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Which Religion is the One True Religion?

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:31 am
Obviously, Rex - you can't see how silly your argument is - "In order to have faith, you have to have faith" - that's what you're saying, and its the ultimate in circular reasoning. It simply makes no sense whatsoever.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:51 am
Now when has making sense ever been one of Rex's priorities . . . really, Big Bird, lighten up . . .

I was driving home early sunday morning through Bakersfield
Listening to gospel music on the colored radio station
And the preacher said, you know you always have the
Lord by your side

And I was so pleased to be informed of this that I ran
Twenty red lights in his honor
Thank you Jesus, thank you Lord

Well the preacher kept right on saying that all I had to do was send
Ten dollars to the Church of the Sacred Bleeding Heart of Jesus
Located somewhere in Los Angeles, California
And next week they'd say my prayer on the radio
And all my dreams would come true ! ! !
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:44 am
RexRed wrote:
Frank, you don't seem to perceive that standing in total opposition to "God" is the biggest straw man of all...

Is it the shock value you are after?

You reason in your head that because there are so many denominations there must be no God. That is like saying because there is so much light the true light cannot be known.

Yet the wisdom of God eludes you... there are different spectrums of light.

There are two Gods in power and power is needed to recognize the truth.
You reject God so you ultimately reject or ignore the power that is required to discern the true God.


Because a mass of people believe in A god (not THE god), does not give credence to your particular religion.

You claim to know that your god is the one TRUE god, which logically means the other gods are FALSE gods. You claim that your reading of the scripture is the only TRUE way it can be read, which logically means other readings are FALSE.

I agree that there can be "different spectrums of light". But spectrums of light don't claim to be the ONLY CORRECT or RIGHT spectrum of light. Religions DO make this claim. THAT is why your RELIGION is FALSE and CORRUPT.

God, if there is such a being, has NOTHING to do with ANY religion. I believe YOU do not KNOW god if you are following christianity.

How can god (and I am not talking about your god) create a world so full of logic and structure and then ask everyone to throw it out the window.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:49 am
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:24 pm
RexRed wrote:
Frank, you don't seem to perceive that standing in total opposition to "God" is the biggest straw man of all...

Is it the shock value you are after?

You reason in your head that because there are so many denominations there must be no God. That is like saying because there is so much light the true light cannot be known.

Yet the wisdom of God eludes you... there are different spectrums of light.

There are two Gods in power and power is needed to recognize the truth.
You reject God so you ultimately reject or ignore the power that is required to discern the true God.

Some people own a car and only go in to honk the horn, some learn to operate the car proficiently. The same is with the holy spirit. Some have been born of spirit yet they do not operate it.

1 Corinthians 12
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he [the man/woman] will.

Comment:
The true God "never" possesses a soul.

Listed above are the nine manifestations (erroneously called "gifts") of the spirit.

One must receive the "holy" spirit before they can "manifest" it...

To manifest is to (by the believers own will) bring into external concretion the result of the internal presence and reality of the holy spirit within. Smile

One must receive holy spirit in order to manifest it...

See Frank, if you were more interested in seeing the actual logic of the Bible you would know why there are so many versions of Christian/Muslim/Jewish etc religions...

Christianity is the most divided religion because it has the most truth and it has a REAL adversary/devil/satan that has REAL spiritual power to deceive and mislead (you and others)... the presence of so many religions is proof of power...

Just because there are so many religions doesn't mean that God doesn't have a true way...

I might mention that the word "to" in the verse above is supplied wrong...
It is supposed to be the word "for"...

...and the word "another" does not refer back to a person... but it relates back to the word "profit" in the verse before...

So the verse should be understand wherever the word "to" is it should be inserted "for another profit" Profit not prophet...

That Christians find spiritual profit in the spirit is the purpose. This is how to prove God...

No, the truth of this verse was uncovered by people who walk by the spirit and they treat the word with care and trust. How can the word speak truth if one approaches it with their mind made up before reading it. They premise the reading with the thought that it is just a book written by men. If you are looking for human logic you will find it... To prove the book it needs to be studied and researched to see if there is an architecture and power that it truly does inherently and inerantly supply.


John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost [spirit], whom the Father will send in my name, he [it] shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Comment:
The holy ghost is not a ghost floating around but it is "the gift of holy spirit" that God creates in every born again believer... The spirit is not a "he", but an "it"...

The holy spirit is not a "person" but it is power to operate the nine manifestations of the spirit listed above.

When one operates any one of the manifestations it is proof of the internal reality and presence of the holy spirit..

One CANNOT manifest the spirit without the spirit. God has "spiritual" laws...

Once the holy spirit is created within a believer it can never be corrupted/slain/removed/made to sin etc....

It can be operated within the guidelines of the verse listing them above and other verses in the Holy Bible which clarify the use and operation of the holy spirit.

God is the Giver, Holy Spirit and God gives... holy spirit.

When one reads through the original sins and the laws and the sacrifices they come to Christ and the power of the holy spirit and a choice whether to love God or the devil.

1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


Earth calling Rex...Earth calling Rex.

I am an agnostic, Rex. I have no idea if there is a God...AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT KNOW IF THERE ARE NO GODS.

Have as many gods as you want.

But every indication is that you are guessing.

As for the "god" described in the Bible...well...I would have a much easier time worshipping Zeus or Wodin or Osiris...or Elvis Presley than that god.

What could I tell ya?

The god is a no-goodnik in my book....and all this rationalizing and revision does not change that one whit.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:56 pm
Setanta wrote:
Now when has making sense ever been one of Rex's priorities . . . really, Big Bird, lighten up . . .

I was driving home early sunday morning through Bakersfield
Listening to gospel music on the colored radio station
And the preacher said, you know you always have the
Lord by your side ....


I don't care if it rains or freezes
's long as I've got my Plastic Jesus
Glued to the dashboard of my car,
You can buy Him phosphorescent
Glows in the dark, He's Pink and Pleasant,
Take Him with you when you're travelling far.

I don't care if it's dark or scary,
Long as I have magnetic Mary,
Ridin' on the dashboard of my car,
I feel I'm protected amply,
I've got the whole damn Holy Family,
Riding on the dashboard of my car.

You can buy a Sweet Madonna
Dressed in rhinestones sitting on a
Pedestal of abalone shell,
Goin' ninety, I'm not wary
'Cause I've got my Virgin Mary,
Guaranteeing I won't go to Hell.

I don't care if it bumps or jostles
Long as I got the Twelve Apostles
Bolted to the dashboard of my car
Don't I have a pious mess
Such a crowd of holiness
Strung across the dashboard of my car

No, I don't care if it rains or freezes,
Long as I have my plastic Jesus,
Riding on the dashboard of my car,
But I think he'll have to go,
His magnet ruins my radio,
And if we have a wreck he'll leave a scar.

Riding through the thoroughfare, with his nose up in the air
A wreck may be ahead, but he don't mind
Trouble coming, he don't see, he just keeps his eyes on me
And any other thing that lies behind
Plastic Jesus, Plastic Jesus, riding on the dashboard of my car
Though the sun shines on his back makes him peel, chip, and crack
A little patching keeps him up to par

When pedestrians try to cross I let them know whose boss
I never blow my horn or give them warning
I ride all over town, trying to run them down
And it's seldom that they live to see the morning
Plastic Jesus, Plastic Jesus Riding on the dashboard of my car
His halo fits just right and I use it as a sight
And they'll scatter or they'll splatter near and far

When I'm in a traffic jam he don't care if I say Damn
I can let all sorts of curses roll
Plastic Jesus doesn't hear, for he has a plastic ear
The man who invented plastic saved my soul
Plastic Jesus, Plastic Jesus riding on the dashboard of my car
Once his robe was snowy white, now it isn't quite so bright
Stained by the smoke of my cigar

God made Christ a Holy Jew
God made Him a Christian too
Paradoxes populate my car
Joseph beams with a feigned elan
From the shaggy dash of my furlined van
Famous cuckold in the master plan;

Naughty Mary, smug and smiling,
Jesus dainty and beguiling
Knee-deep in the piling of my van;
His message clear by night or day
My phosphorescent plastic Gay
Simpering from the dashboard of my van.

When I'm goin' fornicatin'
I got my ceramic Satan
Sinnin' on the dashboard of my Winnebago Motor Home
The women know I'm on the level
Thanks to the wild-eyed stoneware devil
Ridin' on the dashboard of my ...
Sneerin' from the dashboard of my ...
Leering from the dashboard of my van.

If I weave around at night
And the police think I'm tight,
They'll never find my bottle, though they ask;
plastic Jesus shelters me,
For His head comes off, you see--
He's hollow, and I use Him for a flask.

Plastic Jesus, plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car:
Ride with me and have a dram,
Of the blood of the Lamb,
Plastic Jesus is a holy bar.


Rolling Eyes Laughing Rolling Eyes Laughing Rolling Eyes Laughing Rolling Eyes
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 02:09 pm
I do so appreciate the poetic interludes. Short story on its way.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 02:26 pm
Chinese couple in bed making love.

They've been married for over 30 years...and the guy decides he want to see if he can spice things up a bit.

"Why don't we try 69 for a change?" he asks.

"You want chicken with broccoli NOW?????" she responds incredulously.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 02:55 pm
You all know I am set in my ways, so I guess this should come as no surprise. I awoke this morning to discover I had become a fossil. Snivel. http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/crybaby.gifthis is so hard to admit. Then I emailed all my friends and this is what they said:
Joe Sixpack wrote:
Set here fer a while and I'll pop ya a brewski, neo.

SetMatchGame wrote:
The nation of Fossilonia was said to have occupied an area of Asia Minor between a rock and a hard place. Concrete evidence is lacking, however.

auh2o wrote:
I once knew a fossil named Morris
Who'd been eaten by tyrannosaurus
And while he was restin
Within the intestine
He thought of this poem just to bore us.

farmerlogical wrote:
The fossilized remains of petrified geezers have been found in excavations from the Alzheimoic era, which corresponds with the first known appearance of the shrinkosaur. . .
Joe Nay Shonuf wrote:
You're just stonewalling us, neo.
Joe (Gravel in my gut) Nay Shonuf

real smart wrote:
God's will is mysterious and set in stone.

fossilized imposter wrote:
What should we have expected from such an inflexible God? I hate this.

mosquito wrote:
Fossils are peaceful rocks. Fossils don't attack each other. Fossils don't develop weapons of mass destruction.

tim baldeagle wrote:
This is a perfect example of argumentum ad fossilarium.

my porsche wrote:
Just because you believe you are a fossil does not mean that fossils exist.

Phee nix zip wrote:
There could be worse things. You could be a green fossil.

xing xing wrote:
Fossilization is necessary in the progression of the soul to the light. Next will be a cocoon like state after which you will emerge as a, er, well, we really don't know.

InForABloop wrote:
So what?

Frank da pisa wrote:
You idiot! Now your body has taken after your petrified brain. What did you expect, you $%$ $#@* %^shole?

Steve as HUH? wrote:
I do not know if your affliction is truly an affliction. I will hit you with this stick. If it breaks, you are a fossil. Hey! Come back here!

In tree pod wrote:
When the species of a being is not clear to you, look at his friends.

WrecksReds wrote:
There are many strata of fossils; Therefore, you exist.
Mo Momma wrote:
I'm sorry if I somehow caused you to fossilize. I can't imagine how, but if there's anything I can do . .

ShyABrick AleHounder wrote:
Fossilization is simply another manifestation of the threefold nature of dweeb.

What I need to know is: Am I normal?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 03:08 pm
Good 'un, Neo - lotsa effort and imagination there.


Pretty much on-point, too.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 03:55 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Obviously, Rex - you can't see how silly your argument is - "In order to have faith, you have to have faith" - that's what you're saying, and its the ultimate in circular reasoning. It simply makes no sense whatsoever.


Good Question timber Smile

You seem to be the only one eager to know more...

You might be interested to know that in the Bible there are different kinds of "faith"...

Did anyone in the chat know this before I just told you?

This just shows that you can pass judgement on the God of the Bible and not know what the Bible even means.

How do you expect to find light if you cloud up you vision?

The Bible says, "by faith Abraham..." "by faith Moses...".

Hebrews 11:23
By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

Hebrews 11:30 - Show Context
By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

Comment:
Then it says...

Galatians 3:23
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Comment:
If some of you were not so busy trying to stroke yourselves you might realize precious moments with your God are passing you by...

"Before faith came" we were kept under the law?

Question:
How could Moses have faith if he wrote the law and if "faith" came "after" the law?

Have you ever wondered why faith is both a manifestation of the spirit and a fruit of the spirit?

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Comment:
Frank still insists Christians are under the law...

Before you pass judgment on a book (or system of belief), do you not think it wise to know what that book says and means first?

To throw out Paul or Moses or any of the other books is to throw out a part of God's holy book...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 03:59 pm
THE TOUCH OF THE MASTER'S HAND

"Twas battered and scarred, and the auctioneer
thought it scarcely worth his while
To waste much time on the old violin,
But held it up with a smile.
"What am I bidden, good folks," he cried,
"Who'll start the bidding for me?"
"A dollar, a dollar," then, two! Only two?
"Two dollars, and who'll make it three?
"Three dollars, once; three dollars, twice;
Going for three . . ." But no,
From the room, far back, a grey-haired man
Came forward and picked up the bow;
Then, wiping the dust from the old violin,
And tightening the loose strings,
He played a melody pure and sweet
As a caroling angel sings.

The music ceased, and the auctioneer,
With a voice that was quiet and low,
Said: "What am I bid for the old violin?"
And he held it up with the bow.
"A thousand dollars, and who'll make it two?
"Two thousand! And who'll make it three?
"Three thousand, once; three thousand, twice;
And going and gone."said he.

The people cheered, but some of them cried,
"We do not quite understand
What changed its worth?" Swift came the reply:
"The touch of a master's hand."

And many a man with life out of tune,
And battered and scarred with sin,
Is auctioned cheap to the thoughtless crowd,
Much like the old violin.
A 'mess of potage,' a glass of wine;
A game - and he travels on.
He is 'going' once, and 'going' twice,
He's 'going' and almost 'gone'.
But the Master comes and the foolish crowd
Never can quite understand
The worth of a soul and the change that's wrought
By the touch of the Master's Hand.


Myra B Welch
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 04:11 pm
RexRed wrote:
Comment: Frank still insists Christians are under the law...


"Frank" doesn't insist that....JESUS CHRIST insists that.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you: UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER OF THE LAW, NOT THE SMALLEST PART OF A LETTER, SHALL BE DONE AWAY WITH UNTIL IT ALL COME TRUE." Matthew 5: 17ff

The ridiculous notion that Jesus Christ came along...and suddenly, all the horseshyt spewed by the god of the Bible no longer applies....is probably the most bizarre and hypocritical in a long line of very bizarre, hypocritical notions of Christianity.


Quote:
Before you pass judgment on a book (or system of belief), do you not think it wise to know what that book says and means first?


I certainly do...but it is even more important not to be a goddam liar, hypocrite, and revisionist...in order to make a book like the Bible say what it does not say.

You, Rex, want to pretend that the Bible does not say what it says.

That is absurd.

Stop passing judgement on how others deal with the Bible. You've got more than enough problems dealing with the way you deal with it.



Quote:
To throw out Paul or Moses or any of the other books is to throw out a part of God's holy book...


Well...it is open to debate as to whether or not the Bible is "God's holy book"...or a book of mostly fiction written by ancient Hebrews....

...but since you seem convinced that it is "God's holy book"....why don't you stop "throwing out" the parts you don't like.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 04:17 pm
"The more I study Religions the more I am convinced that men never worshipped anything but himself. -Sir Richard Francis Burton
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 04:38 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Comment: Frank still insists Christians are under the law...


"Frank" doesn't insist that....JESUS CHRIST insists that.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you: UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER OF THE LAW, NOT THE SMALLEST PART OF A LETTER, SHALL BE DONE AWAY WITH UNTIL IT ALL COME TRUE." Matthew 5: 17ff

The ridiculous notion that Jesus Christ came along...and suddenly, all the horseshyt spewed by the god of the Bible no longer applies....is probably the most bizarre and hypocritical in a long line of very bizarre, hypocritical notions of Christianity.


Quote:
Before you pass judgment on a book (or system of belief), do you not think it wise to know what that book says and means first?


I certainly do...but it is even more important not to be a goddam liar, hypocrite, and revisionist...in order to make a book like the Bible say what it does not say.

You, Rex, want to pretend that the Bible does not say what it says.

That is absurd.

Stop passing judgement on how others deal with the Bible. You've got more than enough problems dealing with the way you deal with it.



Quote:
To throw out Paul or Moses or any of the other books is to throw out a part of God's holy book...


Well...it is open to debate as to whether or not the Bible is "God's holy book"...or a book of mostly fiction written by ancient Hebrews....

...but since you seem convinced that it is "God's holy book"....why don't you stop "throwing out" the parts you don't like.


Frank I have not thrown out parts...

I have seen those unclear passages in light of the "many" clear passages...

You seem oblivious to "the great mystery" of the Epistle logic...

Ephesians 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.


Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Now Frank,

Here is some logic?

If we are called Christians...

and If we have "christ in us" (as the verse above says)

And if Jesus Christ is at the right hand of God seated in the heavens...

Then the church is in heaven NOW with Christ...

so, the heavens and earth have passed away...

Galatians 2
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Comment:
Also, if Christ was judged before he went to heaven and if we the church are in his body? Then we were already "judged" with Christ two thousand years ago...

Now if you want to ignore the Epistles for a Gospel logic that was not even addressed "to" Christians but specifically "to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" then that is your choice.

Jesus did not send the disciples to "the world" until the day of his ascension.

It is you Frank who is not taking into consideration whole resolution of the Bible...

You have not taken into consideration the "scope" of the Bible and you are "stuck" mostly in the old testament and the gospels...

I do not reject the old testament I see it in light of humans trying to exist in spite of a spiritual deficiency...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 04:49 pm
timberlandko wrote:
"Obviously, Rex - you can't see how silly your argument is - "In order to have faith, you have to have faith" - that's what you're saying, and its the ultimate in circular reasoning. It simply makes no sense whatsoever."

Rex wrote:
"Good Question timber"

Obviously, Rex doesn't understand the difference between a statement and a question. It's no wonder he never makes any sense by his posts.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 04:54 pm
maporsche wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Frank, you don't seem to perceive that standing in total opposition to "God" is the biggest straw man of all...

Is it the shock value you are after?

You reason in your head that because there are so many denominations there must be no God. That is like saying because there is so much light the true light cannot be known.

Yet the wisdom of God eludes you... there are different spectrums of light.

There are two Gods in power and power is needed to recognize the truth.
You reject God so you ultimately reject or ignore the power that is required to discern the true God.


Because a mass of people believe in A god (not THE god), does not give credence to your particular religion.

You claim to know that your god is the one TRUE god, which logically means the other gods are FALSE gods. You claim that your reading of the scripture is the only TRUE way it can be read, which logically means other readings are FALSE.

I agree that there can be "different spectrums of light". But spectrums of light don't claim to be the ONLY CORRECT or RIGHT spectrum of light. Religions DO make this claim. THAT is why your RELIGION is FALSE and CORRUPT.

God, if there is such a being, has NOTHING to do with ANY religion. I believe YOU do not KNOW god if you are following christianity.

How can god (and I am not talking about your god) create a world so full of logic and structure and then ask everyone to throw it out the window.


Another good question. Smile

The reason I "know" or am "right" is because I "study" the Bible...

It does take meekness...

Just like anything else if you study you will do good on the test or out in the field...

The Bible needs to be divided... "rightly" divided.

It would not say it could be "rightly divided" if it could and should not be done...

...emphasis on the word "study"... Smile

2Timothy 2:15
Study to shew [show] thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Comment:
The problem is people read and study everything but the Bible to find the "true" God... they read "around" the Bible...

They assume they know Bible/God because they were taught "religion"... how foolish... Smile

"How firm a foundation is the word of God..."
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 05:03 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
"Obviously, Rex - you can't see how silly your argument is - "In order to have faith, you have to have faith" - that's what you're saying, and its the ultimate in circular reasoning. It simply makes no sense whatsoever."

Rex wrote:
"Good Question timber"

Obviously, Rex doesn't understand the difference between a statement and a question. It's no wonder he never makes any sense by his posts.


Well, I see a question in that, I am not infallible though... Smile
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 05:08 pm
Senor RexRed is muy loco Smile
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 05:09 pm
RexRed wrote:
Frank I have not thrown out parts...

I have seen those unclear passages in light of the "many" clear passages...


That is unmitigated horseshyt, Rex. You simply throw out anything that you do agree with.

Here is a passage:

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." Leviticus 20:13

Talk about this for a while, Rex...so that any new listeners around can get a laugh out of your reasoning.

Tell us specifically how your god feels about homosexual activity?


Quote:

You seem oblivious to "the great mystery" of the Epistle logic...


No, Rex...I am simply not willing to engage in revision and denial. The god of the Bible has certain things to say. You want to pretend the god is not saying those things.

Here is another passage:

Leviticus 25:44ff
"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess...such slaves
you may own as chattels, and leave to your sons as their
hereditary property, making them perpetual slaves."

How does your god feel about slavery, Rex?

Your god feels that men who love one another are an abomination and should be stoned to death....but how does your god feel about a man owning another man as a chattel?




Quote:

Now Frank,

Here is some logic?

If we are called Christians...

and If we have "christ in us" (as the verse above says)

And if Jesus Christ is at the right hand of God seated in the heavens...

Then the church is in heaven NOW with Christ...

so, the heavens and earth have passed away...


Well...since you seemed to be asking the question "Is this logic?" (you did use a question mark above)...lemme answer it.

NO! That is about as illogical a take on things as I can imagine.

The earth has not "passed away." Look out your goddam window!

Quote:
Galatians 2
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.


Well...like I said earlier....if you want to take Paul's word over that of Jesus...it is your right. Hey...your religion is such a joke...doing that would not make it anymore of a joke.


Quote:

Comment:
Also, if Christ was judged before he went to heaven and if we the church are in his body? Then we were already "judged" with Christ two thousand years ago...


According to the fairytale??? I don't see why that holds...except that you want it to.


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Now if you want to ignore the Epistles for a Gospel logic that was not even addressed "to" Christians but specifically "to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" then that is your choice.

Jesus did not send the disciples to "the world" until the day of his ascension.

It is you Frank who is not taking into consideration whole resolution of the Bible...


No, Rex...I am simply pointing out that Christians like you are deep in denial.


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You have not taken into consideration the "scope" of the Bible and you are "stuck" mostly in the old testament and the gospels...


I'm not "stuck" with any of this fairytale nonsense. I'm just discussing your denial.


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I do not reject the old testament I see it in light of humans trying to exist in spite of a spiritual deficiency...


Well...let's see you deal with the two passages I cited...and we'll let the folks reading the thread decide if you are rejecting the Old Testament law or not.

I've been arguing this shyt with you for years now...and it is completely apparent to me that you DO REJECT THE OLD TESTAMENT...and that you are in deep denial about it.
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