neo, Most of the articles I have read about the age of the earth puts it at 6,000 years old. Here's another statement from a web search:
"Putting this information together, we arrive at an approximate age of the earth. The date for Abraham varied from 2166 B.C. to 1750 B.C. depending upon various items for discussion which are previously mentioned. Rounding 1976 years to 2000, one arrives at an approximate age of the earth, according to the genealogies found in Scripture at 4166 B.C. to 3750 B.C. One can understand and appreciate Ussher's chronology which dated creation at 4004 B.C. The earth is approximately 6000 years old based on the Bible evidence."
You may challenge these figures with your own. I'm not able to, because I'm not an "expert" on the bible and can only depend on articles I find in the media. Most of them agree with 6,000 years old.
I was taken by the spirit to the garden of the world below...
It was filled with creatures, an earth with much of the life that we are familiar with today.
Yet there was not just a man and a woman alone but there were many thousands of people in this paradise... they lived a peaceful coexistence with nature.
They harmonized with the earth and the earth bloomed for all of the life that lived upon it's land.
Yet, the people grew tired of the earth and the majesty within. Life became dull and boring to them... So they began to look for another within which to hold their affection.
They looked upon fair Eve and proclaimed that she was even more beautiful than the earth! So they began to worship Eve above all else... The people formed great statues of stone and metals in the likeness of Eve and gave her many large breasts to emphasize her perfect femininity.
At first Adam was rather taken by Eve's beauty and newfound fame, so he went along with the peoples wishes. He loved Eve and figured it would not harm anything.
Adam soon grew jealous of all of the attention the people paid to his wife and his men friends were not sure of being ruled by a woman. So the men who took pride in their archetype, Adam, decided to build a shrine for him. They cast statues demonstrating Adam's strength and virility as a man.
Soon there was a great war between man and woman. They hid in their high towers and attacked one another in fierce battles... they used every known cunning of deceit to try and destroy their perceived enemy.
When the battle was over the statues were all overthrown to the ground and all that survived the battle was one single tree in the midst of garden...
Adam and Eve called a truce and met at the great tree... they made a promise to not again battle against each others image...
Then Eve heard the serpent's subtle voice speak by the great tree and she saw the serpent hanging from one of it's branches. So she decided to take a great branch of the tree and fashion it into a snakes form and she made it into an alter to worship the snake...
The people perceived the snake and the tree to be a God because they had survived such a battle...
Then in this my vision, it grew very dark... Adam and Eve were made to sleep in the fires of Hades and they cried with a great woe.
I saw five monks with a book I saw the images of the man, the woman, the tree and the snake were blotted by the monks hand from the book of life.
I saw the resurrection of the unjust... no longer was the tree of life living but it burned with a fire that did not cease and the snake was pierced by a spear.
The people held their heads down in the shame of what they had done to each other and the scorched earth...
cicerone imposter wrote: You may challenge these figures with your own. I'm not able to, because I'm not an "expert" on the bible and can only depend on articles I find in the media. Most of them agree with 6,000 years old.
It's an uphill battle when the propositions of the believers are less reasonable than those of the unbeliever.
But even a cursory reading of the first two chapters of Genesis will show the earth existed before Genesis 1:1, that creation took six time periods of unspecified length and that the seventh day has not been recorded as having ended.
The bible takes us back 6000 or so years to Eden, but many years may be allotted for the creation of earth and it's 'appointments.'
RexRed wrote:Frank, you seem so darned mean sometimes...
Nah, me. I'm a pussycat. A sweetheart.
Quote:....on that point alone I would not want your God whatever it is or isn't...
Whatever.
Quote:Can't you communicate without blasting yourself all over the place?
I have my times too but they are not all as frequent.
I can express myself many different ways.
Quote:Can you express yourself without having to use masked obscenities?
F**k yes. Why are you asking?
Quote:
Truth is not measured by who can scream the loudest and curse the worst but by the content of what they have to say and the profit within...
Horseshyt. Truth is measured by whether or not something is true or not.
Quote:
1Co 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Comment:
Can you laugh about this one?
Rex...I have absolutely no problem laughing at most of the Bible.
neologist wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:Amigo wrote:
Amigo wrote:The truth.This is the one true Religion, and it is not known.
Neo responded:
Quote:Except I believe it can be known.
Amigo...This means Neo is making a wild guess that there is a religion that actually does give information about the Ultimate REALITY of existence...and he is making a further wild guess that it can be determined as to which one it is.
There is a way to find out all we need to understand why God permits suffering, what He intends to do about it, and what our responsibility is towards God. It does not require advanced intellect or education, but it does require the willingness to be taught.
I'm sure that's not the ultimate REALITY of existence, but applying it would be a step in the right direction.
In other words, Neo is saying...pretend it is the truth...insist it is the truth...and soon you will have deluded yourself into considering it the truth without any pretending.
This religion of yours is a joke, Neo.
neologist wrote:cicerone imposter wrote: You may challenge these figures with your own. I'm not able to, because I'm not an "expert" on the bible and can only depend on articles I find in the media. Most of them agree with 6,000 years old.
It's an uphill battle when the propositions of the believers are less reasonable than those of the unbeliever.
But even a cursory reading of the first two chapters of Genesis will show the earth existed before Genesis 1:1, that creation took six time periods of unspecified length and that the seventh day has not been recorded as having ended.
The bible takes us back 6000 or so years to Eden, but many years may be allotted for the creation of earth and it's 'appointments.'
Yeah, ci....it is just that prior to 6000 years ago there were no animals.
Did you ever wonder, ci, how Adam knew enough to name the dinosaurs correctly?
Frank Apisa wrote:neologist wrote:cicerone imposter wrote: You may challenge these figures with your own. I'm not able to, because I'm not an "expert" on the bible and can only depend on articles I find in the media. Most of them agree with 6,000 years old.
It's an uphill battle when the propositions of the believers are less reasonable than those of the unbeliever.
But even a cursory reading of the first two chapters of Genesis will show the earth existed before Genesis 1:1, that creation took six time periods of unspecified length and that the seventh day has not been recorded as having ended.
The bible takes us back 6000 or so years to Eden, but many years may be allotted for the creation of earth and it's 'appointments.'
Yeah, ci....it is just that prior to 6000 years ago there were no animals.
Did you ever wonder, ci, how Adam knew enough to name the dinosaurs correctly?
Where did that come from? You are so eager to ridicule, you don't even read my posts. Where did I say there were no animals in Eden?
That's called a non sequitur, Homer.
neologist wrote.
Quote:The Jews as a group lost their favored position when they rejected Jesus. But God didn't have a change of heart, he warned them in advance.
Apparently any sort of excuse is justified why you ar trying to sell a new product.
That simply will not wash.
neologist
Sure and Iraq was littered with WMD'S.
neologist wrote:timberlandko wrote:One thing ya gotta give the Abrahamic god - a really wicked sense of humor; it seems he plopped his "chosen people" down on the only patch of sand in the Middle East without oil under it.
And can you believe how much blood has been shed in order to occupy it? Why is that? I wonder.
Certainly puts the lie to that old "God of Peace and Love" myth, doesn't it?
I believe that one aspect of the Adam and Eve story is that it was an attempt to put an end to the male/female fertility cults and the snake/tree worship by showing male female in a sinful light and the tree and the snake also become an unfavorable image...
Fergusson, J.A.,
Tree and Serpent Worship, Indological Book House, Delhi, 1971.
Tree and Serpent Worship by James Fergusson: Illustrations of Mythology and Art in 1st and 4th century A.D., from the sculptures of the Buddhist Topes at Sanchi and Amaravati. The Introductory essay deals with the prevalence of Tree and Serpent Worship in the Western World. Part II continues the discussion with reference to Eastern Asia. The Topes are then described and explained.
http://35.1911encyclopedia.org/T/TR/TREE_WORSHIP.htm
RexRed wrote:... The Topes are then described and explained.
Likely a typo, but the word "
Topes" seems fittingly placed in the context; it provides as good an explanation as any and better than most.
timberlandko wrote:RexRed wrote:... The Topes are then described and explained.
Likely a typo, but the word "
Topes" seems fittingly placed in the context; it provides as good an explanation as any and better than most.
hehe, I didn't notice that.
I wonder if it is a typo...
thx for pointing that out... what word do you think it might be?
The tree/snake worship I believe did involve an initiation rite that included intoxicants... thus "the cup" was another symbol...
cicerone imposter wrote:Pray tell, give me a barrier between me and the bible god, but that's an impossible request.
cicerone imposter wrote:That would require that Bush is no longer our president.
What does Bush have to do with your relationship with the one true God?
Here is an interesting passage...
Kings 19:11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
Isaiah 1
11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
neologist wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:neologist wrote:cicerone imposter wrote: You may challenge these figures with your own. I'm not able to, because I'm not an "expert" on the bible and can only depend on articles I find in the media. Most of them agree with 6,000 years old.
It's an uphill battle when the propositions of the believers are less reasonable than those of the unbeliever.
But even a cursory reading of the first two chapters of Genesis will show the earth existed before Genesis 1:1, that creation took six time periods of unspecified length and that the seventh day has not been recorded as having ended.
The bible takes us back 6000 or so years to Eden, but many years may be allotted for the creation of earth and it's 'appointments.'
Yeah, ci....it is just that prior to 6000 years ago there were no animals.
Did you ever wonder, ci, how Adam knew enough to name the dinosaurs correctly?
Where did that come from? You are so eager to ridicule, you don't even read my posts. Where did I say there were no animals in Eden?
A much better and more logical question would be: Where did I ever say you said there were no animals in Eden?
Where the hell did that come from?
My comment about no animals prior to 6000 years ago has to do with the fact that the work was accomplished when the god made animals for Adam and Eve. That had to be at the end of the work week for your god. And that, if the bullshyt myth of creation is accepted, had to be about 6000 years ago.
And since your god had Adam naming all the animals...I was just wondering how he picked the names of the dinosaurs?
I also cannot help but wonder how Noah dealt with the dinosaurs. They were a testy lot. Especially TRex. How do you suppose Noah and his family handled the TRex couple?
