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Which Religion is the One True Religion?

 
 
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 06:14 pm
How would you react if you cloned a human who, after being born naturally, displayed some terrible defect of health or character as a result of imperfect cloning, but had normal intelligence? What would you say to that person when they realized how they came to be?

I'm not commenting on the legal or theological implications; just what would you say?

Qwitcherbitchin Clonus
Yer a scientific bonus
And yer birth has made ya famous
(We're still workin on Uranus)
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 06:21 pm
real life wrote:
maporsche wrote:
real life wrote:

Actually He sees all.


Only morons capitalize pronouns.


You know, you really should think about what you write before you post it.

Do you not capitalize "I" in referring to yourself? If so, are you one of the morons to which you refer?


In the immortal words of Homer Simpson.....DOH!

Good call. Let me rephrase.

Only morons capitalize pronouns other than "I", that don't start at the beginning of a sentence or in the title of a paper, movie, article, etc. I'm sure there are other examples, but I'm not an English major, so screw it.

However, your use of the capital letter "H" in your sentence was wrong. It always kills me how you religous folk capitialize any reference to your god.
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Jozadak
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 07:04 pm
Which Religion is the One True Religion?
Wow, what a question! There is only One True God. There is only One Son in Jeus Christ. I don't follow a Religion, I follow Jesus. He is the Way, the Truth and the Light. Nobody comes to the Father except thru me. You cannot earn it by doing good deeds. You cannot buy by giving lots of money or possesions to a church. You can only receive it from Jesus. You must believe in Him and Him alone. That He is the Son of God. That He came to earth as a man so that He could pay the price for your sins. And that He paid that price in FULL by allowing the powers to be to crucify Him on the cross. Believe that He rose again on the third day and now sits at the right hand of God preparing a place for you! Laughing When I went to church with my parents and looking back now (30+ years ago) it was like going to a social group. Everyone was nice, they had their pot luck dinners etc. etc. but did nothing to take Jesus to the people. Years later while trying to get back with my ex-girlfriend she said that she was a Christian now and her life HAD changed and from here on out she was going to live her life as a Christian. Soo, I said to myself "I can play that gig, I went to church" so I started going to the church which was, at the time, a home bible study group that was being held at her brothers house. I hung out with them and went to other churches that were having guest speakers and such. Christmas program or Easter program and along the way I had gotten a little paper book that explained about stuff for New believers or someone thinking about being born again. Everytime I came to the prayer of salvation I would begin to cry. Id put the book down and turn off the light and try to go to sleep. But I couldn't, I was wide awake. So, I would turn my light back on and start reading the book and when I came to that prayer I would start crying! I did that a couple more times and then suddenly it was like Jesus spoke right in my heart and said that I needed to say that prayer and mean it. So I got down next to my bed and said the prayer without any big fan fare but for some inexplicable reason I felt different inside. Over time I have experienced things such as getting a word for someone I don't know. For me, sometimes when I look at someone a thought will POP into my head. I go up to that person and explain the thought and they just look at me with eyes wide open and their jaw hanging open and then they say "howd you know that!?" When I explain to them that God showed it to me they would ask me to pray for them! It's pretty cool. It's called the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. I have been a born again Christian for quite some time now and have experienced all sorts of things. One time while at a worship service for the college crowd I was running the sound board and I looked over to a young man. When I did that he tapped the back of the chair in front of him and when he did that it was like I heard him say "man, when am I gonna get it?" After the service I went up on stage and told the audience what I thought I heard and said it was someone over on this side. Well when we were cleaning up I saw a bunch of people huddled around this young man and praying. Later as I was walking out with the Pastor and another friend the Pastor says to me "Oh, by the way, that young man just asked Jesus to be his Lord and Savior!! WOW, what a rush. I fell to the ground and started crying and couldn't believe that God allowed me to be apart of that!!!
So to summarize again. I donot follow a Religion, I follow Jesus. You don't go to hell for your misdeeds. You go to hell because if you die and have never asked Jesus into your heart, you go because your name is not written in the Lambs Book of Life and that happens ONLY if you will receive it on His terms and NOT on what makes us feel good. You cannot make decisions based on what sounds good or feels good to you. The Truth is the Truth wether you believe it or not. And Jesus will NOT return until EVERYONE has had the chance to make the decision to except Him or reject Him.

In His service
Jo
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Jozadak
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 07:13 pm
maporsche Near-Enthusiast
If you were an English major you would understand. If you knew Jesus as your personal Savior you would live with Him in the after life.

Jo
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 07:18 pm
Jozadak wrote:
maporsche Near-Enthusiast
If you were an English major you would understand. If you knew Jesus as your personal Savior you would live with Him in the after life.

Jo


Interesting guess.

But then of course...you might be wrong.

All that "personal savior" nonsense may be just that...nonsense. And maybe there is no "after life."

Maybe you just die and are gone forever.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 07:48 pm
Jozadak wrote:
maporsche Near-Enthusiast
If you were an English major you would understand. If you knew Jesus as your personal Savior you would live with Him in the after life.

Jo


Jozadak Just Hatched

Nothing in the English language dictates the need to capitalize a pronoun referencing the Christian god. A name is a proper noun and pronouns in reference to any name do not need to be capitalized (other than the obvious like the beginning of a sentence, etc).

The "god" I stated above also does not need to be capitialized as it is a generic noun, not a proper one.

In addition, why is God's gender assumed to be male? Why not she or her?

And PLEASE tell me why an English major would understand differently.

As far as your god is concerned, it can lick my balls.
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Jozadak
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 07:57 pm
Capitalization
Does it really matter if we like to capitalize or not!? Is it a life altering matter!? And do we have to revert to vocabulary words that any idiot knows how to use. Try to show some intelligence and use words more worthy of an intelligent being.
Now for the real question. Why are you soo angry towards God? or maybe your angry towards a church or someone claiming to be a christian? I truly don't want to argue with you but would rather enjoy a conversation? How about you?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:26 pm
I think he was just pointing out how long you have been doing it, Dys. I just assumed that your shift key was broken.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:33 pm
maporsche wrote:
real life wrote:
maporsche wrote:
real life wrote:

Actually He sees all.


Only morons capitalize pronouns.


You know, you really should think about what you write before you post it.

Do you not capitalize "I" in referring to yourself? If so, are you one of the morons to which you refer?


In the immortal words of Homer Simpson.....DOH!

Good call. Let me rephrase.

Only morons capitalize pronouns other than "I", that don't start at the beginning of a sentence or in the title of a paper, movie, article, etc. I'm sure there are other examples, but I'm not an English major, so screw it.

However, your use of the capital letter "H" in your sentence was wrong. It always kills me how you religous folk capitialize any reference to your god.


Well at least you have a great sense of humor.

Actually it is considered acceptable usage to do so since many languages of European derivation follow the same custom.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization Cool
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:33 pm
god in general is a noun and is not capitalized. Our Lord God is a proper name and is capitalized. When the word he is used it is used the same as God and, therefore, is capitlized as He. If that is going to be a point of discussion rather than the topic at hand then you will never find the answer to the original questions.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:35 pm
dyslexia wrote:
real life wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
Do morons start sentences with "i"? I guess only in real life they do.


dyslexia wrote:

i hate to sound trite (not really) but not unlike the "puzzle) of the tree falling in the woods there is an obvious answer in that sound is not an "event"unto itself, it is a process with an originati ...


from http://www.able2know.com/forums/about1119-0-asc-70.html

yeppers, i most often post on forums like this sans captializing and/or adequate punctuation. It is a fault i recognise and have been reprimanded on this many times. I am also often called a moron. what really surprises me is that you went back to Dec 03, 2002 to find me doing this.


Well, I started from the back and worked forward. It was on the second or third page. It took all of about 2 minutes to find. Cool
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:37 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
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Comment: Cloning humans is next. I wonder if god is the "creator?"


Is that a serious question, CI?
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:41 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
South Korean Scientists Clone Man's Best Friend, a First


By GINA KOLATA
Published: August 3, 2005
In a tour de force, a team of South Korean researchers reports it has cloned what scientists deem the most difficult animal of all - the dog.

It was a feat that took nearly three years of intensive effort, seven days a week, 365 days a year. Dogs have such an unusual reproductive biology, scientists say, that the methods that allowed them to clone sheep, mice, cows, goats, pigs, rabbits, cats, a mule, a horse and three rats, and to create cloned human embryos for stem cells, simply do not work with them.


Ahn Young-Joon/Associated Press
Scientists named the 67-day old dog Snuppy, for Seoul National University puppy.


Hwang Woo-Suk/Seoul National University
Snuppy, right, a baby Afghan hound, is the clone of the dog at left.
Other cloning researchers said they were in awe of the South Koreans' effort and dedication. Some had tried to clone dogs, but given up in despair.

Lee Beyong Chun, the first author of the dog cloning paper, published today in Nature, says he and his colleagues began the process on Aug. 2, 2002, supported by a grant from the South Korean government. Working nonstop and using 1,095 dog eggs, they finally ended up with a baby Afghan hound that is a clone of an adult male Afghan.

The puppy, an identical twin of the adult Afghan but born years later, was delivered by caesarian section on April 24 from a yellow Labrador surrogate mother. The pregnancy lasted a normal 60 days and the baby dog weighed a normal 550 grams, or one pound and 3.4 ounces.

The scientists named it Snuppy, for Seoul National University puppy.

Speaking of the Koreans' startling feat with dogs, a cloning researcher at Texas A & M University, Mark E. Westhusin, said dogs' "reproductive biology makes them a nightmare."

Dr. Westhusin cloned the first cat, in 2002, on his second attempt. But, he says, after trying for a few years to clone a dog, "I quit."

Dr. Westhusin's work with cats and dogs was sponsored by a private company, Genetic Savings & Clone of Sausalito, Calif. Its chief executive, Lou Hawthorne, says the company has spent seven years and more than $19 million dollars in its attempt to clone a dog. It just opened a new lab in Madison, Wis., with 50 employees. But, so far, no dogs have been cloned.

Other researchers say dog cloning is so hard they wouldn't touch it. George Seidel of Colorado State University says Genetic Savings & Clone approached him. "I refused," he said.


Comment: Cloning humans is next. I wonder if god is the "creator?"


Do you really want the dismal track record of cloning to be duplicated in the human family? Is it to "prove" that you are as smart as God?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:46 pm
You know the polio vaccination took years to perfect and many many failures happened along the way.

Should the dismal track record of developing a polio vaccination have deterred people from trying.

(I just used polio as an example, any scientific discovery, medical or otherwise, was a result of many errors)
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:49 pm
Has anybody considered why the Koreans may be cloning dogs? Did you know, or have you forgotten, that dogs are a food source in Korea?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:50 pm
Intrepid wrote:
god in general is a noun and is not capitalized. Our Lord God is a proper name and is capitalized. When the word he is used it is used the same as God and, therefore, is capitlized as He. If that is going to be a point of discussion rather than the topic at hand then you will never find the answer to the original questions.


This is just plain wrong.

George W. Bush is a proper name and is capitalized.

When the word "his" is used in the following sentence it is used the same as George W. Bush. When I say, "Bush is a moron, and so is His god." I should not capitalize "his" (the only reason I did is to show how stupid it looks).

As far as staying on topic, have you read this entire thread? There have been dozons of sub-topics; this is just another one.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:52 pm
Intrepid, If you know anything about my position on religion and gods, you would know that the question was made in jest. It was a rub against those who think god and religion is the answer to their life's devotion. Science continues to disprove the bible and its god.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:53 pm
C'mon guys. Take me up on this one here. I put a lot of effort on your behalf. Laughing
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 08:57 pm
neologist wrote:
How would you react if you cloned a human who, after being born naturally, displayed some terrible defect of health or character as a result of imperfect cloning, but had normal intelligence? What would you say to that person when they realized how they came to be?

I'm not commenting on the legal or theological implications; just what would you say?


"****, that sucks. Sometime life hands you lemons."
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2005 09:06 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Intrepid, If you know anything about my position on religion and gods, you would know that the question was made in jest. It was a rub against those who think god and religion is the answer to their life's devotion. Science continues to disprove the bible and its god.


That is your opinion. Of course, you are entitled to it. I disagree with you.
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