U.S. Students in China

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I believe there are many Chinese students in the U.S. studying computer science and related disciplines. Are there equivalent numbers of U.S. students in China studying computer science and related disciplines?

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[+4] - engineer - 09/23/2015There are many US students studying in China. They tend to study business, international relations, Chinese culture, etc. There is no reason for them to study computer science.
[+4] - engineer - 09/23/2015[quote="gollum"] We are we educating their people? [/quote] Because exposing them to our culture and values gives them the tools to make a difference back home.
[+3] - tsarstepan - 09/22/2015[quote="gollum"] Ragman- Thank you. That the Chinese (and the Russians) appear to be quite good at hacking computers of major U.S. institutions. We are we educating their people?...
[+3] - izzythepush - 09/23/2015If you want it to bite you on the arse. Not only would you miss out on the income, you'd fall foul of the tacit agreement by universities to work together. My daughter spent a year at a Chinese...

@gollum,

why would they want to do that when we have the best computer education in the world? An American would mostly likely want an American education to get hired by an American firm. Why would they get a Chinese education to get an American job?

However, if they want a Chinese job, they'd have a difficult time assimilating into Chinese culture and the firm might be more interested in hiring a Chinese worker.

What are you getting at here?

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@Ragman,

Ragman-

Thank you.

That the Chinese (and the Russians) appear to be quite good at hacking computers of major U.S. institutions. We are we educating their people?

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@gollum,

Probably so, but not much reason to think they are educating ours.

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@gollum,

The properly directed conflict is with the Chinese gov't ..not the Chinese student. Do you think our gov't should cancel all Chinese student visas? What about all the others...Russian and Romanians and some middle eastern nations and other bad hacking actors?

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@Ragman,

What if that created more vacancies in the university system, resulting in lower tuition costs for the rest of us? You can always find a silver lining if you look long enough.

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@gollum,

gollum wrote:

Ragman-

Thank you.

That the Chinese (and the Russians) appear to be quite good at hacking computers of major U.S. institutions. We are we educating their people?

Our higher education system isn't into institutionalized racism as you seemingly want them to be.

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan-

Thank you.

Would it be appropriate to consider citizenship if not race?

If a foreign nation (e.g., China, Russia) is causing material harm to the U.S. by hacking our computers, is there any point at which we could refuse to educate its citizens in computer related disciplines?

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@gollum,

If you want it to bite you on the arse. Not only would you miss out on the income, you'd fall foul of the tacit agreement by universities to work together. My daughter spent a year at a Chinese university studying mandarin and we wouldn't want to jeopardise that because of American paranoia. Those Chinese students can come over here, and we can teach them the best ways to hack into your computers.

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@gollum,

There are many US students studying in China. They tend to study business, international relations, Chinese culture, etc. There is no reason for them to study computer science.

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@gollum,

gollum wrote:

We are we educating their people?

Because exposing them to our culture and values gives them the tools to make a difference back home.

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@gollum,

gollum wrote:

tsarstepan-

Thank you.

Would it be appropriate to consider citizenship if not race?

If a foreign nation (e.g., China, Russia) is causing material harm to the U.S. by hacking our computers, is there any point at which we could refuse to educate its citizens in computer related disciplines?

No. That's why our education system is the best in the world. (Eat it Great Britain!) Our independent group of universities and colleges are transcend politics, political boundaries, and political ideologies.

You're assuming that China and Russia don't have the academic institutions and knowhow to train their own intelligence communities. They definitely don't need to send their prospective agents of cyberterrorism/cyberwarfare here to the US where they can fall victim to our very enticing cultural and social lifestyles.

They can train their own (and I bet they often do).

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

gollum wrote:

We are we educating their people?

Because exposing them to our culture and values gives them the tools to make a difference back home.

You're 1000% right on the nose Engineer. This is the best form of cultural and political propagation going for the United States and many other western democracies.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

What if that created more vacancies in the university system, resulting in lower tuition costs for the rest of us?

Quote:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/05/08/some-public-universities-are-charging-differentiated-tuition-rates-or-raising-fees

drop those extra fees foreign students pay and tuition rates for the locals will likely go up

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@ehBeth,

from the same link

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At the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, international undergraduates in most fields will pay an additional $830 in tuition this fall while international undergraduates in engineering will pay nearly $3,000 extra. Half the differential paid by international engineering students is set aside for scholarships for Illinois residents. “Like so many public institutions, maintaining affordability for our stakeholders and especially our state residents is a big issue,” said Charles Tucker, the university’s vice provost for undergraduate education and innovation.

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