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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:14 am
I tried to watch the debate last night. I made it through about 15 minutes and just couldn't continue. The Fox Business venue just made it a full on propaganda presentation facilitating falsehoods, half-truths, and the continuation of complete lunacies. Add to that the coloration of reality-TV standards and it all became, for me, like some exercise where I was trying to find beauty or spiritual enhancement in watching cows take a ****.
roger
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:16 am
@blatham,
Enlightenment happens for the darndest reasons, and at the oddest times.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:25 am
@roger,
And fails to happen for reasons easily as interesting, if terribly disheartening.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2016 08:50 am
@blatham,
You're being quite unfair to cows taking a **** here.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2016 08:52 am
@blatham,
Afraid I don't know who Buckley and Galbraith are.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2016 09:46 am
I couldn't stomach the debate at all - will take bits and pieces from highlight videos, but it's just too depressing to hear these people talk and them actually thinking they could run this country....probably to the ground.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2016 11:28 am
@Olivier5,
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Afraid I don't know who Buckley and Galbraith are.

William F Buckley, Jr and John Kenneth Galbraith. See Wikipedia or other sources.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2016 11:33 am
@CalamityJane,
Yes. It's depressing.
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2016 05:46 pm
http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/5698a0652a00002c0003093f.jpeg
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2016 10:26 pm
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Also adrift is our current understanding of when humans arrived in the Arctic. In a new paper published today in Science, a team of Russian researchers made the case that humans occupied the region as early as 45,000 years ago, several millennia earlier than archaeologists had previously believed.
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/01/mammoth-humans-arctic-history/424080/

Huge difference in timeline.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 06:58 am
@wmwcjr,
A fine front page. I loved living in New York. Absolutely loved it. A frequent and always-welcome overnight guest was Helen of Troy, a serious conservative who will not be supporting Bufoon the Authoritarian, I can say with full certainty.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 07:07 am
@roger,
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I saw one Mike Nichols/Elaine May skit. So good I'm tempted to track down more.

Let your temptation get the best of you. They were, I think, as good as it gets.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 08:28 am
This is just soooo special. Brat was, of course, the dude who rid Congress of Eric Cantor.

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GOPer Dave Brat Attacks Obama For Citing Bible, Says Right 'Owns The Tradition' Of Christian Love
SUBMITTED BY Brian Tashman on Tuesday, 1/12/2016 2:50 pm
President Obama can never seem to win with Republicans, who seem to attack him for not talking about the Bible enough and then attack him even harder when he does.

Take, for example, American Family Radio host Sandy Rios’ interview yesterday with Rep. Dave Brat, R-Va., in which Brat expressed his anger that Obama cited Christian teachings when he criticized Republicans for their attempts to block the resettlement of Syrian refugees in the U.S.


The president, Brat said, “is using the Christian tradition and trying to bring about compassion by bonking Republicans over the head with the Bible. It’s almost a comedy routine on what compassion and love is. He’s mocking his enemies in order to compel a larger federal state using the tradition of love.”

He said that the conservative movement “needs to reeducate its people that we own the entire tradition” of Christian love, because liberal professors “have rejected natural law” and religious ideas.
http://bit.ly/1UX5c2i

And from Wonkette...
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"We're going to go out on a limb here and say his suggestion that somehow conservative Republicans have the market cornered on being Christlike toward the Syrian refugees is maybe just a tad questionable."

h/t Steve Benen
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 12:06 pm
Of course, Brat won't point out the fact that white fundamentalists were among the biggest supporters of Jim Crow. They perverted a certain passage in Genesis 9 to justify oppression of black Americans. Their false doctrine -- the so-called "curse of Ham" doctrine -- was used for generations to justify racial hatred; in other words, sins committed by white racist bigots against black Americans. Jerry Falwell, W.A. Criswell, and many other white fundamentalist preachers were militant segregationists. (Of course, Falwell and Criswell later moderated their image for the sake of political expediency; but that was only because the civil rights movement had achieved a measure of success.) The original Religious Right was the Ku Klux Klan. The record is long and painful. So, the little Brat (who is a white Southerner, after all) should know better. But in addition to being self-righteous, he's probably intellectually dishonest as well.

The fact of the matter is that true Christianity is not "owned" by either the political right or the political left. (By the way, I speak as a Christian.)
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 07:44 pm
@wmwcjr,
I think we can presume that Brat isn't a fan of the current Pope. But is anyone on the right a fan of Francis' notions on compassion? I'm sure there are some but they are a tad scarce in numbers or very silent.

Digby has a good post up on Huckabee and how he is presently trying to wound Cruz (his competitor for the christian right vote) by siding with Trump (of all people)...

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Get a load of this amazing display of smarmy hypocrisy from a hardcore member of the Christian Right:

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“New York politics are different than they are in Arkansas, but it’s not my duty to explain them,” he said. “Look, if you want to talk about candidates who’ve switched positions, you’ve got a bunch of them out there who’ve changed on the Trans Pacific Partnership, and on ethanol, and on foreign policy. Donald Trump’s positions, if they’ve changed, have changed over the last 15 years. Not the last 15 minutes.”


Wow. We're talking gays and abortion here, Huck. Your wheelhouse ...

That's just fascinating to me. It occurs to me that while it's been obvious to me that this wacky race may end up mortally wounding the GOP. It hadn't occurred to me until just now that it might wreck the Christian Right as well.

It will be interesting to see if Cruz's hit on Trump works. Nothing else has.
http://bit.ly/1RN7TGe

Now there's a thought I hadn't previously entertained but it is worth considering.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 07:52 pm
@blatham,
Cruz stepped into it when he talked about "New Yorkers," and Trump asked about Cruz being born in Canada. It's gonna be a long haul for him to overcome these two issues.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 07:56 pm
@blatham,
My cousins might be, but I'm not going to ask from afar.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 07:57 pm
@blatham,
My cousins are likely to be, but I'm not going to ask from afar.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 08:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I quite like the way Josh Marshall, just days ago, framed the dilemma for both of these guys...
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Like two zen masters facing off in a martial arts classic or perhaps two wizards doing battle in The Lord of the Rings, we have an epic confrontation between two masters who have trained for decades in the arts of assholery and bullying. But their powers equally matched, it is a stand off."


Then, after the incident you mention, here's Josh's take. Similar to yours...
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The Cruz camp seemed to realize that that exchange was highly damaging. In part it was damaging on the substance. 9/11 is the pulsing 50 million volt wire at the center of the gas-filled early 21st century GOP worldview. Once it's invoked, everyone has to run for cover, bow down, run, clap. There's no fighting it. And here Cruz walked right into it, totally unaware of what was coming. It was Cruz at his nastiest, smarmiest, callowest best. And BAM! He didn't know what hit him.

But there's another element to this beyond getting angled into insulting the city that endured the brunt of the 9/11 attacks. Always in Republican politics but especially in this cycle, much of the meta-messaging of the campaign is about dominating and being dominated. It is the central theme of Trump's whole message and he has used his competitors as the canvas on which he paints the picture. Trump didn't just catch Cruz out with 9/11, he crushed him. He dominated him. Completely. If you watch the video below, you can see Cruz's face start subtly to wilt as he sees what's happening and is helpless to defend himself. And not half way into Trump's assault Cruz starts clapping. Cheering the man who is in the midst of eviscerating him. That kind of weakness can't go unanswered in the battle to be the nominee the Republican base is looking for. That's why Cruz is running around so stung today.

But read the whole piece. You'll like it. http://bit.ly/1RN8Jm4
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 08:28 pm
@ossobuco,
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My cousins might be, but I'm not going to ask from afar.

Yes. I tempered my statement because some will be.

But it has been very interesting to attend to right wing media over the last two years as Francis has revealed his personal understanding of the christian gospel and mission. And that understanding is very far from what is held by Brent Bozell or Richard Viguerie or the catholic writers at NRO, to name just a few catholics with a high profile in US conservatism - the responsibility of the wealthy to look out for those far less well off, his initiatives on global warming, etc. These are anathema to modern right wing Catholic ideology. The Catholic League's Bill Donohue has been particularly interesting for me to watch. He is as cold-hearted and compassionless a bully as either Trump or Cruz.

And how do these people (not to mention so many other "christians" on Fox or talk radio etc deal with what Francis is so clearly voicing? Almost universally, they ignore it and attempt to divert attention as Donohue has done. "The liberals and their media are spinning what Francis is saying and lying about who Francis is. He's not on the liberals' side. He isn't in favor, like liberals are, of killing millions and millions of unborn babies. Liberals are lying and playing politics". (I'm paraphrasing but that's how he plays this and that's how the other play it too). A common claim is that Francis has been "hoodwinked" by lefties and leftwing media.

These are despicable individuals with a despicable ideology.
 

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