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What might be the result of a Clinton presidency?

 
 
Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 10:43 am
Obviously this question is in response to Snoods query about a Sanders presidency. It is funny as I write this, I am pretty sure I know the result of a second Clinton presidency.

I expect the economy will do quite well. I expect Wall Street and big business to be quite happy. I would also expect the trend of woman's rights, abortion rights and LGBT rights to continue to expand.

I would expect no real progress on healthcare from an incrementalist policy, there may be some little fixes around the edges, but a proportion of Americans will continue to be uncovered or under-insured. I would also expect nothing would be done to stop the trend of healthcare clinics being forced to close and healthcare providers consolidating.

I would also expect very little progress from Clinton on criminal justice reform. There may be speeches, but I don't believe that the problem of over-incarceration, particularly of minority men, will be addressed.

And I would expect that there would be very little new regulation or enforcement of the big banks or big business. The trend of bank profits sky-rocketing will continue.

Clinton is the establishment candidate. She is about supporting existing structures and addressing big issues with little fixes. The last Clinton Administration brought us "Don't Ask Don't tell", the "End of Welfare as we know it", and tough on crime laws. All of these things were appeals to the middle that ended up leaving problems unsolved and people hurt.

This was true in the last Clinton administration and there is no indication that it would be different in the next one.

What do you think?
 
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 12:38 pm
@maxdancona,
Well put, Max
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 12:48 pm
@maxdancona,
The biggest thing the next president will face is the replacement of at least 1 USSC justice. I really care not who in the Dem is elected, but the possibility of a majority ultra conservative USSC could set back lots more than the voters rights.

When the plutocracy is GOP I have actual fears for all Americans, when the plutocracy is DEM, they feel all guiltied -up for being rich.

Our last 2 GOP presidents got u into sustained wars, with the second Iraqi adventure being a total waste of lives and fortune.

I orta dont care qwho of the two DEMs is elected (they both are sincere liars and Bernie's brain is prtly fed by his wife)
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 01:25 pm
I asked the same question in a thread a week or two back. Got one reply.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 03:00 pm
4 years of my bitching about what a crappy President we have.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 03:18 pm
@McGentrix,
Congress is deadlocked, so it doesn't matter who our president is.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 03:21 pm
@McGentrix,
Probably me too, we all know I can hardly stand her, but I'd rather her than a GOP nominee and the devastation that would bring.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 03:54 pm
With a republican congress if she can do the things you laid out I think it would be wonderful, and than there is the supreme court. Would Bernie as a socialist put a liberal on the court. There are more things he dont talk about than things he does. I would like to hear how he is going to get free universal collage, free universal health care, and transfer the cost of his free programs to the very rich. Bernie is a politician and I am not sure he knows the difference between lies and promises that wont be kept. But after 80 years of listening to politicians I do. He is pie in the sky, but Hillary is pragmatic and I think knows what can be done and what cant.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 04:06 pm
@RABEL222,
Outlandish promises in politics is nothing new. The sad thing is that many voters don't know the difference between lies and truths. Candidates promises can't be kept, because presidents don't make the laws. They can only veto or approve them.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 05:36 pm
During the campaign, Hillary's views are like a weather vane. If the polls shift, her view shifts. That's why you have look back at her history of lies and bad judgments to get the gist of her "character" and see where she is heading. Under her will be war, war, and more war. Trade bills such as TPP will be put in force. Healthcare will stay the same and get more and more manipulated and corrupted by insurance companies and big pharma.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 06:29 pm
@edgarblythe,
Do you wonder why so many are so taken by Hillary? Her lies and shifts seem obvious.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 06:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/04/16/3647856/hillary-clinton-undocumented-drivers-license/
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 06:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
One more example. Shifting positions like that was one of Kerry's given reasons for not getting elected. Why she gets a pass is anybody's guess.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 06:51 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

One more example. Shifting positions like that was one of Kerry's given reasons for not getting elected. Why she gets a pass is anybody's guess.


You think she's getting a pass? Can you point us to a thread on this site where Kerry's fellow Democrats tried to viciously knee-cap him as you are trying to do to her?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 13 Feb, 2016 06:53 pm
Do your own search.
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LoneJogger
 
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Reply Mon 15 Feb, 2016 02:46 pm
Breaking it down much more simply than it deserves:

A vote for Clinton is a vote to keep things exactly as they are.
A vote for Sanders is a vote toward repairing a severely broken system that caters to the super rich (this is not a conspiracy theory, it's evident and proved over and over again).
A vote for any of the likely GOP candidates puts American values in a stranglehold.

Finally, for anyone who doesn't understand the difference between democratic socialism (which we use daily in America) and socialism, take a few moments to watch this video. Voting is so much better when you know what you're voting for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh9vM7v4pu0
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 15 Feb, 2016 03:51 pm
@McGentrix,
That's funny because I happen to think Hilary is one of the people who most aligns with you politically (except perhaps on guns but she isn't gonna move the needle there much if she tries at all).
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 01:55 pm
@LoneJogger,
LoneJogger wrote:


Finally, for anyone who doesn't understand the difference between democratic socialism (which we use daily in America) and socialism, take a few moments to watch this video. Voting is so much better when you know what you're voting for:


You think Americans in the general election are going to take the time to watch this video and understand it?

The right will broadcast SOCIALIST all over the airways and Bernie will lose 35 states in the election.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 04:36 pm
Hillary is more of an ideologue than Bill, and far less of a politician, to the extent that a politician is someone who can compromise and get things done through politics, as opposed to fiat and coercion.

Four years of her as president will be much like the last eight years under Obama, but with a more robust foreign policy.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 06:29 pm
A Sport trainer fit young men at the White House helping ma'm Clinton at her work place ?
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