

To believe in any religion, one must sacrifice logic and science.

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If you must sacrifice logic and science, that's your choice to remain a christian. Awful big sacrifice for keeping faith with a religion that promises much, but offers nothing in return except discrimination against gays and lesbians and approving slavery. Have you stoned anyone lately for not keeping the faith?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

If you must sacrifice logic and science, that's your choice to remain a christian. Awful big sacrifice for keeping faith with a religion that promises much, but offers nothing in return except discrimination against gays and lesbians and approving slavery. Have you stoned anyone lately for not keeping the faith?

CI.. Is it a reading or comprehension problem? Do you not think that a Christian can also embrace science? Your logic is beyond belief. You are so hateful toward anything Christian that you make statements that y0ou have no idea about. I am a Christian...I do not descriminate against "gays and lesbians" (your words) and I do not approve of slavery. When was the last time that you ever heard of a stoning. Other than the verbal stoning that you partake in of Christians.

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I know, you love gays and lesbians, but don't approve of the sinful liffestyle. That's the reason the fundamental christians in this country doesn't allow gay marriage. FYI, unequal treatment for any reason is called "discrimination."

Fundametnalist christians are also trying to include ID into our educational system. ID is not science.

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Intrepid,

If you are looking for Imposter's logic, remember he told us:

It's not faith that makes him believe he's right.

It's all those contradictory folks. Laughing

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I know, you love gays and lesbians, but don't approve of the sinful liffestyle. That's the reason the fundamental christians in this country doesn't allow gay marriage. FYI, unequal treatment for any reason is called "discrimination."

Imposter,

Are brothers and sisters allowed to marry?

Are fathers and daughters allowed to marry?

Are adults allowed to marry children?

Why are we so discriminatory?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I know, you love gays and lesbians, but don't approve of the sinful liffestyle. That's the reason the fundamental christians in this country doesn't allow gay marriage. FYI, unequal treatment for any reason is called "discrimination."

Fundametnalist christians are also trying to include ID into our educational system. ID is not science.

CI, you seem to have a very short memory. I have written of this before and I believe that it was in response to one of your tirades.

- I am not a fundamental Christian in your country.
- Canada recognizes same sex marriage
- Are you calling their lifestyle sinful? I certainly did not.
- Why do you discriminate against Christians?
- By your own statistics, you are a very minor minority in your country.
- Do you have a particular point to make, or are you just venting?

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