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A case of unwise censorship at Able2Know

 
 
BillRM
 
Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 09:37 pm
I was replying to a new thread by coldjoint that was attacking Muslims by claiming they must follow a version of Sharon law that called for all manner of evil deed when I found the thread gone.

It was in my opinion sickening and similar to the old times attacks on Jews and even Catholic but the correct manner to deal with such nonsense is to reply to it not censor it and on this website there is no question that such a thread would had been deal with sharply by many others beside myself.

Now coldjoint can claims that the evil Muslims are behind internet censorship instead of him finding his ass handed to him in a public debate.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 09:56 pm
@BillRM,
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Now coldjoint can claims that the evil Muslims are behind internet censorship instead of him finding his ass handed to him in a public debate.


I never said all Muslims, but I did say Islam. And anytime you can debunk the things I say about Islam you are welcome to try.

And how is posting the Sharia, how is it hateful? The law is, not the messenger.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:09 pm
I just posted the Sharia again in the "Liberals&Sharia"thread. Maybe someone can tell us why it can't be posted?
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:11 pm
Heck I'll post it here.
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1- Jihad, defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion,” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.

2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.

3- A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.

4- A percentage of Zakat (charity money) must go towards jihad.

5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.

6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.

7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph if he rejects Islam.

8- A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately.

9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of: 1) an apostate 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber. Vigilante street justice and honor killing is acceptable.

10- A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim, but will get it for killing a Muslim.

11- Sharia never abolished slavery, sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave.

12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging even for crimes of sin such as adultery.

13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims under the law. They must comply to Islamic law if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.

14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. But Muslims can curse non-Muslims.

15- A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.

16- Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.

17- No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or bathhouse attendants. Women in low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.

18- A non-Muslim cannot rule -- even over a non-Muslim minority.

19- Homosexuality is punishable by death.

20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and can be consummated at age 8 or 9.

21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.

22- Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.

23- There is no community property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.

24- A woman inherits half what a man inherits.

25- A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and none of them have a right to divorce him -- even if he is polygamous.

26- The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.

27- A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and women captured in battle, and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled.

28- The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man.

29- A woman loses custody if she remarries.

30- To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses.

31- A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.

32- A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body, which is considered “Awrah,” a sexual organ. Not all Sharia schools allow the face of a woman exposed.

33- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife at the time he caught her in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women, since the man “could be married to the woman he was caught with.”

34-It is obligatory for a Muslim to lie if the purpose is obligatory. That means that for the sake of abiding with Islam’s commandments, such as jihad, a Muslim is obliged to lie and should not have any feelings of guilt or shame associated with this kind of lying.

The above are clear-cut laws in Islam decided by great Imams after years of examination and interpretation of the Quran, Hadith and Mohammed’s life. Now let the learned Imam Rauf tell us: What part of the above is compliant with the U.S. Constitution?


Edit [Moderator]: Link removed
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:15 pm
@coldjoint,
You troll you

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In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

https://athefist.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/so-you-dont-understand-trolling/

I love how "factually incorrect" is not required.

In other words a troll is a disturber of the peace. Unless we agree with them, then they are a "disruptor". Drunk
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:26 pm
@coldjoint,
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nd how is posting the Sharia, how is it hateful? The law is, not the messenger.


Just for started all Muslims believe they have a religion duty to follow Sharia law and that is hardly true!

Muslims are no more one tightly religion body who agree on religion duties then are other major religion such as Christians.

I
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

n modern times, the Muslim community have divided points of view: secularists believe that the law of the state should be based on secular principles, not on Islamic legal doctrines; traditionalists believe that the law of the state should be based on the traditional legal schools;[40] reformers believe that new Islamic legal theories can produce modernized Islamic law[41] and lead to acceptable opinions in areas such as women's rights.[42] This division persists until the present day (Brown 1996, Hallaq 2001, Ramadan 2005, Aslan 2006, Safi 2003, Nenezich 2006).
There has been a growing religious revival in Islam, beginning in the eighteenth century and continuing today. This movement has expressed itself in various forms ranging from wars to efforts towards improving education.[43][44]
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Sharia, in its strictest definition, is a divine law, as expressed in the Quran and Muhammad's example (often called the sunnah). As such, it is related to but different from fiqh, which is emphasized as the human interpretation of the law.[45][46] Many scholars have pointed out that the sharia is not formally a code,[47] nor a well-defined set of rules.[48] The sharia is characterized as a discussion on the duties of Muslims[47] based on both the opinion of the Muslim community and extensive literature.[49] Hunt Janin and Andre Kahlmeyer thus conclude that the sharia is "long, diverse, and complicated."[48]


But then this thread is not about your spreading hate but able2know censoring you for doing so.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
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You troll you


http://www.doomjunkie.com/images/smilies/betteryet.gif
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:31 pm
@BillRM,
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Muslims are no more one tightly religion body who agree on religion duties then are other major religion such as Christians.


You are fooling yourself. Polls show 52% of American Muslims think Sharia should be the law in the US and everywhere else. And in Islamic countries around 80 or 90 %.

And your definition is that of an apologist, which Wikipedia is for Islam.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:33 pm
@BillRM,
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But then this thread is not about your spreading hate but able2know censoring you for doing so.


I spread information about a religion that spreads hate. Informing people about a hate is not hateful. The truth is just to rough for you and others to admit. All you have to do is look around the world to see the hate in action.

And to see the spineless leaders that permit it.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:34 pm
@coldjoint,
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1- Jihad, defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion,” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.


Not that simple.........

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http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9

WHAT JIHAD IS

The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving.
The arabic word for war is: "al-harb".
In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), "jihad" has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.
If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents - such as women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.
Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: "This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad," which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.
In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars, who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of "just war" is very important.
The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam.
Examples of sanctioned military jihad include the Muslims' defensive battles against the Crusaders in medieval times, and before that some responses by Muslims against Byzantine and Persian attacks during the period of the early Islamic conquests.
WHAT JIHAD IS NOT

Jihad is not a violent concept.
Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.
Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.
Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:41 pm
@coldjoint,
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You are fooling yourself. Polls show 52% of American Muslims think Sharia should be the law in the US and everywhere else. And in Islamic countries around 80 or 90 %.

And your definition is that of an apologist, which Wikipedia is for Islam.


Funny about the Muslim nations that do not have Shiria law is it not such as the major Muslim nation of Turkey and other Muslims nations that have picked and chose what parts of Shiria laws they will have in their nations laws.

Once more it not that simple

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_law_by_country
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:46 pm
@coldjoint,
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Polls show 52% of American Muslims think Sharia should be the law in the US and everywhere else. And in Islamic countries around 80 or 90 %.


So you are claiming that 52 percents of US Muslims would like to see the following
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_law_by_country

For example, adultery is punished by stoning, fornication and the consumption of alcohol by lashing, and theft by the amputation of limbs


Somehow I would like to see how those "polls" was worded.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:48 pm
@BillRM,
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Innocents - such as women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.


Non-Muslims are not innocents, and that includes women and children.
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Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.


Are they kidding?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:49 pm
@coldjoint,
You are going to get yourself timed out again Bubba....
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
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You are going to get yourself timed out again Bubba....


Goes a long way on who is telling the truth, and who doesn't.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 10:57 pm
@coldjoint,
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You are fooling yourself. Polls show 52% of American Muslims think Sharia should be the law in the US and everywhere else. And in Islamic countries around 80 or 90 %.


From the Pew research center website

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http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Generally, supporters of sharia are most comfortable with its application in cases of family or property disputes. In most regions, fewer favor other specific aspects of sharia, such as cutting off the hands of thieves and executing people who convert from Islam to another faith.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 11:00 pm
@BillRM,
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Generally, supporters of sharia are most comfortable with its application in cases of family or property disputes.


That would cover honor killings and female genital mutilation. That's sweet.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 11:02 pm
@coldjoint,
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Non-Muslims are not innocents, and that includes women and children.


God you are full of hate and see Muslims as a wonderful and acceptable target for your hate.

Footnote it was a Muslim nation and ruler that save Jews from being killed under Christian rule in Europe not only making those fleeing Jews welcome but even sending ships to picked them up.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 11:04 pm
@BillRM,
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God you are full of hate and see Muslims as a wonderful and acceptable target for your hate.


Wrong again. Islam is full of hate. And you are losing the factual argument.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 11:05 pm
@coldjoint,
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That would cover honor killings and female genital mutilation. That's sweet.


Never had a Muslim girlfriend but I question how many American Muslim women had genital mutilation or would supporting having it done to their daughters.

Just more hate from you.
 

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