Frank Apisa wrote:RexRed wrote:
Adam and Eve knew the conditions (all trees but one) and the were told the consequences (on that day thou shalt surely die)...
They had a choice...
According to this silly, childish myth, they did NOT know there was anything wrong with disobeying. That knowledge was withheld from them by the idiot god.
Fact is, they did not even know there was anything wrong with dying...for all the myth explains.
And...since the god says they would die that very day...and Satan said they wouldn't...and since they didn't...
...it was the idiot god that lied....not Satan. (If it was Satan...there are arguments you Christians make against it being Satan.)
Would you believe a lie over the truth Frank?
RexRed wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:RexRed wrote:
Adam and Eve knew the conditions (all trees but one) and the were told the consequences (on that day thou shalt surely die)...
They had a choice...
According to this silly, childish myth, they did NOT know there was anything wrong with disobeying. That knowledge was withheld from them by the idiot god.
Fact is, they did not even know there was anything wrong with dying...for all the myth explains.
And...since the god says they would die that very day...and Satan said they wouldn't...and since they didn't...
...it was the idiot god that lied....not Satan. (If it was Satan...there are arguments you Christians make against it being Satan.)
Would you believe a lie over the truth Frank?
I don't "believe" things.
If I knew someone was lying...I would treat it as a lie.
Not sure of what your point is.
au1929 wrote:Religion what is it's value? What good has it ever done mankind? Rather than ask what is the true religion. I would ask what do we need it for.
What good has belief in God done anybody? Is this a serious question?
Have you ever stopped to consider how thin a thread your life hangs by? How if the chain of events that have led to your life were disrupted, your life might have been very different, or non-existent?
Chances are very good, for instance, that in the 20 centuries since the birth of Christ that at least a few of your direct ancestors were believers. If they were, it is likely that they may have taken their faith seriously enough so that at least some of their life's major decisions were based partly or totally on their convictions, (no doubt had you been there to observe it, you would have not liked this).
Decisions like who they married, what they chose as their life's work, how many children they had, how much and where they sent them to school, which in turn influenced where that next generation lived, what they did for a living, who they were able to meet and marry, and so on over and over and over thru the generations--------------------decisions like these were very likely made by at least a few of your direct ancestors (and possibly by many of them) at least in part influenced by their beliefs, (much to your consternation, I am sure).
So if any of these, your predecessors, had decided differently it is very easy to see that you could have been born in very different circumstances (likely worse, not better, since you probably live better now than 95% of humanity EVER has), or maybe not have been born at all.
So you tell me, what good has it done anybody?
It's nice that you brought your toys, Timber. You were playing so quietly in the corner I don't think anybody had even noticed you were here.
I noticed you posted a picture of 3 straw men, timber.
real life wrote:au1929 wrote:Religion what is it's value? What good has it ever done mankind? Rather than ask what is the true religion. I would ask what do we need it for.
What good has belief in God done anybody? Is this a serious question?
Have you ever stopped to consider how thin a thread your life hangs by? How if the chain of events that have led to your life were disrupted, your life might have been very different, or non-existent?
Chances are very good, for instance, that in the 20 centuries since the birth of Christ that at least a few of your direct ancestors were believers. If they were, it is likely that they may have taken their faith seriously enough so that at least some of their life's major decisions were based partly or totally on their convictions, (no doubt had you been there to observe it, you would have not liked this).
Decisions like who they married, what they chose as their life's work, how many children they had, how much and where they sent them to school, which in turn influenced where that next generation lived, what they did for a living, who they were able to meet and marry, and so on over and over and over thru the generations--------------------decisions like these were very likely made by at least a few of your direct ancestors (and possibly by many of them) at least in part influenced by their beliefs, (much to your consternation, I am sure).
So if any of these, your predecessors, had decided differently it is very easy to see that you could have been born in very different circumstances (likely worse, not better, since you probably live better now than 95% of humanity EVER has), or maybe not have been born at all.
So you tell me, what good has it done anybody?
In a long line of silly, inane posts, Life...this probably is one of the most inane and silly.
Life
You have outdone yourself. That by far IMO is the most meaningless idiotic response
ever to see the light of day on this forum.
I would also add that as usual you assume that a belief in the Supreme being automatically means a belief in Christianity and organized religion. Although I may believe in God I definitely do not believe in any man made religion or the myths of Jesus.
Again what has religion ever done for the good of mankind?
Frank, Au, Timber,
Your complete inability to respond has made my day. Your silence is truly golden.
I, for one, am glad that the chain of events that led to your life did NOT end, so that you are here. You can thank your parents, and their parents, and their parents, and their parents, and their parents, and their parents, and their parents, etc--------- that they did NOT believe in abortion.
real life wrote:Frank, Au, Timber,
Your complete inability to respond has made my day. Your silence is truly golden.
Your unwillingness to see and acknowledge our response....and to pretend that we didn't....made mine.
Thank you.
Quote:I, for one, am glad that the chain of events that led to your life did NOT end, so that you are here. You can thank your parents, and their parents, and their parents, and their parents, and their parents, and their parents, and their parents, etc--------- that they did NOT believe in abortion.
There is something in me that wants to say, "Sorry I can't say the same for you"...but that would be uncharitable. And I certainly wouldn't want that to be.
So I will instead say: Hey...I'm glad you are glad.
real life
Another one! Doesn't your keeper have to review your responses before you are allowed to post them?
real life wrote:
Actually He sees all.
Only morons capitalize pronouns.
maporsche wrote:real life wrote:
Actually He sees all.
Only morons capitalize pronouns.
You know, you really should think about what you write before you post it.
Do you not capitalize "I" in referring to yourself? If so, are you one of the morons to which you refer?
Do morons start sentences with "i"? I guess only in real life they do.
real life wrote:maporsche wrote:real life wrote:
Actually He sees all.
Only morons capitalize pronouns.
You know, you really should think about what you write before you post it.
Do you not capitalize "I" in referring to yourself? If so, are you one of the morons to which you refer?
Gotta give credit where credit is due:
This was probably your finest post ever, Life.
I was wondering how you would respond....and the "I"...never came to mind.
Congratulations!
Frank Apisa wrote:real life wrote:maporsche wrote:real life wrote:
Actually He sees all.
Only morons capitalize pronouns.
You know, you really should think about what you write before you post it.
Do you not capitalize "I" in referring to yourself? If so, are you one of the morons to which you refer?
Gotta give credit where credit is due:
This was probably your finest post ever, Life.
I was wondering how you would respond....and the "I"...never came to mind.
Congratulations!
How embarrassing! To be congratulated by Frank! What has happened to me?
real life wrote:dyslexia wrote:Do morons start sentences with "i"? I guess only in real life they do.
dyslexia wrote:
i hate to sound trite (not really) but not unlike the "puzzle) of the tree falling in the woods there is an obvious answer in that sound is not an "event"unto itself, it is a process with an originati ...
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yeppers, i most often post on forums like this sans captializing and/or adequate punctuation. It is a fault i recognise and have been reprimanded on this many times. I am also often called a moron. what really surprises me is that you went back to Dec 03, 2002 to find me doing this.
South Korean Scientists Clone Man's Best Friend, a First
By GINA KOLATA
Published: August 3, 2005
In a tour de force, a team of South Korean researchers reports it has cloned what scientists deem the most difficult animal of all - the dog.
It was a feat that took nearly three years of intensive effort, seven days a week, 365 days a year. Dogs have such an unusual reproductive biology, scientists say, that the methods that allowed them to clone sheep, mice, cows, goats, pigs, rabbits, cats, a mule, a horse and three rats, and to create cloned human embryos for stem cells, simply do not work with them.
Ahn Young-Joon/Associated Press
Scientists named the 67-day old dog Snuppy, for Seoul National University puppy.
Hwang Woo-Suk/Seoul National University
Snuppy, right, a baby Afghan hound, is the clone of the dog at left.
Other cloning researchers said they were in awe of the South Koreans' effort and dedication. Some had tried to clone dogs, but given up in despair.
Lee Beyong Chun, the first author of the dog cloning paper, published today in Nature, says he and his colleagues began the process on Aug. 2, 2002, supported by a grant from the South Korean government. Working nonstop and using 1,095 dog eggs, they finally ended up with a baby Afghan hound that is a clone of an adult male Afghan.
The puppy, an identical twin of the adult Afghan but born years later, was delivered by caesarian section on April 24 from a yellow Labrador surrogate mother. The pregnancy lasted a normal 60 days and the baby dog weighed a normal 550 grams, or one pound and 3.4 ounces.
The scientists named it Snuppy, for Seoul National University puppy.
Speaking of the Koreans' startling feat with dogs, a cloning researcher at Texas A & M University, Mark E. Westhusin, said dogs' "reproductive biology makes them a nightmare."
Dr. Westhusin cloned the first cat, in 2002, on his second attempt. But, he says, after trying for a few years to clone a dog, "I quit."
Dr. Westhusin's work with cats and dogs was sponsored by a private company, Genetic Savings & Clone of Sausalito, Calif. Its chief executive, Lou Hawthorne, says the company has spent seven years and more than $19 million dollars in its attempt to clone a dog. It just opened a new lab in Madison, Wis., with 50 employees. But, so far, no dogs have been cloned.
Other researchers say dog cloning is so hard they wouldn't touch it. George Seidel of Colorado State University says Genetic Savings & Clone approached him. "I refused," he said.
Comment: Cloning humans is next. I wonder if god is the "creator?"
