Which Religion is the One True Religion?

A REQUEST:

Listen...

...some people are having a cyber election of sorts (for president of A2K)...and I have decided to run for the office.

Apparently it is entirely ceremonial...since Craven owns the site and he is gonna be the big cheese no matter what happens in this cockamamie election.

In any case...it appears some procedural meneuvers are taking place that may (MAY) prevent me from appearing on the ballot. I get the feeling that a minimum number of primary votes will be needed to make the final list of names.

I understand that occasionally I get passionate...and throw some shyt at some of the people to whom I am addressing this request...but, if you ever intend to get elected to anything...you gotta have desire and balls.

And "balls"...I've got in abundance.

So...even if you hate the thought of seeing my avatar in a thread in which you are a participant...I would appreciate you taking time to visit the thread linked below...and casting a vote for my name.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50016&start=100

YOU WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR ME...because the election is not even scheduled (as far as I know) yet...and this is like a primary to see who will make it to the final ballot.

You might hold your nose if necessary to do it...with the thought in mind that you could come to the actual election; vote against me; and hope for a humiliating landslide in someone else's favor.

Thank you for at least considering my request.

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frank wrote:

For I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation

And you think that is good advise???
You think that sets a good example???
You think that kind of thinking will improve lives and living conditions???

Think about this, if you were watching over children, wouldn't you want them to play nice, respect each other, and generally get along? You would let them know that if they didn't do that, they would get punished. The point of this passage is to show that we will get punished for being bad. Thankfully God will accept our apology and forgive us. It's like forgiving that bad kid because you know that really they aren't evil, they just mess up. All He asks is that we give it our best. I suppose that is good advice, good example, etc.

P.S Even though you make me mad, you also make me think, you'll have my vote.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

frank wrote:
For I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation

And you think that is good advise???
You think that sets a good example???
You think that kind of thinking will improve lives and living conditions???

Think about this, if you were watching over children, wouldn't you want them to play nice, respect each other, and generally get along? You would let them know that if they didn't do that, they would get punished. The point of this passage is to show that we will get punished for being bad. Thankfully God will accept our apology and forgive us. It's like forgiving that bad kid because you know that really they aren't evil, they just mess up. All He asks is that we give it our best. I suppose that is good advice, good example, etc.

P.S Even though you make me mad, you also make me think, you'll have my vote.

If you KNOW god will always forgive you, then how is that a deterrant from doing wrong?

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

frank wrote:
For I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation

And you think that is good advise???
You think that sets a good example???
You think that kind of thinking will improve lives and living conditions???

Think about this, if you were watching over children, wouldn't you want them to play nice, respect each other, and generally get along? You would let them know that if they didn't do that, they would get punished. The point of this passage is to show that we will get punished for being bad. Thankfully God will accept our apology and forgive us. It's like forgiving that bad kid because you know that really they aren't evil, they just mess up. All He asks is that we give it our best. I suppose that is good advice, good example, etc.

P.S Even though you make me mad, you also make me think, you'll have my vote.

While you are in a thinking mood, consider that the above threat by your God was NOT for children being bad and not playing nice. It was about punishing children four generations into the future because the parents did not do the proper sucking up.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

frank wrote:
For I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation

And you think that is good advise???
You think that sets a good example???
You think that kind of thinking will improve lives and living conditions???

Think about this, if you were watching over children, wouldn't you want them to play nice, respect each other, and generally get along? You would let them know that if they didn't do that, they would get punished. The point of this passage is to show that we will get punished for being bad. Thankfully God will accept our apology and forgive us. It's like forgiving that bad kid because you know that really they aren't evil, they just mess up. All He asks is that we give it our best. I suppose that is good advice, good example, etc.

P.S Even though you make me mad, you also make me think, you'll have my vote.

Well first of all..thanks for the vote.

I think Mesquite captures the essence of my response to what you said here, Thunder.

To say that you have put this passage in its best possible light...is probably an understatement. This is much, much more than just light punishment of a child.

In fact, it really has much less to do with punishment...than with the intensity of the reaction of the god to people not "worshipping" it. The god is going to visit his anger at an individual not only on the individual...but on that individual's future generations.

Frankly, most of this stuff sounds less like the kind of thing that would come from the mouth of any GOD worth of capital letters...than from the mouths of relatively unsophisticated, superstitious ancient peoples.

And I think that is what the Bible is...the mores and sensibilities of an ancient people...put into the mouth of a ferocious god they invented.

As for how the god of the Bible suggests children actually be punished...we go to another passage:

"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death." Deuteronomy 22:18ff

No one will ever say this god spares the rod and spoils the child!

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George

George W. Bush Elected Pope ... Cardinals Stunned!
Reported by Monsignor Guido Sarducci

The almost 120 Cardinals from around the world that gathered to
choose a successor in the Vatican's Sistine Chapel were stunned
and expressed amazement.

Cardinal Mohoney the Vatican spokesperson had this to say...
"We in the conclave are all shocked. We cast our vote's using these
new electronic voting machines. The results overwhelmingly favored
George W. Bush over all the Catholic candidates. The last Pope, John
Paul, was a superb linguist, fluently speaking 11 languages, this one
can't speak fluently in one language. We just don't know what to
say."

The White House has announced that Dick Cheney will assume command
as President of the world tomorrow morning, when "W' travels to Rome
to begin his duties as Pope.

George W. Bush had this to say moments ago as he spoke from the Rose
Garden:

"I am honoured to be the spiritual lighthouse, and the first War
Pope.
I promise Evangelical Catho-licks and Prostates alike that I will be
embodied in salvation and fair in the performance of my duties.

I am a Unitifier, not a Divide-a-cater. I am obliged to try to save
as many lost souls as I can, at least the Devout Wealthy Elite Souls,
as it is well known that Heaven is a very select place, indeed, it is
more exclusive than even the best of country clubs. It is a members
only Heaven. I may have to put a fence around it.

I will perform miracles in a fair and balanced manner. Just as God
used to wipe out entire races of people without warning, burning
whole towns of perverts, killing off entire nations, and drowning
everybody without a ticket to board Noah's Ark, I shall deliver
the world from Evil Empires as I unleash the Apocalypse Wrath of
Revelations.

I will ensure the Rapture and the Reunion with our beloved deceased
family members and with our departed purebred pets. I will not allow
those awful Liberal Sissy Homosapiens to marry each other and I will
put and end to the Clergy marrying Choirboys.

I will lead the Crusades against all them towel-headed
heathens-possessed
voodoo-hoodoo barbarians who's Pseudo-religions that don't accept the
Lord
as the Light of Democracy, and who worship fake, made-up gods.

They shall suffer my Godly Conservative Wrath and I will Destroy them
with my Cherubic Armies of Angels and they shall burn for eternity in
Hell, because Me and God don't take no prisoners!"

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First of All, I am so happy to be around here to meet new people, make new friends and discuss religion. I am a theoholic: p and have learned so many things about different religions thru all my life. By curiosity I recently read the Koran, at first it was hard to understand because I was judgmental but what I have acknowledged is that it left in my mind a beautiful feeling but couldn't explain what it was. So I was like, what if this is the truth that I spent years and years looking for. I always felt in my heart that God is one, so powerful, so well organized, so just, so beautiful to create the earth and the Universe in such an artistic fashion, obeying Laws so perfectly designed, such as If the Earth spins just a little bit faster, no one would survive in earth and that's something that contradicts the theory of that everything happens randomly. Anyhow, thru all my life I never paid attention to all the Hardship that every one of us go thru and never asked myself before why those hardships if God is the creator of the Universe and can save us all from it and make our life peaceful and enjoyable. The Koran is talking about both, love and hate in the same time, about good and bad...etc so I started reading Islam and found out that God tells us to be patient, to be strong and turn to him when a calamity happens and with doing that our heart and soul purifies itself from wrongdoing. God says that all this is a test and if we fail and don't stay firm against our wrongdoings like committing adultery, killing, getting angryetc we get stronger and stronger day by day and sin less. God also is helping us thru his teachings how to live in freedom from being controlled by our unjust desires. Yes, God basically is trying to save us from the real punishment and telling us that he amazingly created the Heavens for us to fulfill all the desires we have being created with because that's where we belong. Just as he is, God is giving us all an opportunity to clean ourselves thru the hardships off this not lasting life and will reward justly every one of us based on how we do in this life. If we all think a moment and ask ourselves, why nothing could satisfy our desires or why the enjoyment don't last more than a moment , example sex, food,...etc. Well what I have learned from reading the Koran is that our desires would only be fulfilled in where we belong, and God is telling us to be patient and submit to him fully thru the laws of Islam to purify ourselves. God is perfect but we are not simply because he gave us freedom of will and does not intervene in choosing the way we go but guides us to the right path because he sees everything but our sight is very limited. God created all his other creations without a freedom of will so all is submitting to his will but us until we choose to and also God will destroy who do not obey him by throwing him/her to Hellfire, and if you read what is said about how Hellfire will be nobody could ever sleep after that, either hearing about Hell or the Heavens. The King of the Heavens Gabriel (AS) was ordered by God to go look at the Heavens and Hellfire to tell God what he thinks. Gabriel said : Everybody will choose to live in the Heavens, and nobody would ever choose Hellfire. But God knows that is not the case. In fact Hellfire will ask for more human beings in the Day of Judgment and an enormous number of people will go.
Bottom line, God is helping all of us thru the first step of purification. He is describing the Heavens in an amazing way in the Koran and the teachings of his prophet (Peace be upon Him) to help us stay firm against our desires and actions and also warn us and describes with a lot of details and pictures how the eternal extreme punishment will look like if we don't control our desires and be patient and stay firm and strong against anything that could take us to disobey Him. God is just so he is giving us a chance to win the ticket to the Heavens where ultimate continuous enjoyment is waiting for us. For men, Just knowing that the most beautiful woman ever sent to Earth will be uglier than the less beautiful woman in the Heavens will guide you to do better in your life.
God wants us to be better than all his creations. He gave us freedom of will and wants only pure human beings to live eternally in peace and enjoyment in his Gardens of joy, How long we are going to live for ? 100 years? Eternal life could last 1000000000000000000000000000000000000 years and I know it will be more than that. So what this first life represents? 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% I think it represents ZERO or 0
I just felt like sharing with you my experience in life and hope someone learns from this and hope to hear from you, dear friends.

Michael

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Newsoul....please use the "Enter"/"Return" key every so often. I stopped reading your post after the 3rd line because I kept getting lost.

Paragraph's are you friend.

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blueveinedthrobber wrote:

extra medium if you have any spare time I would like to talk to yu about Throbism some time. It changed my life.

okay, thanks. talk to me. what is throbism?

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Frank Apisa wrote:

thunder_runner32 wrote:
frank wrote:
For I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation

And you think that is good advise???
You think that sets a good example???
You think that kind of thinking will improve lives and living conditions???

Think about this, if you were watching over children, wouldn't you want them to play nice, respect each other, and generally get along? You would let them know that if they didn't do that, they would get punished. The point of this passage is to show that we will get punished for being bad. Thankfully God will accept our apology and forgive us. It's like forgiving that bad kid because you know that really they aren't evil, they just mess up. All He asks is that we give it our best. I suppose that is good advice, good example, etc.

P.S Even though you make me mad, you also make me think, you'll have my vote.

Well first of all..thanks for the vote.

I think Mesquite captures the essence of my response to what you said here, Thunder.

To say that you have put this passage in its best possible light...is probably an understatement. This is much, much more than just light punishment of a child.

In fact, it really has much less to do with punishment...than with the intensity of the reaction of the god to people not "worshipping" it. The god is going to visit his anger at an individual not only on the individual...but on that individual's future generations.

Frankly, most of this stuff sounds less like the kind of thing that would come from the mouth of any GOD worth of capital letters...than from the mouths of relatively unsophisticated, superstitious ancient peoples.

And I think that is what the Bible is...the mores and sensibilities of an ancient people...put into the mouth of a ferocious god they invented.

As for how the god of the Bible suggests children actually be punished...we go to another passage:

"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death." Deuteronomy 22:18ff

No one will ever say this god spares the rod and spoils the child!

Customs were different back then, people were expected to have more respect back then.

Why does it still suprise you that God would get angry when people don't even recognize him as their creator?

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The god is going to visit his anger at an individual not only on the individual...but on that individual's future generations.

That passage means that the same punishment will apply to all men, if they decide to sin and not ask for forgiveness.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
thunder_runner32 wrote:
frank wrote:
For I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation

And you think that is good advise???
You think that sets a good example???
You think that kind of thinking will improve lives and living conditions???

Think about this, if you were watching over children, wouldn't you want them to play nice, respect each other, and generally get along? You would let them know that if they didn't do that, they would get punished. The point of this passage is to show that we will get punished for being bad. Thankfully God will accept our apology and forgive us. It's like forgiving that bad kid because you know that really they aren't evil, they just mess up. All He asks is that we give it our best. I suppose that is good advice, good example, etc.

P.S Even though you make me mad, you also make me think, you'll have my vote.

Well first of all..thanks for the vote.

I think Mesquite captures the essence of my response to what you said here, Thunder.

To say that you have put this passage in its best possible light...is probably an understatement. This is much, much more than just light punishment of a child.

In fact, it really has much less to do with punishment...than with the intensity of the reaction of the god to people not "worshipping" it. The god is going to visit his anger at an individual not only on the individual...but on that individual's future generations.

Frankly, most of this stuff sounds less like the kind of thing that would come from the mouth of any GOD worth of capital letters...than from the mouths of relatively unsophisticated, superstitious ancient peoples.

And I think that is what the Bible is...the mores and sensibilities of an ancient people...put into the mouth of a ferocious god they invented.

As for how the god of the Bible suggests children actually be punished...we go to another passage:

"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death." Deuteronomy 22:18ff

No one will ever say this god spares the rod and spoils the child!

Customs were different back then, people were expected to have more respect back then.

Did you just make that up???

Where does that notion come from???

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Why does it still suprise you that God would get angry when people don't even recognize him as their creator?

Because as an agnostic, I acknowledge that there may actually be a GOD...and I wouldn't want to insult that GOD by thinking he would "be angry" at anything a human does. In fact, I wouldn't want to insult that GOD by even remotely imagining that IT would be anything like that piece of shyt described in the Bible.

Thanks for asking. I was looking for an opportune time to mention that.

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The god is going to visit his anger at an individual not only on the individual...but on that individual's future generations.

That passage means that the same punishment will apply to all men, if they decide to sin and not ask for forgiveness.

Good grief...do your rationalizations never stop? Must you torture logic this way to appease this pathetic god?

The god says he will visit his wrath on children of people who reject him...and on their children...and on their childlren.

It is one of the most petty things ever said about any god.

WAKE UP!

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Frank Apisa wrote:

thunder_runner32 wrote:
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The god is going to visit his anger at an individual not only on the individual...but on that individual's future generations.

That passage means that the same punishment will apply to all men, if they decide to sin and not ask for forgiveness.

Good grief...do your rationalizations never stop? Must you torture logic this way to appease this pathetic god?

The god says he will visit his wrath on children of people who reject him...and on their children...and on their children.

It is one of the most petty things ever said about any god.

WAKE UP!

I am with you Frank. That passage could not be any clearer as far as I am concerned. The New Living Translation uses language that is common today. I still see the same meaning. Thunder_runner32's attempt to interpret that passage as meaning equal punishment for all is not even close to rational.

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Exodus 20:5You must never worship or bow down to them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not share your affection with any other god! I do not leave unpunished the sins of those who hate me, but I punish the children for the sins of their parents to the third and fourth generations.
New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust

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Exodus 20:5You must never worship or bow down to them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not share your affection with any other god! I do not leave unpunished the sins of those who hate me, but I punish the children for the sins of their parents to the third and fourth generations.
New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust

What I think is interesting about that passage is: Just the fact alone that God appears to be saying there are other gods hanging around.

S/he is saying other gods exist! Thats bizarre, because one of the basic cornerstones of the Bible is monotheism....there is only one god.

Or is there?

Interesting, these other gods don't get many lines or pages of material in the Bible.

But once in awhile, they do sort of make a cameo appearance!

Interesting.

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What I think is interesting about that passage is: Just the fact alone that God appears to be saying there are other gods hanging around.

S/he is saying other gods exist! Thats bizarre, because one of the basic cornerstones of the Bible is monotheism....there is only one god.

Or is there?

Interesting, these other gods don't get many lines or pages of material in the Bible.

But once in awhile, they do sort of make a cameo appearance!

Interesting.

The Qur'an (the holy book in Islam), is clear in refuting the existence of other gods other than GOD (ALLAH in Arabic). The statement "There is no god but Allah" is repeated tens of times in the holy Qur'an.

"Say: He is God (Allah), the One and Only;

God (Allah), the Eternal, Absolute;

He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

And there is none like unto Him."

[The holy Qur'an, Chapter 112]

Best Regards.

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Exodus 20:5You must never worship or bow down to them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not share your affection with any other god! I do not leave unpunished the sins of those who hate me, but I punish the children for the sins of their parents to the third and fourth generations.
New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust

I talked to my dad about this, and he told me you can take this two ways:

1)God is a jack---....if you perform this sin your children will be punished for it.

2)The fact that you worship other Gods, will probably mean that your children will follow, and will likewise be punished. It is meant to show the extreme wickedness and severity of this sin.

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extra medium wrote:

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Exodus 20:5You must never worship or bow down to them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not share your affection with any other god! I do not leave unpunished the sins of those who hate me, but I punish the children for the sins of their parents to the third and fourth generations.
New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust

What I think is interesting about that passage is: Just the fact alone that God appears to be saying there are other gods hanging around.

S/he is saying other gods exist! Thats bizarre, because one of the basic cornerstones of the Bible is monotheism....there is only one god.

Or is there?

Interesting, these other gods don't get many lines or pages of material in the Bible.

But once in awhile, they do sort of make a cameo appearance!

Interesting.

Anything you worship is a god. It can be a person or a man-made image. The true God prohibited any other worship except worship for himself.

It is what it is.

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Anything you worship is a god. It can be a person or a man-made image. The true God prohibited any other worship except worship for himself.

I agree.

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In the US we worship the almighty buck. Does that qualify as a God? Thems whats got sure ain't gettin punished.

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frank, the LORD inflicts punishment down to the fourth generation when He's in a forgiving mood. here's what happens when He's very angry:

Dt. 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

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au1929 wrote:

In the US we worship the almighty buck. Does that qualify as a God? Thems whats got sure ain't gettin punished.

...people are morons....

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