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Democrats Launch Renewed Assault on the US Constitution

 
 
oralloy
 
Reply Thu 8 Oct, 2015 11:24 pm

Remember, every time you vote for a Republican, you help the Republicans protect your freedom.

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Democrats on Thursday will begin a new push for gun control legislation in the Senate and plan to block other bills until their measures get a vote, Senate Democrats said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/us/politics/senate-democrats-to-renew-push-for-gun-control-measures.html
 
woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2015 11:43 am
@oralloy,
Sure, just what we need, more gun laws that to do solve the real problem. Unfortunately, the narrow minded Democrats refuse to accept the reality that the root cause to this problem is not enforcing existing laws and not looking at the application process relative to mental health status of applicants.

Blame folks like DiBlasio for stopping the Stop and Frisk policy to start with.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:02 am
@oralloy,
I know you guys don't think this is even the most remote possibility, but answer the question anyway please.

If Americans happen to choose Hillary over Trump in spite of her stated desire to regulate guns... Will you guys STFU?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:06 am
@maxdancona,
Republicans are guilty of attempting to suppress voting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:19 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
If Americans happen to choose Hillary over Trump in spite of her stated desire to regulate guns... Will you guys STFU?

No. I will become even louder.

If the Democrats wish to no longer be condemned for their appalling crusade against freedom and civil rights, they need to STOP their appalling crusade against freedom and civil rights.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:21 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Republicans are guilty of attempting to suppress voting.

The only votes that are being suppressed are the ones that are being cast by dead people. Voter ID doesn't prevent the living from casting a vote once per election.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:23 am
@oralloy,
The right to bear arms in written in our Constitution. What makes you think the democrats are trying to overturn this right?
Show proof, not your rhetoric.

State Private Sales of Guns | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
smartgunlaws.org/.../state-private-sales-of-guns/
Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
The following Illinois laws apply to all firearm sales, regardless of whether the seller is a licensed dealer: Illinois law prohibits any person from knowingly selling firearms or ammunition to individuals who are ineligible to possess a firearm or who do not hold a Firearm Owner's Identification (“FOID”) card.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:31 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
What makes you think the democrats are trying to overturn this right?

Mostly it is their sustained concerted efforts to violate it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:32 am
@oralloy,
Your rhetoric doesn't match the facts.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:34 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Your rhetoric doesn't match the facts.

Yes it does.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:34 am
Lets examine each proposal by the Dems:

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The expansion would include online firearms purchases and those from unlicensed dealers at gun shows.


Online firearm purchases are already covered by existing gun laws. You can't send a gun through the mail unless it goes to a FFL person who then runs a background check before the transfer of the weapon can take place.

Unlicensed dealers. This can be a misnomer for someone selling a single gun at the show as most states require a FFL to have a spot at a gun show. This should be left to the states to decide, not the federal govt.

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Under existing law, the F.B.I. has three days to provide evidence that a gun sale should be prohibited. If there is any delay, the sale can be completed on the fourth day.


They say this could have prevent Dylan Roof from getting a gun. Was it ever stated that if the wait time had been a week that he would have been denied? Was there information in a database somewhere that would have been found to prevent him from getting a gun? They also say over 15000 purchases were made and would have been prevented if not for the 72 hour limit.

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That measure, sponsored by Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, would expressly prohibit straw purchases and stiffen penalties for making false statements in connection with gun buying.


These things are already all illegal. The problem is the DOJ doesn't properly prosecute these types of cases. Increasing the penalty, jail time, would be a good idea but you actually have to do it.


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:42 am
@oralloy,
Do you understand this law?

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State Private Sales of Guns | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
smartgunlaws.org/.../state-private-sales-of-guns/
Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
The following Illinois laws apply to all firearm sales, regardless of whether the seller is a licensed dealer: Illinois law prohibits any person from knowingly selling firearms or ammunition to individuals who are ineligible to possess a firearm or who do not hold a Firearm Owner's Identification (“FOID”) card.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:43 am
@cicerone imposter,
If that is the case, why do so many Dems including Obama support Australian style gun control? Obama praises them so often that you know this is what he wants.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:49 am
@Baldimo,
I can also support some laws such as the "right to bear arms." Doesn't mean a thing, because the feds and states can establish conditions to that law. And they do. I happen to agree with those conditions.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 12:01 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

maxdancona wrote:
If Americans happen to choose Hillary over Trump in spite of her stated desire to regulate guns... Will you guys STFU?

No. I will become even louder.

If the Democrats wish to no longer be condemned for their appalling crusade against freedom and civil rights, they need to STOP their appalling crusade against freedom and civil rights.


This is a democracy Oralloy. After the Republican politicians realize that most American think you guys are crazy, you will see them abandon you. How many elections do you think they will lose before they let you guys go.

The Democrats want to take away your guns because the majority of Americans want to take your guns.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 12:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Isn't it interesting that the republicans are the ones trying to restrict voting in majority democratic states.
http://prospect.org/article/22-states-wave-new-voting-restrictions-threatens-shift-outcomes-tight-races

You gotta get your head our of your arse.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 12:15 pm
@maxdancona,
Sorry Max, but the majority of Americans do not want to take away the guns. This is some sort of fantasy in the minds of the anti-gun crowd.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 12:23 pm
@Baldimo,
We will see Baldimo. If Trump gets elected, I will take that as evidence that maybe you are right about what the majority of Americans want.

But if Hillary wins after two Obama terms, I will feel pretty confident that you guys are the minority.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 12:33 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
This is a democracy Oralloy. After the Republican politicians realize that most American think you guys are crazy, you will see them abandon you. How many elections do you think they will lose before they let you guys go.

The Democrats want to take away your guns because the majority of Americans want to take your guns.

Your opposition to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is chilling.

I know I've often noted the fact that Liberals hate freedom and civil rights just as much as the 9/11 hijackers did. But still, to actually see a Liberal be so open about wanting to topple the Constitution is always chilling.

Nothing personal, but you guys really do all belong in cages at Guantanamo.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2016 12:34 pm
@maxdancona,
I don't think who wins the Presidential race is going to decide if guns get banned or not. I didn't think our rights were dictated by who the President was. If that was the case, then after 8 years of Obama we would have seen a decrease in gun sales. Instead Obama has been the best thing to happen to gun sales in 50 years. The # of first time gun buyers is on the rise and this includes women. Who knows, after the mass shooting in Orlando, you might even have the gay community add to this.
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