Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@bobsal u1553115,

O Lord Bob. How can you tell such lies about the U S government and republicans.

Long range heavy bombers for Israel?

Everyone probably knows by now that we are about to procure a new generation of stealth bomber, which will then replace our B-52 bombers and B-1b bombers.

People have started suggesting that we give Israel some of our old bombers, preferably the B-1b bombers.

This article, although vehemently against the idea, also does the best job of describing the proposal (just ignore the parts where the author claims it is a bad idea):
http://www.lobelog.com/sending-mops-and-bombers-to-israel-big-mistake/

This is actually a great idea. The article is wrong about Israel needing the "MOP" bomb to hit Iran. Israel is capable of destroying Iran's bunkers using planes and bombs that they already possess. But think of the next time Israel bombs Lebanon to jelly. Now picture Israel doing it with 100 B-1b bombers in their arsenal.

To put it another way, 100 B-1b bombers would give Israel the capability of creating a Dresden-style firestorm in Cairo (using conventional weapons) the next time Egypt decides to stir up trouble.

This is the best idea I've heard in a long time.

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@oralloy,

Genocidal idiot.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Genocidal idiot.

Let's be clear. While I might happily contemplate the extinction of Islam, all Israel does is defend themselves from a bunch of thugs who refuse to ever make peace with them.

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@oralloy,

Tell the truth, did you cue this up on your computer and jack off?

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"I'd say (to Israel) that they will not see (the end) of these 25 years," the Islamic Republic News Agency quoted Khamenei as saying Wednesday at the Imam Khomeini Mosque.

When ever Iran talks like this we always sell Israel some more of the good stuff.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Tell the truth,

Always.

hawkeye10 wrote:

did you cue this up on your computer and jack off?

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"I'd say (to Israel) that they will not see (the end) of these 25 years," the Islamic Republic News Agency quoted Khamenei as saying Wednesday at the Imam Khomeini Mosque.

No.

I've been told though that, when I talk weapons, I glow like I'm in love. Whatever that means.

hawkeye10 wrote:

When ever Iran talks like this we always sell Israel some more of the good stuff.

Not sell. Give.

American taxpayers are happy to foot the bill.

Well, most are anyway. There's always a few malcontents.

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@RABEL222,

I know. I'm going h-e-double match sticks.

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@bobsal u1553115,

SSSS OK. Ive been told I am going there to so we can shake hands and discuss the political situation.

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Shin Bet orders Israeli nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu arrested again
http://www.nukeresister.org/2015/09/12/shin-bet-orders-israeli-nuclear-whistleblower-mordechai-vanunu-arrested-again/

Shin Bet orders Israeli nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu arrested again

Posted on September 12, 2015

Israeli nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu was arrested on September 10 because Israeli police, at the direction of the Shin Bet, claim his recent Channel 2 interview violates the terms of his release from prison (he was released in 2004 with strict conditions after serving his entire 18 year sentence). But government censors had approved the Channel 2 interview before it aired! After several hours of interrogation by police, he was released to 7 days of house arrest.

The Court has also ordered Channel 2 to hand over video of the interview, including unaired footage.

In 1986, Vanunu shared photos he took inside the Dimona nuclear facility with the London Sunday Times, which revealed proof to the world that Israel had a sizable nuclear arsenal. He was kidnapped from Rome by the Mossad, drugged and taken in chains to Israel, where he was found guilty of treason and espionage at a secret trial and sentenced to 18 years in prison. In spite of serving the full sentence at Ashkelon Prison (including 11 1/2 years in solitary confinement), the Israeli government handed down severe restrictions upon his release in April 2004, including not being allowed to speak to foreigners or leave Israel. The restrictions are renewed every year.

Vanunu hasn’t worked as a technician at Dimona since 1986 – he has no more secrets to reveal. He deserves his freedom NOW!

From the Guardian here.

From Haaretz here.

From the Jerusalem Post here.

Interview with Daniel Ellsberg about Vanunu’s arrest:

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Israel approves sniper fire and 4 year mandatory prison sentences against stone throwers

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/mandatory-sentences-throwers

Israel’s security cabinet voted unanimously Thursday evening to permit the use of sniper-fire against stone throwers in circumstances where an officer’s life is not at imminent risk. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proposed the changes and declared the increased measures were a “fight against those who throw rocks and firebombs, and shoot fireworks.”

“Until recently police would open fire only when their own lives were in danger. As of now, they will be permitted to open fire – and they will know that they have the right to open fire – when they face danger to any lives,” Netanyahu said.

In addition to relaxing the regulations on live-fire, Israel also approved harsher punishments for children. Minors aged 14 to 18 will now be sentenced in prison for throwing projectiles and their parents will face fines. Child welfare benefits will also be revoked for convicted children.

A mandatory minimum sentence of four years will be given to adults found guilty of throwing stones or firebombs with a possible maximum sentence of up to 20 years. The security cabinet noted that they will seek legislation in Knesset in order to authorize this maximum sentence.

Israel has invaded the West Bank, destroyed Palestinian homes, destroyed Palestinian farms, destroyed Palestinian livestock and destroyed Palestinian lives. Israel's illegal colonists have spread over the West Bank, casting out the Palestinians as if they were the invaders. Israel's IDF enforces these things with the barrel of a gun: sniping children (yes dead) in the process.

If these actions speak for zionism then zionism has been corrupted in Israel. Israel should be ashamed for what zionism has become.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Can you say Nazism=Zionism. If Neitenahue had a mustache,he could pass for Hitler. And almost all our politicians run to kiss his ass.

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@RABEL222,

No, to the initial thread question.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

No, to the initial thread question.

"Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?"

Sure you can. All you need to do is remember that the map in question is an anti-Semitic lie.

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The government is to introduce new rules to stop "politically-motivated" boycotts by local councils.

Ministers said they would amend pension and procurement policies to prevent divestment and boycotts.

The Conservatives claim new Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and trade unions had urged councils to "punish" Israel and UK defence firms.

Labour is yet to comment on the claim, but Mr Corbyn has backed boycotting goods produced in Israeli settlements.

He has also called for an arms embargo to be imposed on the country.

'Growing concern'

In recent months, Leicester City Council has boycotted goods from Israeli settlements in the West Bank - a move being challenged by Jewish Human Rights Watch.

The Labour-run council says it opposes "the continuing illegal occupation".

Leicester councillor Mohammed Dawood said in August the move "was not an attack on a particular faith but is about a particular policy."

"We are talking about produce… and we are saying we won't be getting anything from the illegally-occupied territories in the future," he said.

Four Scottish councils have resolved to boycott Israeli goods in recent years, according to the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

Other councils in Wales and Northern Ireland have also backed boycotts.

A Conservative spokesman said there was "growing concern over militant actions of left-wing councils, spurred on by trade unions and the Labour leadership".

'Divisive policies'

Such actions "threaten to poison community relations and harm Britain's economic and international interests", the spokesman added.

"Labour's Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell, alongside Labour-affiliated trade unions, are urging councils to use their procurement and pension policies to punish both Israel and the UK defence industry," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34433313

If this goes through, it will seriously bite Cameron on the arse. He is seriously out of step with British public opinion. Expect lots of legal challenges.

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@izzythepush,

You know this is a waste of time. The Isralie lovers are just going to say........

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anti-Semitic lie.

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So it wasn't Hitler according to Netanyahu’s Speech at the 37th Zionist Congress but the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was the one who planted the idea of the extermination of European Jewry in Adolf Hitler's mind:
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681580

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Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, "If you expel them, they'll all come here." "So what should I do with them?" he asked. He said, "Burn them."

Prof Dan Michman, the head of the Institute of Holocaust Research at Bar-Ilan University and head of the International Institute for Holocaust Research at Yad Vashem., said that while Hitler did indeed meet the mufti, this happened after the Final Solution began.

Yad Vashem’s chief historian, Prof Dina Porat, told the Israeli news website Ynet that Netanyahu’s claims were incorrect: "You cannot say that it was the mufti who gave Hitler the idea to kill or burn Jews. It’s not true. Their meeting occurred after a series of events that point to this."
Historians, politicians slam PM's 'distortion of history'

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@Walter Hinteler,

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'I didn't mean to absolve Hitler of responsibility, but to show that the father of the Palestinian nation wanted to destroy the Jews even without occupation,' the PM said before leaving to Berlin.

Source
See link in above post to the official transcript of his speech.

I remember what Irving said/says, the well-known Holocaust denier, falsifier, and bigot ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

The incident occured as Netanyahu left for Germany to meet Angela Merkel.

Steffen Seibert, Merkel's spokesperson, said there was no reason to change "our view of history," in response to Netanyahu's comments.

"All Germans know the history of the murderous race madness of the National Socialists that led to the break with civilization that was the Holocaust," Seibert said.
"I don't see any reason that we should in any way change our view of history," Seibert added.

Source

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@Walter Hinteler,

Germany refuses to accept Netanyahu’s claim Palestinian inspired Holo9caust

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But at a joint press conference with Netanyahu on Wednesday, the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, made it clear she saw no need for a shift in interpreting history, saying: “We abide by our responsibility for the Shoah.”

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Germany refuses to accept Netanyahu’s claim Palestinian inspired Holo9caust

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But at a joint press conference with Netanyahu on Wednesday, the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, made it clear she saw no need for a shift in interpreting history, saying: “We abide by our responsibility for the Shoah.”

The math is incorrect. One cannot compare a country to an individual.

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