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Which Religion is the One True Religion?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 12:38 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Is this an example of a intellectually bankrupt statement? Just wondering.[/quote wrote:


Please read timber's response to real life. My response is the same.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 01:01 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Is this an example of a intellectually bankrupt statement? Just wondering.[/quote wrote:


Please read timber's response to real life. My response is the same.


You are so used to tagging along on other people's responses rather than forming your own, that you are now referring to a totally different item. Perhaps if you had left the quote in at the top, you would have known what I was referring to. I will re-quote for your edification.

cicerone imposter wrote in response to a reply from Timber:
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You call it "intellectually bankrupt ploy." I call it "intellectual masterbation." They will continue to "ejaculate" their stupid sperm/seed until they die.


To which I replied:
Is this an example of a intellectually bankrupt statement? Just wondering.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 02:21 pm
I really don't give a rat's ass one way or the other. My answer speaks for itself.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 02:34 pm
Yes it does.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 08:04 pm
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:

Read Back Frank you are missing one or two of my posts...

I will repost them if you cannot find them...


Before posting the last time, I went back and read EVERY ONE of your posts since I asked those questions.

I DEFY YOU TO LINK ME TO A POST OF YOURS THAT RESPONDS TO MY REQUEST FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN HOW YOUR GOD FEELS ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL CONDUCT....OR HOW YOUR GOD FEELS ABOUT SLAVERY.

I DEFY YOU TO DO THAT!


Frank you have got to be blind you didn't read my posts...
Read them again...

You just will not concede that something written on the OT can be changed or "revealed" by something in the NT.

You do not see the connectedness and spiritual evolution that happens in the scope of the Bible...

OT law was nearly blind because of the original sin... this was Adam and Eve's doing not God's... God tried to help the best he could (law) in a bad situation... This same God had a plan of redemption and initiated that plan in Jesus Christ... does that sound like a barbarian?


HOW DOES YOUR GOD FEEL ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL CONDUCT...AND HOW DOES YOUR GOD FEEL ABOUT SLAVERY?

They are not tough questions, Rex.

Stop dodging them...or at least acknowledge that you have not answered them.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 08:06 pm
Intrepid wrote:
The New Testament is just that...New. The Old Testament is as the name implies...Old.

Jesus was sent to bring the love to man to lead us to redemption while replacing the harshness of the OLD ways as described in the Old Testament.

Those that use the Old Testament as their sole means of disputing Christianity are doing so because there is text that they can easily use to show how harsh God could be at that time.


It does a hell of a lot more than that, Intrepid. It shows the god of the Bible to be all the things I say it is....and none of the things you claim it is.

And the god of the Old Testament...and the laws of the Old Testament...are the god Jesus worshipped...and the laws Jesus said still hold.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 08:09 pm
By the way, Rex, I noticed you also dodged my other queston:

Another question you might consider, Rex, is...

...why is it that whenever I ask about what your god is like...

...you quote what Paul or John claim your god is like, rather than actually citing an example of your god being the good, kind, humanity loving being you say it is?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 08:13 pm
quote="Intrepid"]The New Testament is just that...New. The Old Testament is as the name implies...Old.

Jesus was sent to bring the love to man to lead us to redemption while replacing the harshness of the OLD ways as described in the Old Testament.

Those that use the Old Testament as their sole means of disputing Christianity are doing so because there is text that they can easily use to show how harsh God could be at that time.[/quote]

This is a very good example of intellectual masterbation. It refutes the part of the bible you seem to disagree with, and make excuses for it.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 09:08 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Abrahamic Mythopaeia
I've googled and Yahooed, but can't find the term; so I would hesitate to take you up on your question. There are, however, many references in the bible to the persons, times and events you are asking about.

As far as the perceived differences between the Jehovah of the OT and the Jehovah of the NT: Remember that, according to the bible, there would have been no war, no crime, no sickness or death; no slavery, no divorce, no polygamy and no oppressive priesthood had it not been for the sins of Adam and Eve. And, there could be no remedy in place until the life and sacrifice of Jesus. So, the apparent harshness of the OT represents God's understanding of the consequences of sin. It also provides ample comparison between the effects of sin and the loving kindness of the God Jesus worshipped.

Jesus' life and death opened the way for God to fulfil the promise made at Genesis 3:15: that Satan's work would be undone and all who never knew God would have a chance to experience the life that Adam lost.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 09:17 pm
Intrepid wrote:

The New Testament is just that...New. The Old Testament is as the name implies...Old.

That makes sense. I am with you so far.

Intrepid wrote:
Jesus was sent to bring the love to man to lead us to redemption while replacing the harshness of the OLD ways as described in the Old Testament.

This is where you completely lose me. Why would God need to send anyone to change his own harsh ways? And then why the need to torture and sacrifice the one he sent? You say that was a show of love? How do you explain to yourself the reason for this sudden change in Bible God? Anger management training? Prozac? Multiple personality disorder?

Intrepid wrote:
Those that use the Old Testament as their sole means of disputing Christianity are doing so because there is text that they can easily use to show how harsh God could be at that time.


You have got that right. Here we have stories that span thousands of years, describing absolutely horrific behavior on the part of Bible God. Then along comes the new guy. We get a whole new set of stories covering a span of just a few short years, stories written many years after his death and everyone jumps on the new bandwagon.

Now you have the best of both worlds. You can screw up big time and still have salvation, and you can still dip back into the old book to reinforce pet prejudices and bigotry.

What kind of mental contortions does it take to swallow this stuff?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 09:23 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
quote="Intrepid"]The New Testament is just that...New. The Old Testament is as the name implies...Old.

Jesus was sent to bring the love to man to lead us to redemption while replacing the harshness of the OLD ways as described in the Old Testament.

Those that use the Old Testament as their sole means of disputing Christianity are doing so because there is text that they can easily use to show how harsh God could be at that time.


This is a very good example of intellectual masterbation. It refutes the part of the bible you seem to disagree with, and make excuses for it. [/quote]

I have not stated that I disagree with anything and I have not made any excuses for it. I merely gave an example. I do not dispute that there is harshness in the Old Testament. I do not make excuses for it. It is there. I am merely trying to explain how things changed with the New Testament and Jesus Christ. Twisting my words does not make you right.

If I may suggest...please learn to use the quote function correctly so there is no doubt as to who said what.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 09:27 pm
mesquite wrote:
Intrepid wrote:

The New Testament is just that...New. The Old Testament is as the name implies...Old.

That makes sense. I am with you so far.

Intrepid wrote:
Jesus was sent to bring the love to man to lead us to redemption while replacing the harshness of the OLD ways as described in the Old Testament.

This is where you completely lose me. Why would God need to send anyone to change his own harsh ways? And then why the need to torture and sacrifice the one he sent? You say that was a show of love? How do you explain to yourself the reason for this sudden change in Bible God? Anger management training? Prozac? Multiple personality disorder?

Intrepid wrote:
Those that use the Old Testament as their sole means of disputing Christianity are doing so because there is text that they can easily use to show how harsh God could be at that time.


You have got that right. Here we have stories that span thousands of years, describing absolutely horrific behavior on the part of Bible God. Then along comes the new guy. We get a whole new set of stories covering a span of just a few short years, stories written many years after his death and everyone jumps on the new bandwagon.

Now you have the best of both worlds. You can screw up big time and still have salvation, and you can still dip back into the old book to reinforce pet prejudices and bigotry.

What kind of mental contortions does it take to swallow this stuff?
neologist wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
Abrahamic Mythopaeia
I've googled and Yahooed, but can't find the term; so I would hesitate to take you up on your question. There are, however, many references in the bible to the persons, times and events you are asking about.

As far as the perceived differences between the Jehovah of the OT and the Jehovah of the NT: Remember that, according to the bible, there would have been no war, no crime, no sickness or death; no slavery, no divorce, no polygamy and no oppressive priesthood had it not been for the sins of Adam and Eve. And, there could be no remedy in place until the life and sacrifice of Jesus. So, the apparent harshness of the OT represents God's understanding of the consequences of sin. It also provides ample comparison between the effects of sin and the loving kindness of the God Jesus worshipped.

Jesus' life and death opened the way for God to fulfil the promise made at Genesis 3:15: that Satan's work would be undone and all who never knew God would have a chance to experience the life that Adam lost.
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real life
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 10:55 pm
mesquite wrote:
Then along comes the new guy. We get a whole new set of stories covering a span of just a few short years, stories written many years after his death..................



How would you have proposed that they write the stories of Jesus' death BEFORE His death?

The gospels were all written in the generation AFTER His death. So your point is?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 11:20 pm
mesquite wrote:

Now you have the best of both worlds. You can screw up big time and still have salvation, and you can still dip back into the old book to reinforce pet prejudices and bigotry.


Not to say the rest of your post wasn't good......but this comment is spectacular and 100% right on target.

I ask neologist, rexred, real life, and your ilk how you would respond directly to this quote?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2005 12:29 am
maporsche wrote:
mesquite wrote:

Now you have the best of both worlds. You can screw up big time and still have salvation, and you can still dip back into the old book to reinforce pet prejudices and bigotry.


Not to say the rest of your post wasn't good......but this comment is spectacular and 100% right on target.

I ask neologist, rexred, real life, and your ilk how you would respond directly to this quote?


Who said you would have salvation by "screwing up big time"? Do you know what the road to salvation is? Pet prejudices and bigotry are not the way.

Why is this comment "spectacular and 100% on target? What is the target? Furthermore, what is the point?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2005 01:48 am
No one here has said that you would have salvation by "screwing up big time." What you have there, Intrepid, is your classic straw man.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2005 06:35 am
Out with the old in with the new. How has the 2000 years after the appearance of Jesus been any better than those that came before? Is this how your God forgives by continued war, massacre, genocide, holocausts and murder?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2005 06:37 am
au1929 wrote:
Out with the old in with the new. How has the 2000 years after the appearance of Jesus been any better than those that came before? Is this how your God forgives by continued war, massacre, genocide, holocausts and murder?


You blame God for man's choice of what he is doing?
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2005 07:04 am
I do not blame God for anything. It just puts a lie to the Christian myth. What was the coming of Jesus supposed to accomplish? Peace on earth, swords into plowshares, the end of tyranny or wiping the slate clean so that man could start from scratch and commit all the crimes again.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2005 09:36 am
I called upon the LORD... I asked the LORD to teach me so that I may be pleasing in the site of God...

I was then translated to a room with a window and several furnishings... I instinctively opened the window as I walked around the room noticing the contents suddenly a bird flew in through the window.

I immediately went to catch the bird so I could allow it to fly back out through the window. I easily caught the bird like it trusted me and let me place my hands around it's fragile body... I moved back over to the window and set the bird on the sill and motioned for it to fly away. Yet the bird just stood there to take one last glance at me before it would fly away.

Without warning the window came slamming down and fell upon the little birds back. I noticed the bird looking up at me with such disappointment. I could not bare the sadness as I opened window and picked the crushed nearly lifeless bird up in my hands. I set the bird on the sill again and motioned for it to fly away. This time I held the window from falling yet the bird just sat there.

In remorse I picked the bird up again and noticed a small wooden box on a table next to the window. I looked around the room but there was no cage for this bird... So I found a small piece of cloth and I placed the bird on the cloth and laid it inside the box.

As I went to close the box the lid slipped out of my fingers and slammed down on the box. When I lifted the lid I saw that now the birds head was all bloody... The bird had tried to pick up it's head and look out of the box while I was shutting the box.
The bird now lay lifeless in the box with glazed eyes holding the expression, why me?

The LORD spoke to my heart...
When the holy spirit dove flies into your heart, do not open a window and let the world come down on it and break it's back. Do not lock it up tight in a box that the lid may slam down upon it's head but hold it near to your heart and feel it's life beating within your hands and never let it depart...
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