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A case of unwise censorship at Able2Know

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 11:08 pm
@coldjoint,
Wrong my friend as most Muslims are just like everyone else wishing to raised their family in peace and doing their very best to keep away from those that are nuts. Both Muslims nuts and haters like you.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 11:14 pm
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_rescue_efforts_during_the_Holocaust

A number of Arabs participated in efforts to help save Jewish residents of Arab lands from the Holocaust while fascist regimes controlled the territory. From June 1940 through May 1943, Axis powers, namely Germany and Italy, controlled large portions of North Africa. Approximately 1 percent of the Jewish residents, about 4,000 to 5,000 Jews, of that territory were murdered by these regimes during this period. The relatively small percentage of Jewish casualties, as compared to the 50 percent of European Jews who were murdered during the Holocaust, is largely due to the successful Allied North African Campaign and the repelling of the Axis powers from North Africa.[1] No occupied country, in Africa or Europe, was free of collaboration with the genocide campaign against the Jews, but this was more common in European countries than Arab ones. The offer made to Algerians by colonial French officials to take over confiscated Jewish property found many French settlers ready to profit from the scheme, but no Arab participated and, in the capital, Algiers itself, Muslim clerics openly declared their opposition to the idea.[2] While some Arabs collaborated with the Axis powers by working as guards in labor camps[citation needed], others risked their own lives to attempt to save Jews from persecution and genocide.
Arab rescue efforts were not limited to the Middle East – Si Kaddour Benghabrit, the rector of the Great Mosque of Paris, according to different sources, helped from 100[1][3] to 500 Jews disguise themselves as Muslims. There are examples of non-Arab Muslim populations assisting Jews to escape from the Holocaust in Europe, in Albania for example. In September 2013, Yad Vashem declared an Egyptian doctor, Mohammed Helmy, one of the Righteous Among the Nations for saving the life of Anna Gutman (née Boros), putting himself at personal risk for three years, and for helping her mother Julie, her gradmother Cecilie Rudnik, and her stepfather Georg Wehr, to survive the holocaust. Helmy is the first Arab to have been so honoured.[4]
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 11:15 pm
@BillRM,
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Wrong my friend as most Muslims are just like everyone else


And you know that how?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 11:22 pm
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

The greatest influx of Jews into Asia Minor and the Ottoman Empire, occurred during the reign of Mehmed the Conquerors's successor, Beyazid II (1481–1512), after the expulsion of the Jews from Spain and Portugal. The Sultan issued a formal invitation to Jews expelled from Spain and Portugal and they started arriving in the empire in great numbers. A key moment in Judeo-Turkic relations occurred in 1492, when more than 150,000 Spanish Jews fled the Spanish Inquisition, many to the Ottoman Empire. At that point in time, Constantinople's population was a mere 70,000 due to the various sieges of the city during the Crusades, the so-called Black Death of the 14th century, and the Ottoman's military conquest of Constantinople, so this historical event was also significant for repopulation of the city. These Sephardic Jews settled in Constantinople as well as Salonika. The Sultan is said to have mocked the Spanish monarch's lack of wisdom: "Ye call Ferdinand a wise king he who makes his land poor and ours rich!".[16][17] The Spanish Jews were allowed to settle in the wealthier cities of the empire, especially in the European provinces (cities such as: Istanbul, Sarajevo, Salonica, Adrianople and Nicopolis), Western and Northern Anatolia (Bursa, Aydın, Tokat and Amasya), but also in the Mediterranean coastal regions (for example: Jerusalem, Safed, Damascus, Egypt). Izmir was not settled by Spanish Jews until later. The Jewish population at Jerusalem increased from 70 families in 1488 to 1,500 at the beginning of the 16th century. That of Safed increased from 300 to 2,000 families and almost surpassed Jerusalem in importance. Damascus had a Sephardic congregation of 500 families. Istanbul had a Jewish community of 30,000 individuals with 44 synagogues. Bayezid allowed the Jews to live on the banks of the Golden Horn. Egypt, especially Cairo, received a large number of the exiles, who soon out-numbered the native Jews. Gradually, the chief center of the Sephardic Jews became Salonica, where the Spanish Jews soon outnumbered their co-religionists of other nationalities and, at one time, the original native inhabitants.
The Jews satisfied various needs in the Ottoman Empire: the Muslim Turks were largely uninterested in business enterprises and accordingly left commercial occupations to members of minority religions. They also distrusted the Christian subjects whose countries had only recently been conquered by the Ottomans and therefore it was natural to prefer Jewish subjects to which this consideration did not apply.[5]
Banking and finance[edit]
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 11:29 pm
@BillRM,
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/G%C3%B6ke_%281495%29_the_flagship_of_Kemal_Reis.jpg/330px-G%C3%B6ke_%281495%29_the_flagship_of_Kemal_Reis.jpg

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayezid_II#Jewish_and_Muslim_immigration

Sultan Bayezid II sent Kemal Reis to save the Sephardic Jews of Spain from the Spanish Inquisition in 1492 and granted them permission to settle in the Ottoman Empire.


In July 1492, the new state of Spain expelled its Jewish and Muslim populations as part of the Spanish Inquisition. Bayezid II sent out the Ottoman Navy under the command of Admiral Kemal Reis to Spain in 1492 in order to evacuate them safely to Ottoman lands. He sent out proclamations throughout the empire that the refugees were to be welcomed.[2] He granted the refugees the permission to settle in the Ottoman Empire and become Ottoman citizens. He ridiculed the conduct of Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile in expelling a class of people so useful to their subjects. "You venture to call Ferdinand a wise ruler," he said to his courtiers — "he who has impoverished his own country and enriched mine!"[3]
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2015 11:35 pm
@coldjoint,
You know coldjoint 60 years ago you would likely had been attacking Jews with your hate and forty years ago it would had been blacks.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 12:20 am
@coldjoint,
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And you know that how?


Because the majority of people no matter what the religion are not evil and you can take any of the world religions and find that some of their religion dogma called for doing evil. That does not mean that most of the followers are willing to do that evil.

Otherwise christians would be killing people who work on Sunday or homosexuals or their children who talk back.

You coldjoint are one side of a coin the other side being the Muslim extremists both trying to drum up hate by picking out the dogma that best justify that hate in your and their opinion.

To bad we can not take people like you and the muslim extremists to an island and let you kill each others while allowing the rest of us to live in peace







coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 10:03 am
@BillRM,
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You coldjoint are one side of a coin the other side being the Muslim extremists both trying to drum up hate by picking out the dogma that best justify that hate in your and their opinion.


I don't think so. None of what I have said it hateful. It is fact. 61% of the Koran deals with non-Muslims and how to treat them. And it is either submission(dhimmitude), leave the country, or death. The second option isn't always practical.

And it is not a matter of picking in the Koran. It is loaded with what is now considered hate speech, by anyone else than Muslims. Why is that?

coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 10:10 am
@BillRM,
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I question how many American Muslim women had genital mutilation

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The number of women and girls at risk for female genital mutilation (FGM) in the United States has more than doubled in the past 10 years, according to new figures released on Friday.

Guess what else has doubled? The Muslim population.
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According to the PRB, California is the state with the largest number of at-risk women and girls, with 56,872, followed by New York, with 48,418, and Minnesota, with 44,293. In terms of cities in the U.S., New York, Washington and Minneapolis-St. Paul are the metropolitan areas with the largest numbers of at-risk women and girls. Hawaii is the only state with zero women and girls at risk, according to the data. However, Mather points that while there may be some at risk in the state, the number is so small that it didn’t show up in the sample data.


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Included in the data are girls at risk of being sent back to their family’s origin country to undergo FGM—a practice widely known as “vacation cutting”—or having a traditional midwife or cutter sent to perform FGM in the U.S.


There are large Muslim populations in those states. More facts Bill, snap out of it.

http://www.newsweek.com/fgm-rates-have-doubled-us-2004-304773
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 10:21 am
@BillRM,
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You know coldjoint 60 years ago you would likely had been attacking Jews with your hate and forty years ago it would had been blacks.


Tell me would I have seen suicide bombings by Jews or Blacks? Would I have seen beheadings and torture by either of those groups?

Awareness is not hate. And sticking your head in the sand is not smart.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 10:27 am
@coldjoint,
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Koran. It is loaded with what is now considered hate speech, by anyone else than Muslims. Why is that?


Had you read the Christian bible lately?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 10:31 am
@BillRM,
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Had you read the Christian bible lately?


Irrelevant.
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The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God; however this works both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.


More facts, Bill.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 10:32 am
@coldjoint,
At risk does not mean **** anyone can declared someone at risk it is a meaningless concept.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 10:40 am
@coldjoint,
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Irrelevant


I am sure it is to you as you know you would have a harder time directing your hate to the West main religion.

God it must be sad needing to find some group you can get away with directing hate to.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 10:45 am
@BillRM,
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At risk does not mean **** anyone can declared someone at risk it is a meaningless concept.


Really? People make a pretty big thing out of similar situations, like the many risks of electing one party or the other.

Islam is special, and many things that should apply to it are dismissed. That is another fact.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 10:49 am
@BillRM,
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directing hate to.


It is not hate to make you aware of what Islam is. How is it hateful to post facts about the religion from their own words and actions.

Talk about a word that has lost its meaning. You have used standard apologies which I have debunked. Is their anything else, or would you like to take your ass that I have handed you?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 03:16 pm
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ISIS wants us dead. Why is that so hard to understand?



http://i0.wp.com/www.stridentconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Obama-ISIS-Strategy.jpg?resize=576%2C446

http://www.stridentconservative.com/isis-wants-us-dead-why-is-that-so-hard-to-understand/
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 06:44 pm
@coldjoint,
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It is not hate to make you aware of what Islam is. How is it hateful to post facts about the religion from their own words and actions.


Sorry but Islam is no more evil then the other majors religions happen to be and the 1/3 or so of the human race is no more evil that the other 2/3 of the human race.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 07:15 pm
@BillRM,

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Sorry but Islam is no more evil then the other majors religions


Sorry but it is, and I have proven it with their own words. But one more question, what other religion kills for insults?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2015 09:59 pm
@coldjoint,
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I have proven it with their own words


Plenty of similar words in the Christian bible and your own words are no better then the Muslims extremists words as you would love to see a religion war aim at 1/3 of the human race just as they do.
 

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