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Introducing John Kerry

 
 
Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 01:46 pm
From: http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/25829.htm

THE BAGEL CANDIDACY
By Dick Morris

July 30, 2004 -- I LOVED Bill Clinton's speech. I was inspired by John Edwards. Bar ack Obama thrilled me. Max Cleland made me grow as a person as I heard him . . .
And then there was John Kerry.

All around him was eloquence but, in the center of the bagel, there was a speech that was a letdown.

And did he just tell 140,000 men and women fighting in Iraq that they are there because of a mistake?

By insisting that we are in Iraq because we "want to be," rather than because we "have to be," he is telling them that they are risking their lives for an optional, elective adventure. The fact is, that the reason we have not been attacked in the United States is that the terrorists are fleeing from cave to cave in Afghanistan and from building to building in Iraq ?- pursued by our heroic young men and women.

I honor his service in Vietnam. I think a man who knows what it is like to fight in a war is a good person to have as commander-in-chief. John Kerry is a good man. But what else is there?

Last time I checked, Sen. John Kerry was 60 years old. But to listen to his speech last night at the Democratic National Convention, you would think he was still in his 20s.


He opened up his talk with a lengthy and evocative description of his childhood and what it was like growing up in divided Berlin. He told us of the "goose bumps" he remembers getting when the band struck up "Stars and Stripes Forever."

Then, after this long rendition of his childhood, he tells us at length what it was like to serve in Vietnam for the four months that he was there. So far, so good.

But then he spent only about one minute talking about what he has done since.

Beyond a brief allusion to his efforts for crime victims and to prosecute crimes against women as an assistant district attorney, his support for Clinton's plan for extra cops and a balanced budget and a reference to his work with John McCain on the POW and MIA issue in Vietnam, that's it.

What did this man do as an adult? What happened during his service as Michael Dukakis' lieutenant-governor in Massachusetts and in his 20 years in the United States Senate?

What bills did he introduce? What initiatives did he sponsor? Which investigations did he lead? What amendments bear his name? What great debates did he participate in?

What did he do for his constituents in Massachusetts? What businesses did he persuade to come to the Bay State? Which elderly did he help get their Social Security benefits? What injustices did he correct?

Kerry's biography ends at 24.

America does not want to elect a lieutenant to the presidency. The voters want a commander-in-chief, but there is precious little in the autobiography of John Kerry, as we heard it last night, to commend him to us.

The Democratic National Convention closes as a nutritious, tasty, appetizing bagel ?- with a hole in the middle.

John Kerry? Oh yeah, he's the guy who fought in Vietnam and then he ran for president. That's not enough. Where did his 20 years in the Senate go?


Oddly, his absence of biography confirms the impression I formed of him during my White House years: He's a back-bencher. I never can recall a single time that his name came up in any discussion of White House strategy on anything. He was the man who wasn't there. We were always figuring out how to deal with Ted Kennedy or Pat Moynihan or Tom Daschle or Phil Gramm, or Al D'Amato or Bob Dole or Jesse Helms or Orin Hatch or Joe Biden. But nobody every asked about John Kerry.

He wasn't much there then, and he's not much there now. Only now he wants us to trust him to be president.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 01:57 pm
Yeah, what happened in Kerry's adult life?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 02:14 pm
Geez, Bill Clinton gets a few lousy blowjobs and he becomes Mephistopheles-on-the-Potomac. Dick Morris, in contrast, gets his toes sucked by a $200-an-hour hooker and, just because he's a Republican and he gets to write a column for the NY Post, he is somehow believable?

Really, I hope this is an indication that the right-wingers have decided that, since they can find it in their hearts to forgive the sexual transgressions of Dick Morris, they will now open their arms to all the other errant sinners out there who, in weaker moments, have o'erstepped the bounds of matrimony.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 02:18 pm
Joe, changing the topic already?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 02:20 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
Geez, Bill Clinton gets a few lousy blowjobs and he becomes Mephistopheles-on-the-Potomac. Dick Morris, in contrast, gets his toes sucked by a $200-an-hour hooker and, just because he's a Republican and he gets to write a column for the NY Post, he is somehow believable?

Really, I hope this is an indication that the right-wingers have decided that, since they can find it in their hearts to forgive the sexual transgressions of Dick Morris, they will now open their arms to all the other errant sinners out there who, in weaker moments, have o'erstepped the bounds of matrimony.

Perhaps you would care to comment on the content and ideas in the article, rather than ignoring the content and condemning the source.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 02:41 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Joe, changing the topic already?

Sorry, McG, I knew you were going to bring up Clinton sooner or later. I guess I preempted you.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 02:46 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Perhaps you would care to comment on the content and ideas in the article, rather than ignoring the content and condemning the source.

I give about as much credence to a Dick Morris column on John Kerry as I would a James Carville column on George Bush. Partisan hacks with their own particular axes to grind.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 02:56 pm
The slime is flowing like a river through this board today, pumped furiously by the pathetic, frightened A2K conservatives who are beginning to realize that Bush's days are dwindling to a few.

Lift your feet so it doesn't run into your shoes...
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 03:07 pm
I find it interesting that you are completely unwilling to talk about the assertions in the article, and confine yourselves to condemning the article's origin.

Since the two of you post here habitually, it can't be that you don't want to talk about the elections and the candidates.

Generally people who avoid addressing the content of someone's argument, are people who have to avoid it.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 03:13 pm
Quote:
I honor his service in Vietnam. I think a man who knows what it is like to fight in a war is a good person to have as commander-in-chief. John Kerry is a good man. But what else is there?


What else was there with George Bush? Or should I say, what was there? If this guy, who can barely put two syllables together, can do the job, I'm pretty sure Kerry can do it. I never knew what they meant when they said that anybody in America could grow up to one day be president. Now I realize how true that is...any body...a dead body...a body of water...
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 03:33 pm
...a smirking airhead...
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 03:38 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
I find it interesting that you are completely unwilling to talk about the assertions in the article, and confine yourselves to condemning the article's origin.

Where's your commentary on this column, Brandon?

Brandon9000 wrote:
Generally people who avoid addressing the content of someone's argument, are people who have to avoid it.

Heh heh, that's a good one coming from you.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 03:46 pm
When I see the kind of posts that started this thread, I think, "If I want to read the screeds of right-wing commentators, I would read the NY Post or one of the web sites that spew this kind of BS."

What is it about the righties that compel them to post this kind of swill? Is it so much more brilliant than their own original thought? Scary idea...
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 03:59 pm
Brandon
Did you listen to the speech. Or are you echoing the words of Dick Morris. IMO opinion and many of the opinions I heard it was a well thought out speech touching all of the necessary points. While I watched and listened I reflected on how it was a pleasure to listen to the articulate Kerry as opposed to that bumbling fool who presently pollutes the white house. An individual that can't put two coherent sentences or thoughts together. What is that line, he can't chew gum and walk a straight line at the same time? Morris finds fault with Kerry's resume but has no qualms regarding Bush's. Shall I call him blind, stupid or just the normal republican lemming?

Kicky
George Bush cannot do the job. That has been amply demonstrated. To say he does the job is tantamount to saying that a 200 hitter who can't catch is a baseball star.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 04:25 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
When I see the kind of posts that started this thread, I think, "If I want to read the screeds of right-wing commentators, I would read the NY Post or one of the web sites that spew this kind of BS."

What is it about the righties that compel them to post this kind of swill? Is it so much more brilliant than their own original thought? Scary idea...


Ya know, I just scrolled back through the last four pages to see how many interesting threads you have started based on your own original thoughts. Can you guess how many I found?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 06:53 pm
What I find interesting is the Dems refusal to see their own
inconsistency.
The dems are saying that Iraq is "
illegal,immoral,wrong,unneccessary,and to expensive,JUST LIKE VIE
TNAM.
Now,they have nominated a man for President that proudly ADMITS
to having served in that ILLEGAL,IMMORAL,UNJUST war,and don't
notice the hypocrisy.
The Dems are trying to say Iraq is another Vietnam,so why would
they nominate Kerry.I would think that if Vietnam is everything
they say it was,that they would want a candidate that was not
there,and not one that brags in every speech that he was there.
Also,if it was so bad,and if Iraq is exactly like Vietnam,then
why are the dems nominating a man that wants to commit MORE
troops to that mess?
It doesn't make sense to me,maybe someone else can understand it.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2004 01:28 am
au1929 wrote:
Brandon
Did you listen to the speech. Or are you echoing the words of Dick Morris. IMO opinion and many of the opinions I heard it was a well thought out speech touching all of the necessary points. While I watched and listened I reflected on how it was a pleasure to listen to the articulate Kerry as opposed to that bumbling fool who presently pollutes the white house. An individual that can't put two coherent sentences or thoughts together. What is that line, he can't chew gum and walk a straight line at the same time? Morris finds fault with Kerry's resume but has no qualms regarding Bush's. Shall I call him blind, stupid or just the normal republican lemming?

To answer one of your questions, I didn't watch a second of the Democratic convention. I know the policies I've heard coming from that quarter for the past year, and I know I don't agree with them. I read or at least skim between 5 and 20 newspapers from various countries every day, and have a pretty good idea of where everyone stands in this election.

To answer another of your questions, I posted the article mostly to stir up trouble on a boring Friday afternoon. It is similar to a lot of articles you guys regularly post about Bush.

As far as your invective against the president goes, it lacks much content other than expressing your personal dislike of him. I agree with most of his policies, and think he's done a great job, so I will vote for him.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2004 01:55 am
joefromchicago wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
I find it interesting that you are completely unwilling to talk about the assertions in the article, and confine yourselves to condemning the article's origin.

Where's your commentary on this column, Brandon?

Brandon9000 wrote:
Generally people who avoid addressing the content of someone's argument, are people who have to avoid it.

Heh heh, that's a good one coming from you.

I think I see a pattern here. Once again, rather than address the content of an argument, you merely attempt to discredit its source.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2004 09:26 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
I think I see a pattern here.

So do I.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2004 10:07 am
mysteryman wrote:
What I find interesting is the Dems refusal to see their own inconsistency. The dems are saying that Iraq is "illegal,immoral,wrong,unneccessary,and to expensive,JUST LIKE VIETNAM. Now,they have nominated a man for President that proudly ADMITS to having served in that ILLEGAL,IMMORAL,UNJUST war,and don't notice the hypocrisy. The Dems are trying to say Iraq is another Vietnam,so why would they nominate Kerry. [..]

It doesn't make sense to me,maybe someone else can understand it.

Yeah, I can - that one's easy.

The difference is between starting an illegal, unnecssary etc war; and fighting in one.

See, on the one hand you have a President who starts or pursues an illegal, unnecessary (etc) war. Who decides to wage one.

And on the other hand you have an American citizen who, once his country is at war, heeds the call of the army and fights where his fellow Americans are dying.

Mind you - I have respect for those citizens who recognized that the Vietnam war was wrong, and took their own risks by fleeing the draft. But I also have a great deal of respect for a man who feels that when his country is at war, when his President has called on Americans to serve with honour, joins the troops, risks his life and saves that of his fellow men.

Now a President who decides to start one of those (illegal, unnecessary etc) wars, however - who calls upon such men to risk and give their life - for him, I have little respect.

Is that difference clear enough?
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