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Which Religion is the One True Religion?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 11:02 am
RexRed wrote:
Here is an interesting passage...

Kings 19:11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.


Here is an even more interesting one:

"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death." Deuteronomy 22:18ff

Certainly not the kind of god to spare the rod or spoil the child....you gotta give it that.
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real life
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 12:11 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
neologist wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
neologist wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
You may challenge these figures with your own. I'm not able to, because I'm not an "expert" on the bible and can only depend on articles I find in the media. Most of them agree with 6,000 years old.
It's an uphill battle when the propositions of the believers are less reasonable than those of the unbeliever.

But even a cursory reading of the first two chapters of Genesis will show the earth existed before Genesis 1:1, that creation took six time periods of unspecified length and that the seventh day has not been recorded as having ended.

The bible takes us back 6000 or so years to Eden, but many years may be allotted for the creation of earth and it's 'appointments.'


Yeah, ci....it is just that prior to 6000 years ago there were no animals.

Did you ever wonder, ci, how Adam knew enough to name the dinosaurs correctly?
Where did that come from? You are so eager to ridicule, you don't even read my posts. Where did I say there were no animals in Eden?


A much better and more logical question would be: Where did I ever say you said there were no animals in Eden?

Where the hell did that come from?

My comment about no animals prior to 6000 years ago has to do with the fact that the work was accomplished when the god made animals for Adam and Eve. That had to be at the end of the work week for your god. And that, if the bullshyt myth of creation is accepted, had to be about 6000 years ago.

And since your god had Adam naming all the animals...I was just wondering how he picked the names of the dinosaurs?






I also cannot help but wonder how Noah dealt with the dinosaurs. They were a testy lot. Especially TRex. How do you suppose Noah and his family handled the TRex couple?


You may be assuming that they were all full grown animals. What if they were newly hatched/newly born as the case may be? It would make a lot of sense to take a pair that had a lot of useful life ahead of them and could produce many offspring rather than older animals who could not reproduce as readily, wouldn't it?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 12:47 pm
real life wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
neologist wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
neologist wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
You may challenge these figures with your own. I'm not able to, because I'm not an "expert" on the bible and can only depend on articles I find in the media. Most of them agree with 6,000 years old.
It's an uphill battle when the propositions of the believers are less reasonable than those of the unbeliever.

But even a cursory reading of the first two chapters of Genesis will show the earth existed before Genesis 1:1, that creation took six time periods of unspecified length and that the seventh day has not been recorded as having ended.

The bible takes us back 6000 or so years to Eden, but many years may be allotted for the creation of earth and it's 'appointments.'


Yeah, ci....it is just that prior to 6000 years ago there were no animals.

Did you ever wonder, ci, how Adam knew enough to name the dinosaurs correctly?
Where did that come from? You are so eager to ridicule, you don't even read my posts. Where did I say there were no animals in Eden?


A much better and more logical question would be: Where did I ever say you said there were no animals in Eden?

Where the hell did that come from?

My comment about no animals prior to 6000 years ago has to do with the fact that the work was accomplished when the god made animals for Adam and Eve. That had to be at the end of the work week for your god. And that, if the bullshyt myth of creation is accepted, had to be about 6000 years ago.

And since your god had Adam naming all the animals...I was just wondering how he picked the names of the dinosaurs?






I also cannot help but wonder how Noah dealt with the dinosaurs. They were a testy lot. Especially TRex. How do you suppose Noah and his family handled the TRex couple?


You may be assuming that they were all full grown animals. What if they were newly hatched/newly born as the case may be? It would make a lot of sense to take a pair that had a lot of useful life ahead of them and could produce many offspring rather than older animals who could not reproduce as readily, wouldn't it?


I'm wondering how long it would take to collect the hundreds of thousands of species of insect.

Let's just be clear. Are you really going to attempt to defend the flood story exactly as it's told in the bible?
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real life
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 04:06 pm
maporsche wrote:
real life wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
neologist wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
neologist wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
You may challenge these figures with your own. I'm not able to, because I'm not an "expert" on the bible and can only depend on articles I find in the media. Most of them agree with 6,000 years old.
It's an uphill battle when the propositions of the believers are less reasonable than those of the unbeliever.

But even a cursory reading of the first two chapters of Genesis will show the earth existed before Genesis 1:1, that creation took six time periods of unspecified length and that the seventh day has not been recorded as having ended.

The bible takes us back 6000 or so years to Eden, but many years may be allotted for the creation of earth and it's 'appointments.'


Yeah, ci....it is just that prior to 6000 years ago there were no animals.

Did you ever wonder, ci, how Adam knew enough to name the dinosaurs correctly?
Where did that come from? You are so eager to ridicule, you don't even read my posts. Where did I say there were no animals in Eden?


A much better and more logical question would be: Where did I ever say you said there were no animals in Eden?

Where the hell did that come from?

My comment about no animals prior to 6000 years ago has to do with the fact that the work was accomplished when the god made animals for Adam and Eve. That had to be at the end of the work week for your god. And that, if the bullshyt myth of creation is accepted, had to be about 6000 years ago.

And since your god had Adam naming all the animals...I was just wondering how he picked the names of the dinosaurs?






I also cannot help but wonder how Noah dealt with the dinosaurs. They were a testy lot. Especially TRex. How do you suppose Noah and his family handled the TRex couple?


You may be assuming that they were all full grown animals. What if they were newly hatched/newly born as the case may be? It would make a lot of sense to take a pair that had a lot of useful life ahead of them and could produce many offspring rather than older animals who could not reproduce as readily, wouldn't it?


I'm wondering how long it would take to collect the hundreds of thousands of species of insect.

Let's just be clear. Are you really going to attempt to defend the flood story exactly as it's told in the bible?


You should be clear before you ask that. Have you actually read the story? It states :

Quote:
Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah.


and again

Quote:
Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark


If the animals were caused to come to Noah, I am not sure what you think the difficulty here is.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 04:23 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
neologist wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
neologist wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
You may challenge these figures with your own. I'm not able to, because I'm not an "expert" on the bible and can only depend on articles I find in the media. Most of them agree with 6,000 years old.
It's an uphill battle when the propositions of the believers are less reasonable than those of the unbeliever.

But even a cursory reading of the first two chapters of Genesis will show the earth existed before Genesis 1:1, that creation took six time periods of unspecified length and that the seventh day has not been recorded as having ended.

The bible takes us back 6000 or so years to Eden, but many years may be allotted for the creation of earth and it's 'appointments.'


Yeah, ci....it is just that prior to 6000 years ago there were no animals.

Did you ever wonder, ci, how Adam knew enough to name the dinosaurs correctly?
Where did that come from? You are so eager to ridicule, you don't even read my posts. Where did I say there were no animals in Eden?


A much better and more logical question would be: Where did I ever say you said there were no animals in Eden?

Where the hell did that come from?

My comment about no animals prior to 6000 years ago has to do with the fact that the work was accomplished when the god made animals for Adam and Eve. That had to be at the end of the work week for your god. And that, if the bullshyt myth of creation is accepted, had to be about 6000 years ago.

And since your god had Adam naming all the animals...I was just wondering how he picked the names of the dinosaurs?






I also cannot help but wonder how Noah dealt with the dinosaurs. They were a testy lot. Especially TRex. How do you suppose Noah and his family handled the TRex couple?
Oh, OK. Sorry about that. It must be your cigar smoke. Cough; Cough: I didn't realize you were talking about 6000 years plus one week.

You see, you keep ignoring my statements about the seventh creative day having not yet ended. Since the Edenic story happened about 6000 years ago, the remaining creative days could have been at least that long or longer, thousands of years for sure (I guess. :wink: ). Were the dinosaurs still on earth then? I don't know. Ask farmer.

What would Adam have called TRex? I don't know that either. The bible just doesn't answer all the questions a scholar such as you might ask, Frank.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 05:00 pm
To clarify it is the year 5766 according to the Hebrew calendar. Since the story of creation is from the Hebrew bible it safe to say if you believe and continually reference one you should believe the other. :wink:
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 12:49 am
RexRed wrote:
Amigo wrote:
Religion is a product of man not god.It is as flawed and self-rightous as men.So I believe there can be no one true Religon.None of them could be totally right.Only god is perfect.Religion is not an answer it's a barrier.



What would you prefer a barrier between you and people or a barrier between you and God?
I don't prefer either but if I had to I would choose a barrier between me and god.It would be selfish to choose god over people. We the living. Thats what matters, not god.What point are you trying to demonsrate
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 01:09 am
Oh fer crissake . . . are these clowns still tryin' to peddle a flood story ?

To see people go online and try to foist that sort of crap off has a dissociative effect--rather like looking over in the next lane and seeing a cave man driving a Porsche . . .
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 01:15 am
Setanta, why are you making me use my dictionary so late? I was just starting to feel smart.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 02:15 am
You lost me with that one, Boss . . . but anyway, i just woke up in the middle of night, one of those things--so i thought i'd drop by to see what sort of idiocy the god squad presently had on offer . . .
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 02:26 am
I had to look up "foist" and "dissoiative".Did you see the qustion rex asked me.Strange
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 02:39 am
Rex is "special," you'll get used to goofy statements and questions from him.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 03:00 am
neologist wrote:
Oh, OK. Sorry about that. It must be your cigar smoke. Cough; Cough: I didn't realize you were talking about 6000 years plus one week.

You see, you keep ignoring my statements about the seventh creative day having not yet ended.



Not ignoring it....just wondering how an adult can go on about a bunch of fairytale bullshyt as though he were sharing some incredible truth that has been revealed to him.


Quote:
Since the Edenic story happened about 6000 years ago, the remaining creative days could have been at least that long or longer, thousands of years for sure (I guess. :wink: ). Were the dinosaurs still on earth then? I don't know. Ask farmer.

What would Adam have called TRex? I don't know that either. The bible just doesn't answer all the questions a scholar such as you might ask, Frank.


I don't think the Bible answers any questions.
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shiyacic aleksandar
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 03:09 am
Man has not come into this world merely to strut about for a while, consuming food and gaily gallivanting. He has come so that he may bask in the Presence of God, by cultivating love in the heart and spreading that love. The earth is a great enterprise, a busy factory, where the product is love. By means of spiritual practice it is possible to produce love and export it to millions and millions of people who are in need of it. The more it is shared, the deeper it becomes, the sweeter its taste, and the greater the joy. By means of love, one can approach God and stay in His presence, for God is love, and when one lives in love, one lives in God.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 03:19 am
shiyacic aleksandar wrote:
Man has not come into this world merely to strut about for a while, consuming food and gaily gallivanting. He has come so that he may bask in the Presence of God, by cultivating love in the heart and spreading that love. The earth is a great enterprise, a busy factory, where the product is love. By means of spiritual practice it is possible to produce love and export it to millions and millions of people who are in need of it. The more it is shared, the deeper it becomes, the sweeter its taste, and the greater the joy. By means of love, one can approach God and stay in His presence, for God is love, and when one lives in love, one lives in God.


Incredible that anyone is so afraid of an obviously fictional character...he would suck up to that fictional character with this much intensity, SA.

The boogeyman won't hurt you. You don't have to do this!
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shiyacic aleksandar
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 04:26 am
You can choose your action mode,there is no doubt!
You are in the Gods park(earths globe) and you deny His property!
It is very childish,it makes me laugh..
Every one can do whatever he likes in His garden because hes merciful and like a very good Father very tolerant!
ultimatly you will have to recognize the holy Truth which is :we are all divine sparks.We come from God and we return to God. :wink:
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 08:16 am
shiyacic aleksandar wrote:
You can choose your action mode,there is no doubt!
You are in the Gods park(earths globe) and you deny His property!
It is very childish,it makes me laugh..
Every one can do whatever he likes in His garden because hes merciful and like a very good Father very tolerant!
ultimatly you will have to recognize the holy Truth which is :we are all divine sparks.We come from God and we return to God. :wink:


And then again...maybe that is all a bunch of bullshyt...and there are no gods.

You really ought to stop touting your pulled-from-thin-air guesses as knowledge, SA.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 08:19 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Here is an interesting passage...

Kings 19:11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.


Here is an even more interesting one:

"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death." Deuteronomy 22:18ff

Certainly not the kind of god to spare the rod or spoil the child....you gotta give it that.


Yes Frank, it is called teens on death row. It happens in this country too... does that make America and a tradition of US judges barbaric?

We have over a million mexican "slaves" in this country and we have homosexuals/adulterers TODAY stoning "themselves" with promiscuous sex...

and your point? is?

These are still valid issues even today and you obviously have no concept of laws used as deterrence...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 08:24 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
shiyacic aleksandar wrote:
You can choose your action mode,there is no doubt!
You are in the Gods park(earths globe) and you deny His property!
It is very childish,it makes me laugh..
Every one can do whatever he likes in His garden because hes merciful and like a very good Father very tolerant!
ultimatly you will have to recognize the holy Truth which is :we are all divine sparks.We come from God and we return to God. :wink:


And then again...maybe that is all a bunch of bullshyt...and there are no gods.

You really ought to stop touting your pulled-from-thin-air guesses as knowledge, SA.


Frank, you do not know he is guessing... you can only speak for yourself... unless you have some sort of telepathy...

You are so "sure" we cannot know God... I would like to know how you are so SURE of this...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 08:27 am
Amigo wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Amigo wrote:
Religion is a product of man not god.It is as flawed and self-rightous as men.So I believe there can be no one true Religon.None of them could be totally right.Only god is perfect.Religion is not an answer it's a barrier.



What would you prefer a barrier between you and people or a barrier between you and God?
I don't prefer either but if I had to I would choose a barrier between me and god.It would be selfish to choose god over people. We the living. Thats what matters, not god.What point are you trying to demonsrate


Yea, let's ignore our creator so we can pretend we are Gods...

Then we don't have to worry about the "self-righteous" Bible... (sarcasm)


Ro 10:3
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Php 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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