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Holocaust Revisionist, Benjamin Netanyahu

 
 
Reply Wed 21 Oct, 2015 09:56 am
Israel's Netanyahu stirs trouble by linking late Muslim leader to Holocaust
Luke Baker, in his Reuters story, wrote:
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu provoked a Holocaust controversy on Wednesday, hours before a visit to Germany, by saying that the Muslim elder in Jerusalem during the 1940s convinced Adolf Hitler to exterminate the Jews.

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"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews," Netanyahu said in the speech. "And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here (Palestine).'

"'So what should I do with them?'" Netanyahu said Hitler asked the mufti, who responded: "Burn them."

Netanyahu, whose father was an eminent historian, was quickly harangued by opposition politicians and experts on the Holocaust who said he was distorting the historical record.

They noted the meeting between Husseini and Hitler took place on November 28, 1941. More than two years earlier, in January 1939, Hitler had addressed the Reichstag, Nazi Germany's parliament, and spoke clearly about his determination to exterminate the "Jewish race".

"To say that the mufti was the first to mention to Hitler the idea to kill or burn the Jews is not correct," Dina Porat, a professor at Tel Aviv University and the chief historian of Yad Vashem, Israel's Holocaust memorial museum, told Israel Radio.

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Look at what Zioninism has done to the mental health of the Israeli Prime Minister.

Say NO to Zionism.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 21 Oct, 2015 10:24 am
@InfraBlue,
I'd posted that earlier on another thread

Walter Hinteler wrote:

So it wasn't Hitler according to Netanyahu’s Speech at the 37th Zionist Congress but the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was the one who planted the idea of the extermination of European Jewry in Adolf Hitler's mind:
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681580
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Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, "If you expel them, they'll all come here." "So what should I do with them?" he asked. He said, "Burn them."


Prof Dan Michman, the head of the Institute of Holocaust Research at Bar-Ilan University and head of the International Institute for Holocaust Research at Yad Vashem., said that while Hitler did indeed meet the mufti, this happened after the Final Solution began.

Yad Vashem’s chief historian, Prof Dina Porat, told the Israeli news website Ynet that Netanyahu’s claims were incorrect: "You cannot say that it was the mufti who gave Hitler the idea to kill or burn Jews. It’s not true. Their meeting occurred after a series of events that point to this."
Historians, politicians slam PM's 'distortion of history'

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 21 Oct, 2015 10:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Quote:
'I didn't mean to absolve Hitler of responsibility, but to show that the father of the Palestinian nation wanted to destroy the Jews even without occupation,' the PM said before leaving to Berlin.
Source
See link in above post to the official transcript of his speech.

I remember what Irving said/says, the well-known Holocaust denier, falsifier, and bigot ...



Walter Hinteler wrote:

The incident occured as Netanyahu left for Germany to meet Angela Merkel.

Steffen Seibert, Merkel's spokesperson, said there was no reason to change "our view of history," in response to Netanyahu's comments.

"All Germans know the history of the murderous race madness of the National Socialists that led to the break with civilization that was the Holocaust," Seibert said.
"I don't see any reason that we should in any way change our view of history," Seibert added.

Source

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 21 Oct, 2015 01:32 pm
@Walter Hinteler,

Germany refuses to accept Netanyahu’s claim Palestinian inspired Holo9caust
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But at a joint press conference with Netanyahu on Wednesday, the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, made it clear she saw no need for a shift in interpreting history, saying: “We abide by our responsibility for the Shoah.”
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 21 Oct, 2015 02:50 pm
Well, based on all that today's Germany has done for Israel, I would bend my incredulity to believe that Germany really didn't want to exterminate Jews. As the saying goes, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth." Or, as Spock would have said, "It's the only logical thing to do."
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puzzledperson
 
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Reply Wed 11 Nov, 2015 10:38 am
@InfraBlue,
If Netanyahu had stuck to the historical facts without exaggerating, he could have hit a rhetorical home run.

After all, the comment was made in the context of Arab violence against Jews said by the Israeli authorities to have been stirred up by the lies of Arab propagandists as to Israeli plans for shared holy sites in Jerusalem. And indeed, al-Husseini did the same thing using the issues of the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa in Jerusalem.

Of course al-Husseini wasn't the inspiration for the Holocaust. Its possible that the Ottoman Turks were, indirectly and through historical example. Hitler is reported to have said "Who now remembers the Armenians?"

But it's true that al-Husseini spent the war years in fascist Italy and Nazi Germany; that he was active in urging that Sephardic Jews (including children) from the Balkans were not spared extermination; that he recruited SS regiments for the Nazis from the Muslims of Yugoslavia, who guarded the security of railway lines carrying Balkan Jews to Auschwitz, and that one such regiment took an active role in the extermination of Jews, Serbs and Gypsies in Yugoslavia as part of special operations units. Finally, it's true that al-Husseini was a personal friend of Himmler and took a tour of Auschwitz as his guest.

According to Dieter Wisliceny, senior SS officer and a key executioner of the Final Solution:

"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of his plan... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say that accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chambers of Auschwitz."

(Cited in The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Middle East, by Martin Sieff)

Now perhaps in historical retrospect, some of this was just the Mufti tooting his own horn, and passed along uncritically by Herr Wisliceny.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 11 Nov, 2015 11:41 am
@puzzledperson,
puzzledperson wrote:
Its possible that the Ottoman Turks were, indirectly and through historical example. Hitler is reported to have said "Who now remembers the Armenians?"
The US-American journalist Louis P. Lochner said, he received a copy of a speech by Hitler from his "informant", the 'Obersalzberg Speech' from August 22, 1939.
The so-called 'Armenian quote' says, translated to English "Who, after all, speaks to-day of the annihilation of the Armenians?" (German: Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?), and was used to explain the pending German invasion of Poland and the planned extermination of Poles. [Some others have doubts, if it really was said by Hitler.]

puzzledperson wrote:
According to Dieter Wisliceny, senior SS officer and a key executioner of the Final Solution:
Wisliceny was a "SS-Hauptsturmführer" (equal the army rank "Hauptmann" [captain]). He was a member of the so-called "Eichmann-Kommando".

puzzledperson wrote:
But it's true that al-Husseini spent the war years in fascist Italy and Nazi Germany;
Al-Husseini stayed between the end of 1937 and early 1941 in the Japanese Mission in Tehran. In spring 1941 he travelled over Turkey, Grese and Italy to Germany.
He left Germany shortly before the end of the war, stayed in Switzerland a few days, and was then, on May 7, 1945, depoted by Swiss police to France.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 11 Nov, 2015 03:27 pm
@puzzledperson,
That the Mufti allied with the Nazis isn't in question. He allied with the enemies of his enemies. What's in question is Netanyahu's claim that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea to murder the Jews in Europe.
puzzledperson
 
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Reply Wed 11 Nov, 2015 03:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks for those details. I had my own doubts about the Hitler quote, hence my oblique reference ("reported to have said"). I came across it in the context of the Final Solution in a book by Christopher Simpson called " The Splendid Blond Beast: Money, Law and Genocide in the Twentieth Century". Most of the book was well sourced, but there was no attribution for that quote. I looked online many years ago attempting to verify it, but was unable to.



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puzzledperson
 
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Reply Wed 11 Nov, 2015 04:12 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
P.S. I recently came across a new book called "Ataturk in the Nazi Imagination" by Stefan Ihrig. At thirty dollars I had no intention of purchasing it, but recollecting the Simpson book I had a browse. The book seemed to be about the inspiration the Nazis took vis a vis nationalist aspirations and methods of coming to and consolidating power. I eventually found a statement by the author in his introduction to the effect that an upcoming (unpublished) book of his would deal with the topic of the influence of the Armenian genocide on Nazi policy toward the Jews (including the Final Solution). He seems very much to be an "academic" style writer, so I expect some well researched insights into that aspect of it, including a discussion of the quote attributed to Hitler.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 13 Nov, 2015 03:29 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

That the Mufti allied with the Nazis isn't in question. He allied with the enemies of his enemies. What's in question is Netanyahu's claim that the Mufti gave Hitler the idea to murder the Jews in Europe.


Let's be real. Many a good European peasant knew the thought of murdering Jews, to get their possessions, and perhaps unconsciously to show Christ that their ancestors had no culpability in his Crucifixtion. Bringing the Mufti into the picture in the 20th century history of European anti-Semitism can be argued to be laughable, after the centuries of pogroms, blood libels, and all around rabid Jew hatred in Europe, in my opinion. The fact that there are anti-Semites in the U.S. today might just be a European import from the 19th century, since the colonial days seemed to be more practical in valueing someone that would open a store to buy notions and lotions, so to speak.
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