Which Religion is the One True Religion?

Amigo wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Amigo wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Amigo wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Amigo wrote:
Religion is a product of man not god.It is as flawed and self-rightous as men.So I believe there can be no one true Religon.None of them could be totally right.Only god is perfect.Religion is not an answer it's a barrier.

What would you prefer a barrier between you and people or a barrier between you and God?
I don't prefer either but if I had to I would choose a barrier between me and god.It would be selfish to choose god over people. We the living. Thats what matters, not god.What point are you trying to demonsrate

Yea, let's ignore our creator so we can pretend we are Gods...

Then we don't have to worry about the "self-righteous" Bible... (sarcasm)

Ro 10:3
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Php 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Why does god give us the power of logic and reason and then ask us to abandon it. Are you saying I can't be right without god.I know murder is wrong with or without god. Only I understand it is wrong without blind faith. What if god tells me to kill the infidels?Is that rightous? Now I'm self-rightous and pretending to be god because I don't like religion.You have judged me I have not judged you.Through your bible I have been judged for thinking.

We are born with the "nature" of the world... [things get worse and worse or corrupt]

We need to receive the "nature" of God... [things get better and better]

2Pe 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Comment:

The emphasis is not to make ourselves good for God... but, we rescue God from the sin placed on him by the world and render God holy
Again the emphasis is not to make ourselves holy before Christ and confess all of our sins... but, we confess the saviour from sin...

We do not have our own righteousness but the righteousness of God...
Oh, how holy and rightous you are to rescue god (No less) from us stupid,blind sinners.Will you please let me burn in hell forever for placing my filthy sin on god? I'm not like you. Your belittlement and judgement has made me see the light. God should give you a sword so you can save him from the world,Make the world right. You are divine we are savages. "The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad" -Friedrich Nietzsche

narcissism.the sin of loving the world.

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RexRed wrote:

Amigo wrote:
men are the authers of the bible.Your quoting men.

Holy men...

Self proclaimed holy men. And what of the pagan myths that made it into the Bible?

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Amigo wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Amigo wrote:
men are the authers of the bible.Your quoting men.

Holy men...
Self proclaimed holy men. And what of the pagan myths that made it into the Bible?

What of the Bible that made it into the pagan myths?

Well the Bible's holy words are still around... and believed...

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My Brains going to blow up. See you later.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I really think you christians have it way over Frank in term of your actions. Your homophobic bigotry against gays and lesbians is much worse than the verbal views expressed by Frank. Christians can't see it, but it's wrong to discriminate against any human, for reasons explained in the bible. Human equality should come first - even before the bible. The bible comes out about dead-last in my books. Anything that teaches discrimination is wrong.

Really? Aren't you the guy who continually trashes Bush as unfit for the Presidency chiefly based on his Christian belief? So why is religious discrimination OK with you?

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maporsche wrote:

Amigo wrote:

"The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad" -Friedrich Nietzsche

I love IT. Nietzsche is a genius.

What an idiotic quote. The world is bad because Christians looked for bad things?

I would put societies that have been dominated and heavily influenced by Christianity for centuries (Europe and America, for instance) up against societies that have been dominated and heavily influenced by other major religions of the world ( Islam in the Middle East countries, Buddhism and Hinduism in Asia) ---Any time.

Europe and America, for all their faults (and they are obviously many, no utopias ) have produced far freer societies, a far greater standard of living for their peoples, far more contributions to the world in terms of scientific advancement, medicine, inventions, etc. than the other countries of the world combined.

The devils that Nietzsche supposes Christians to be are a fragment of his own imagination. But then , he was a legend in his own mind.

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RexRed wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
How can you hate something that doesn't exist?

That is my exact question...
Frank is not an agnostic he is a paradox.

No, a paradox is two doctors.

Frank only played one in a movie.

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real life, you never cease to amuse. Just wanna let you know how much I appreciate the entertainment. Its amazing to me you cannot see how thoroughly you destroy the proposition you argue, but what the heck - you're good at that, anyway.

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timberlandko wrote:

real life, you never cease to amuse. Just wanna let you know how much I appreciate the entertainment. Its amazing to me you cannot see how thoroughly you destroy the proposition you argue, but what the heck - you're good at that, anyway.

Can't you be a little more vague? If you get too specific you might actually have to do more than chime in "gee you can't argue well" and mumble in Latin.

BTW where's the Latin today?

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Gotta admire your consistency. You're indefatigable.

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I've just been talking with Joe Sixpack about Aquinas' writings. He and I are of the opinion that they transcend the understanding of ordinary folks, not exactly what God had in mind when He inspired the bible as a book for everyone.
"Saint" Thomas also championed many unscriptural teachings such as:
immortality of the soul;
worship of images;
death sentence for heresy;
evil is necessary, etc.

Methinks too much of a brain is not a good thing. I mean; look what Frank's genius did to this thread: http://able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1503880#1503880

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Touché, Neo - sorta. Looks to me as though that shutdown was a team effort.

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"Methinks too much of a brain is not a good thing."

On this, I agree 100 percent. LOL My motto has always been, "keep it simple."

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neologist wrote:

I've just been talking with Joe Sixpack about Aquinas' writings. He and I are of the opinion that they transcend the understanding of ordinary folks, not exactly what God had in mind when He inspired the bible as a book for everyone.
"Saint" Thomas also championed many unscriptural teachings such as:
immortality of the soul;
worship of images;
death sentence for heresy;
evil is necessary, etc.

Methinks too much of a brain is not a good thing. I mean; look what Frank's genius did to this thread: http://able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1503880#1503880

Yeah too bad. The thread could've taken an interesting turn. Frank comparing Tico to terrorists on the basis of belief.........

What about Frank's similarity to the terrorists based on actual behavior that is observable and verifiable?

Frank eats food. So do terrorists.

Frank wears clothes. So do terrorists.

Frank sleeps. So do terrorists.

Frank talks with folks during each day. So do terrorists.

Are ya getting my drift here?

Hey Frank, can we , uh , have a word with you? Just for a sec...................(don't get him too upset)............(he might start to breathe, just like terrorists do.)

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neologist wrote:

I've just been talking with Joe Sixpack about Aquinas' writings. He and I are of the opinion that they transcend the understanding of ordinary folks, not exactly what God had in mind when He inspired the bible as a book for everyone.
"Saint" Thomas also championed many unscriptural teachings such as:
immortality of the soul;
worship of images;
death sentence for heresy;
evil is necessary, etc.

Aquinas' writings were advanced for his day. Today, most of what he wrote is quietly sublimated by the Church. Even a first year philosophy student can poke huge holes in his arguments.

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Methinks too much of a brain is not a good thing. I mean; look what Frank's genius did to this thread: http://able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1503880#1503880

Ahhh...you must have missed the others involved.

Don't give me all the credit.

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real life wrote:

neologist wrote:
I've just been talking with Joe Sixpack about Aquinas' writings. He and I are of the opinion that they transcend the understanding of ordinary folks, not exactly what God had in mind when He inspired the bible as a book for everyone.
"Saint" Thomas also championed many unscriptural teachings such as:
immortality of the soul;
worship of images;
death sentence for heresy;
evil is necessary, etc.

Methinks too much of a brain is not a good thing. I mean; look what Frank's genius did to this thread: http://able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1503880#1503880

Yeah too bad. The thread could've taken an interesting turn. Frank comparing Tico to terrorists on the basis of belief.........

It was argument against that kind of simplistic, strawman building nonsense that played a part in the thread being shut down.

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What about Frank's similarity to the terrorists based on actual behavior that is observable and verifiable?

Frank eats food. So do terrorists.

Frank wears clothes. So do terrorists.

Frank sleeps. So do terrorists.

Frank talks with folks during each day. So do terrorists.

Are ya getting my drift here?

Yeah. And you are correct. There are similarities.

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Hey Frank, can we , uh , have a word with you? Just for a sec...................(don't get him too upset)............(he might start to breathe, just like terrorists do.)

I'm breathing. No problem.

Do you have a point?

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timberlandko wrote:

Touché, Neo - sorta. Looks to me as though that shutdown was a team effort.

For all of my venomous posts, I am sincerely sorry.

'Scuse me now while I go inspect my new shipment of whips. Laughing

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Frank, you don't seem to perceive that standing in total opposition to "God" is the biggest straw man of all...

Is it the shock value you are after?

You reason in your head that because there are so many denominations there must be no God. That is like saying because there is so much light the true light cannot be known.

Yet the wisdom of God eludes you... there are different spectrums of light.

There are two Gods in power and power is needed to recognize the truth.
You reject God so you ultimately reject or ignore the power that is required to discern the true God.

Some people own a car and only go in to honk the horn, some learn to operate the car proficiently. The same is with the holy spirit. Some have been born of spirit yet they do not operate it.

1 Corinthians 12
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he [the man/woman] will.

Comment:
The true God "never" possesses a soul.

Listed above are the nine manifestations (erroneously called "gifts") of the spirit.

One must receive the "holy" spirit before they can "manifest" it...

To manifest is to (by the believers own will) bring into external concretion the result of the internal presence and reality of the holy spirit within. Smile

One must receive holy spirit in order to manifest it...

See Frank, if you were more interested in seeing the actual logic of the Bible you would know why there are so many versions of Christian/Muslim/Jewish etc religions...

Christianity is the most divided religion because it has the most truth and it has a REAL adversary/devil/satan that has REAL spiritual power to deceive and mislead (you and others)... the presence of so many religions is proof of power...

Just because there are so many religions doesn't mean that God doesn't have a true way...

I might mention that the word "to" in the verse above is supplied wrong...
It is supposed to be the word "for"...

...and the word "another" does not refer back to a person... but it relates back to the word "profit" in the verse before...

So the verse should be understand wherever the word "to" is it should be inserted "for another profit" Profit not prophet...

That Christians find spiritual profit in the spirit is the purpose. This is how to prove God...

No, the truth of this verse was uncovered by people who walk by the spirit and they treat the word with care and trust. How can the word speak truth if one approaches it with their mind made up before reading it. They premise the reading with the thought that it is just a book written by men. If you are looking for human logic you will find it... To prove the book it needs to be studied and researched to see if there is an architecture and power that it truly does inherently and inerantly supply.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost [spirit], whom the Father will send in my name, he [it] shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Comment:
The holy ghost is not a ghost floating around but it is "the gift of holy spirit" that God creates in every born again believer... The spirit is not a "he", but an "it"...

The holy spirit is not a "person" but it is power to operate the nine manifestations of the spirit listed above.

When one operates any one of the manifestations it is proof of the internal reality and presence of the holy spirit..

One CANNOT manifest the spirit without the spirit. God has "spiritual" laws...

Once the holy spirit is created within a believer it can never be corrupted/slain/removed/made to sin etc....

It can be operated within the guidelines of the verse listing them above and other verses in the Holy Bible which clarify the use and operation of the holy spirit.

God is the Giver, Holy Spirit and God gives... holy spirit.

When one reads through the original sins and the laws and the sacrifices they come to Christ and the power of the holy spirit and a choice whether to love God or the devil.

1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

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Frank is gonna get "born again" on the internet. Smile

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