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Why all religion is pointless

 
 
donohue100
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:30 am
WOAH, thanks for that Lekatt very interesting reading, it would be such a nice thought to think after we die we live on. However I never take anything I read seriously as this story may have been fabricated. I would be a much happier person knowing that dieing is not the end of my world and there is something else.

Please let it be so....

There is so many people with no faith in the world including myself, its very difficult to cope with life when you think of it as merley a biological event. About the consciousness being not contained in the body if this was the case wy do people lose their personality when they have a brain injury.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 07:32 am
Lekatt wrote

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Science doesn't know anymore where this universe came from than a broom stick, don't let yourself be fooled without study the issues.



And Religion does? Science has a firm grip on that broomstick and religion has it's head -----------.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 08:36 am
Re: God is Real
Lekatt wrote:
There is no science that has proven God doesn't exist. If you are an atheist then you have faith that He doesn't exist, similar to theists who have faith that He does. Don't fool yourself into thinking science has replaced religion.


The difference is that science approaches the question by looking at the facts, and religion starts with an irrational assumption and works backwards trying to prove it is true.
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Lekatt
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 09:27 am
donohue100 wrote:
WOAH, thanks for that Lekatt very interesting reading, it would be such a nice thought to think after we die we live on. However I never take anything I read seriously as this story may have been fabricated. I would be a much happier person knowing that dieing is not the end of my world and there is something else.

Please let it be so....

There is so many people with no faith in the world including myself, its very difficult to cope with life when you think of it as merley a biological event. About the consciousness being not contained in the body if this was the case wy do people lose their personality when they have a brain injury.


Because the brain is the interface between your spirit and body, something like a motherboard. If the interface is damaged then things don't work correctly. Your spirit is ok, but just can't get through the damage to work the body. I am not going to tell you I know all about this, because I don't. If you will read the FAQs and the experiences you will come to understand how this happens. I personally experienced a NDE, and it leaves you with no doubt at all.

Edit: Moderator: Do not post links to your website

There is over 200 NDEs and a lot of other information, but it is worth reading, if you think my site may be biased then go search out other sites. We say things differently, but the main point is the same.

Love
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Lekatt
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 09:29 am
au1929 wrote:
Lekatt wrote

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Science doesn't know anymore where this universe came from than a broom stick, don't let yourself be fooled without study the issues.



And Religion does? Science has a firm grip on that broomstick and religion has it's head -----------.



Please don't jump to conclusions, I am not a member of any religion, nor care to be.

Love
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Lekatt
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 09:35 am
Re: God is Real
kickycan wrote:
Lekatt wrote:
There is no science that has proven God doesn't exist. If you are an atheist then you have faith that He doesn't exist, similar to theists who have faith that He does. Don't fool yourself into thinking science has replaced religion.


The difference is that science approaches the question by looking at the facts, and religion starts with an irrational assumption and works backwards trying to prove it is true.


Sounds like you just came from science class. Where the universe started facts do not exist. No one knows where, how, or when the first matter/energy appeared. Neither do they know what if anything caused it. While both science and religion make irrational assumptions, both also contain logic and critical thinking. The wise attempt to separate the two.


Love
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 09:50 am
Re: God is Real
Lekatt wrote:
kickycan wrote:
Lekatt wrote:
There is no science that has proven God doesn't exist. If you are an atheist then you have faith that He doesn't exist, similar to theists who have faith that He does. Don't fool yourself into thinking science has replaced religion.


The difference is that science approaches the question by looking at the facts, and religion starts with an irrational assumption and works backwards trying to prove it is true.


Sounds like you just came from science class. Where the universe started facts do not exist. No one knows where, how, or when the first matter/energy appeared. Neither do they know what if anything caused it. While both science and religion make irrational assumptions, both also contain logic and critical thinking. The wise attempt to separate the two.


Love

Science doesn't claim to know what caused the first appearance of matter, energy, or life, or the cause of it. Religion does.

Science does not make any statements as fact without using logic and critical thinking to come to conclusions. Religion does.

Of the two, which would you say uses a more logical and critical approach?
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Jer
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:01 am
Lekatt,

It goes like this...

Two guys were hanging out in a field one day. It was just the two of them and whatever field creatures were milling about. There was no "God".

Then some thunder happened or lightning struck and one of the men told the other man that a great being (God) had created the thunder or lightning.

The other man said, "I don't know about that." The first man then replied, "I do know. You will know when you feel it, and I feel it."

---

Man created "God" rather than the opposite.

The creation of God boils down to an electronics salesman giving you misinformation because he's scared of telling you that he doesn't know the answer to your question but still wants you to buy what he's selling.
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InTraNsiTiOn
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:13 am
IMO Santa was a much better topic!
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:15 am
Holy sh.it.

This thread got a HUGE dose of Viagra somewhere and I was not on the receiving end! Mad Laughing
It went from Jesus, to Santa , to Lesbian love.. hehehe.. ( kidding.just get a room ) Laughing to near death?

> sigh <

I saw a few things that made me say ... wtf?

Like someone saying that Wicca is a derivitave of Christianity? Shocked
That makes absoultly no sence to me. Maybe sometime an elaboration may be posted? Witchcraft/ Wicca etc... has nothing to do with christianity and involves many diffrent aspects that the christian church never even acknowledges about goddess/god, spirituality etc..

THEN I saw some santa bashing. hehehe..
Santa can take his coal and shove it up his big red fuzzy fat flying raindeer ..... _______! Laughing ( I just had to add some bashing )

And near death experiences? Well.. brain wave patterning is something that can be shown... but as for what is seen during that ' time ' can not.
You can not see what someone is technically ' dreaming'. The power of suggestion is something that can never be removed from someone. Meaning, if I prep you for a test, and I keep telling you that I am looking for a certain responce, by my suggestion, the odds are in my favor of getting that exact responce.
For years people have heard others talk about what ' happened in thier NDE' basically creating a suggested outline for a ND experience. I am not in any way DISMISSING the experiences. I am just stating why I de-bunk the thought of a NDE being a type of physical proof. I still stand by the statement I made before.
There is no proof of anything until you die. Since noone had died and lived to tell about it... we have no clue, just faith and personal choices in our concept of the afterlife.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:17 am
That's how I see it too, Jer - what a succinct description.
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Lekatt
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:18 am
Re: God is Real
kickycan wrote:
Lekatt wrote:
kickycan wrote:
Lekatt wrote:
There is no science that has proven God doesn't exist. If you are an atheist then you have faith that He doesn't exist, similar to theists who have faith that He does. Don't fool yourself into thinking science has replaced religion.


The difference is that science approaches the question by looking at the facts, and religion starts with an irrational assumption and works backwards trying to prove it is true.


Sounds like you just came from science class. Where the universe started facts do not exist. No one knows where, how, or when the first matter/energy appeared. Neither do they know what if anything caused it. While both science and religion make irrational assumptions, both also contain logic and critical thinking. The wise attempt to separate the two.


Love

Science doesn't claim to know what caused the first appearance of matter, energy, or life, or the cause of it. Religion does.

Science does not make any statements as fact without using logic and critical thinking to come to conclusions. Religion does.

Of the two, which would you say uses a more logical and critical approach?



I will have to disagree with you since things like evolution is being taught in school as if it were fact instead of theory. The main thing I have noticed about science students is their willingness to call anything spiritual delusional. They, of course, have no proof of this. They are either taught this or "catch" it from the teachers.

The last thing is you can use logic and/or critical thinking all day long and not come up with any truth. Truth comes from first-hand knowledge and experience. You can't sit at home in your easy chair and logically discover life on Mars.

Love
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Lekatt
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:22 am
Jer wrote:
Lekatt,

It goes like this...

Two guys were hanging out in a field one day. It was just the two of them and whatever field creatures were milling about. There was no "God".

Then some thunder happened or lightning struck and one of the men told the other man that a great being (God) had created the thunder or lightning.

The other man said, "I don't know about that." The first man then replied, "I do know. You will know when you feel it, and I feel it."

---

Man created "God" rather than the opposite.

The creation of God boils down to an electronics salesman giving you misinformation because he's scared of telling you that he doesn't know the answer to your question but still wants you to buy what he's selling.


You have given an opinion, not anything to debate.
Everyone has an opinion, that's why we use evidence in debating.

Love
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:22 am
Re: God is Real
Lekatt wrote:
I will have to disagree with you since things like evolution is being taught in school as if it were fact instead of theory.


It's called the theory of evolution for a reason. It is not taught as fact, it is taught as a theory.

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The last thing is you can use logic and/or critical thinking all day long and not come up with any truth.


I agree. But the chances are better using these tools than using irrational guesses.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:22 am
Out of all the religions ever created i personally hate christianity the most. It is responsible for more death and destruction of man kind then anything else that is present today.

My opinion. I own it.
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Jer
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:23 am
Evolution is taught because it is the most plausible theory. Ie. The theory with the most FACT to back it up. The beauty about science is that if another theory becomes more plausible it will become the theory that is taught.

With religion, the original story is THE story. Religions don't, generally speaking, want to discover new stories, because it makes their story invalid.
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Lekatt
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:26 am
shewolfnm wrote:
Out of all the religions ever created i personally hate christianity the most. It is responsible for more death and destruction of man kind then anything else that is present today.

My opinion. I own it.


I dislike all hate, death, and killing, including that done by the instruments of science -- atom bomb, poison gas, biological weapons, planes, tanks, machine guns, well you get the idea.

Love
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:26 am
Good point, Jer, and as their story has the imprimatur of the Lord of Hosts, it would be impossible to abandon a word of it.
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Lekatt
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:30 am
Jer wrote:
Evolution is taught because it is the most plausible theory. Ie. The theory with the most FACT to back it up. The beauty about science is that if another theory becomes more plausible it will become the theory that is taught.

With religion, the original story is THE story. Religions don't, generally speaking, want to discover new stories, because it makes their story invalid.


Plausible to who? Have all theories been investigated, I think not.

Not going to do it here, but evolution is the easiest to disprove.

Love
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fortune
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:31 am
Re: God is Real
kickycan wrote:
Science doesn't claim to know what caused the first appearance of matter, energy, or life, or the cause of it. Religion does.


Oh yeah? What about the big bang theory? What about thermodynamics? What about Darwinian evolution?

Oh, shewolf. Um, what about Fascimsm? What about Communism?
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