Squeakybro
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 08:48 pm
@maxdancona,
Sounds like God dropped you.

Heb 12:6-8
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
(KJV)

Matt 15:13
13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
(NKJ)

maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 08:56 pm
@Squeakybro,
Quote:
Sounds like God dropped you.


Actually it was mutual. Technically, I am the one who broke it off, But we both knew that our relationship wasn't working out, I don't think it was a surprise to Him I ended it. Part of the problem was that he was jealous all the time and controlling, I just decided I didn't want to live that way. In the end we wished each other the best and went our separate ways.

I was going to look for a relationship with another deity, but honestly I think I am Ok on my own.

Squeakybro
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 09:20 pm
@maxdancona,
Oh you have another relationship.

2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
(NKJ)

II Th 2:4
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(NKJ)

neologist
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 09:40 pm
@Squeakybro,
Squeakybro wrote:
. . . deceit . . .
You should have it out with your 'spirit' about this.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 09:53 pm
@Squeakybro,
Nah, I don't care for Satan any more than I care for God. They are both Christian deities, neither of them are part of the life of people who don't accept the Christian (or Mulsim) world view.

I left Satan behind at the same time I left God. I don't think about either of them any more. If you still obsess about Satan, then he is part of your life, not mine.

Think about it Squeakybro, how much better your life could be if you just left both God and Satan behind and started living life, loving your neighbors and enjoying the best of what this world has to offer without all this obsessive worry.

I left God, and my life is much better now. You can do it too.


Squeakybro
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 10:01 pm
@maxdancona,
No you didn't leave satan behind. Its just that satan won over. He is the great deceiver.


1 Cor 3:18-20
18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, "He catches the wise in their own craftiness";
20 and again, "The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile."
(NKJ)

maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 10:11 pm
@Squeakybro,
I think that your Satan has deceived you SqueakyBro. Satan has tricked you into seeing God as a cruel petty tyrant, worse than the dictator in North Korea, who throws people into burning fire for daring to question him.

You don't even see how horrible your image of God is. Take a step back and read your responses on this thread. If your children were saying about you what you are saying about God, would you feel honored?

If God was as brutal and barbaric as you have been saying, why would anyone worship Him?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2016 10:48 pm
@maxdancona,
How many nuts and true believers in some old testament cartoon god had killed in his name in our own life time.

Let see we had Jim Jones and the mass murders at Jonestown and of course another man of "god" ‎David Koresh at Waco.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 08:14 am
@maxdancona,
I have never said God was any of those things. That is what you have been telling me that you see Him that way. You have been using all the gross exaggerations. All I have testified is He created us He can do anything He wants to do. Without looking to you for approval .
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 08:53 am
@BillRM,
You are so locked in to your gross exaggerations I don't think your delusions can be erased. But Jesus told us not to go by anything in the old testament.

ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT
FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 4:4-5
4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
1 Cor 10:1-12
1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,
2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
3 all ate the same spiritual food,
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.
7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play."
8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell;
9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents;
10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come.
12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
Rom 13:8
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
John 4:23-24
23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 3:33
33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
John 3:35-36
35 "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3-8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
Gal 2:19-21
19 "For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Gal 3:24-25
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 5:1-5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 4:21
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
Rom 7:4-6
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-- to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 13:10
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
1 Pet 2:19-21
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
(NKJ)
xxx Jesus wants everyone who is going to be a christian to understand that the new covenant(testament) is just that new. That you cant go back and keep any part of the old testament that Jesus hasnt brought over to the new testament. Jesus new what to bring over man doesnt. But the old testament has to be obsolete to you in order for you to get the fullness of the new testament. 11John 1-9 is very specific if you dont abide(live) in the new testament you dont have the real God. There IS a veil over the old testament that remains to THIS day.
If Jesus were in the old testament this verse could only be meant for God and the angels. But Jesus wasnt in the old testament.

John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

xxx Jesus nailed the old testament to the cross. If you have nailed the old testament to your cross, you are in Christ.

Col 2:13-14
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
(NKJ)

Acts 15:10
10 "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
(NKJ)

Acts 15:24-29
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law'-- to whom we gave no such commandment--
25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
(NKJ)


Rom 2:1-29

1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6 who "will render to each one according to his deeds":
7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-- indignation and wrath,
9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;
10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God,
18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law,
19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,
20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law.
21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?
24 For "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," as it is written.
25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision?
27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
(NKJ)


Heb 8:7
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
(NKJ)

Heb 10:1

1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
(NKJ)


Col 2:11-14
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
(NKJ)


Heb 10:9
9 then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
(NKJ)


Gal 5:1-4

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(NKJ)
Luke 16:13
13 "No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."


Gal 3:10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
(NKJ)








BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 09:10 am
@Squeakybro,
Quote:
All I have testified is He created us He can do anything He wants to do. Without looking to you for approval .


So you can killed or torture or whatever to your own kids by that logic.

If there was such a god for real the main goal of mankind would be to find a way to destroy such a monster just as children would have a right to defend themselves against their parents.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 09:27 am
@Squeakybro,
Quote:
All I have testified is He created us He can do anything He wants to do. Without looking to you for approval .


Apparently one of the things He wants to do is throw people into a burning lake of fire... or do I misunderstand what you are saying.

I don't approve of throwing anyone into a lake of fire (let alone my friends, coworkers and family).
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 09:37 am
@Squeakybro,
So this silliness give your comfort and that is fine indeed for you but it is nonsense and lacking in all logic and give you no rights to declare others as sinners due to one of a long line of a man/god myths claimed teachings.

Footnote whole societies who dare to question if this man/god being human was in fact a part of the godhead and was therefore divine was put to the sword over the issue.

So you have every right just like the early Christians to believes in any nonsense you care to just not the right as the early Christians did to pull out swords and killed people that are of the opinions that your believes are nonsense.

Squeakybro
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 10:27 am
@BillRM,
lol Your away out there in la la land. You have a perverted mind. I said God can do anything. I never said I could. You look at God as though He were no more than a man. That is perverted.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 10:31 am
@maxdancona,
There is a lot of sick logic going on here. Where do you come up with that stuff. Where do you get the "want to" part from.


2 Pet 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
(NKJ)

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 10:32 am
@Squeakybro,
It seems to me that you are saying that God will throw people who don't accept His rules, including your neighbors and family and mine, into a lake of fire for eternal torment.

Am I wrong about this?



Squeakybro
 
  0  
Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 10:33 am
@BillRM,
That is what is scary to real Christians. The logic you use is away out there is la la land some where. You have a perverted mind.
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Squeakybro
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 10:36 am
@maxdancona,
Yes. But all His rules are to deliver us from people that use your kind of logic.
Which has put the world in the sad shape it is in now. The devil likes you because your dumb enough to spread his message. Which is going to send a lot of people down that lake.


Luke 1:50
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
(NKJ)

Again God created us. God can do ANYTHING He wants to do to us. And because of your arrogant pride your going to help the devil send many to the lake of fire. Because all those who DONT worship God will go into the lake.

BillRM
 
  1  
Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 10:54 am
@Squeakybro,
Strange as most Christians throughout history had not let god do the killings or the torturing but had proudly shown their faith by doing so themselves.

Quote:
You look at God as though He were no more than a man. That is perverted.


I look at god as must less then a man but as just an imaginative being.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2016 10:57 am
@Squeakybro,
Quote:
Yes. But all His rules are to deliver us from people that use your kind of logic.
Which has put the world in the sad shape it is in now. The devil likes you because your dumb enough to spread his message. Which is going to send a lot of people down that lake.


How interesting as those so call rules all too often call for killing and torturing other human beings by not the make up god but such people as yourself IE the true believers.
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