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The Democrat Convention---2004

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2004 12:10 pm
An update on the balloons:
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MISCHER DEEPLY SORRY FOR BALLOON RAGE

The producer of the Democratic National Convention in Boston "deeply apologized" on Friday for his exasperated, profanity-laced tirade which on worldwide TV just as Kerry ended his acceptance speech.

"I feel terrible about it, and I deeply apologize to anyone I might have offended," Hollywood heavy Don Mischer tells Saturday's LOS ANGELES TIMES.

CNN said it had received permission from Mischer to air audio from the control room from time to time to provide behind-the-scenes flavor.

But Mischer said he had no idea his control-room comments were being broadcast at the time. Mischer explains how his microphone had a switch allowing him to update the networks and media, including CNN, about schedule changes -- but that the switch was "unequivocally" in the off position during the balloon drop!

"Jesus! We need more balloons. I want all balloons to go, goddammit... What the f**k are you guys doing up there? We want more balloons coming down, more balloons. More balloons. More balloons," Mischer said over the air on CNN during Kerry's climax. -- posted by Drudge


I am on record as being very amused by this incident and in no way offended by it or Mr. Mischer's language. He was probably more reserved than I would have been under the same circumstances.

Any who have experienced FUBAR while being in charge of anything have to sympathise with the situation.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2004 12:23 pm
Although it sounds like an episode of "The Sopranos" people do swear, especially when there's a snafu in their plans. Toscanini was famous for chewing out an oboist who squeeked out a wrong note but his performances attested to his striving for perfection. I did notice the balloons were rather paltry. Did someone miscalculate on the number of balloons required or did they just run out of hot air? Very Happy
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2004 04:45 pm
Finn has some good points ... definitely.

For example on the ever more 'virtual' designation of "progressive" and "conservative" to parties and movements. Mostly the terms are used as just another equivalent of "left" and "right". But if you look at the economic policies the different parties today espouse, the contradiction in its use is kinda striking.

After all, its the liberal and conservative parties of the Right that now forever push for more "reform", for "overhauls" - of social security, disability benefits, bureaucracy, pensions, of well, everything, it sometimes seems! They're for privatisation, for liberalisation, for dismantling and restructuring and - well, change. Whereas its the "progressive" Left thats desperately trying to hold on to the achievements of the fifties through seventies, trying to conserve at least something of the welfare state. It is the Left that laments the loss of traditional solidarity and the sense of communal responsibility, while it is the liberal and conservative right that has embraced the "me"-era of yuppiedom. Economically speaking, it is the "progressive" socialdemocrats, socialists and greens that are being conservative, while its the "conservative" Right thats forever pushing for more change, promising us the perpetual economic progress of the market if we will just yield and embrace the neoliberals' recipes for reform.

Of course, when it comes to less material issues, whether its the cross on the walls of Bavarian schools or the right of French gays to marry, the roles are still as they always were: the conservatives/christian-democrats are, well, conservative, while the leftists and liberals see no problem in challenging ever new conventions.

Another hobbyhorse of mine Finn is confirming is how left and right are not the opposite ends of something linear - if anything, its a circle! Thats true especially now that the far left has dumped most of the more opaque and elaborate stipulations of marxist-leninist dogma, simply launching into populism (and in Eastern Europe, nationalist populism) instead - and the far right, too, has been trying to downplay any actual links to the fascist past and reinvent itself as a flexible, pragmatic force. In Western Europe, the far left and far right are still passionate enemies of one another despite the collectivism, populism and suspicion of Israel they have in common, but in post-communist Eastern Europe the "red-brown" mix of the two has long established a clear, even dominant presence in politics.

Finally, there's his echo on how "the liberalism that I consider the foundation of Western Civilization doesn't require social programs and labor unions". Perhaps its due to the labour movement never having gotten a lasting party-political foothold in America (alas), that "liberal" and "leftist" have come to be collapsed into a single political category in the US. I want to "blame" FDR for it, but I guess the Democrats have often before co-opted some of the rousing working class rhetorics - after all, it was a William Jennings Bryan song that went (I think I once posted it before <giggles>):

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In heaven there's no millionaires, So the Good Book doth tell; They may be down with Satan, Monopolizing hell. Watch them close if they are there, They may you also fleece; Make them pay their bills, They've got wealth right from the poor they squeeze.


Razz
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Brand X
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2004 07:57 am
This about nails it. Laughing

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Here's what he really said
By Howie Carr
Recent Columns by Howie Carr
Friday, July 30, 2004

If he really wanted to properly introduce himself to the American people last night, why didn't John Kerry [related, bio] use his trademark line, the one he has employed for so many years around here, whenever anyone calls him on anything?

``Do you know who I am?''

Instead - before the now famous balloon and f-bomb drop on CNN - we got the lame refrain, ``Help is on the way.''

Presumably, good help, which as John and the widow Heinz can tell you, is awfully hard to find.

It was an odd speech, and by the way, is it over yet? I thought he'd served in the Senate, but apparently he was fighting in Vietnam with a band of brothers from 1968 until last year when he announced for president.

If you used Kerry's speech to play the drinking game, where you take a sip whenever someone says a certain word, then you've probably got a hangover this morning if your word was ``Vietnam'' or ``fight'' or ``war.''

Thank God this convention is finally over. It turned into Mumbles Menino's Iraq war. Many fled the city in terror, so in case you didn't watch Liveshot's speech, let me provide you with the lines themselves, and then, in italics, what he really meant.

``People are working weekends; they're working two jobs, three jobs, and they're still not getting ahead.''

It's hard to get ahead when gigolos keep cutting in line in front of you.

``And what can I say about Teresa?''

Three words will suffice: one billion dollars.

``She's down to earth, nurturing, courageous, wise and smart.''

Did I mention her five mansions worth $50 million, and her $35 million Gulfstream V?

``Opportunity for all - so that every child, every parent, every worker has an equal shot at living up to their God-given potential.''

You too can marry two heiresses. It's the American dream.

``My fellow citizens, elections are about choices.''

Which is why I try to be on both sides of every issue. You choose which side you're on, I'm there for you.

``I rode my bike into Soviet East Berlin.''

It was a Schwinn - I'd never even heard of an $8,000 Serotta back then.

``As president, I will ask hard questions.''

Sommelier, which of these two imported $125 Merlots would you recommend?

``So tonight we say: Help is on the way.''

I'm sending my butler.


Source
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2004 09:44 am
Nah. That's a Big Whiff.

At what point in John Kerry's speech do you think Karl Rove looked at his wife and said, "Oh, (Cheney)"?

Do you think it was when they realized that John Kerry was going to hit them harder than virtually any other speaker at the convention:

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"I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war. I will have a Vice President who will not conduct secret meetings with polluters to rewrite our environmental laws. I will have a Secretary of Defense who will listen to the best advice of our military leaders. And I will appoint an Attorney General who actually upholds the Constitution of the United States"


Do you think Dick Cheney thought to himself, "We're me'ed" when he heard John Kerry say:

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"Now I know there are those who criticize me for seeing complexities - and I do - because some issues just aren't all that simple. Saying there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq doesn't make it so. Saying we can fight a war on the cheap doesn't make it so. And proclaiming mission accomplished certainly doesn't make it so."


Do you think Rove said, "We'd better hide the keys to the White House liquor cabinet" when John Kerry said:

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"Before you go to battle, you have to be able to look a parent in the eye and truthfully say: 'I tried everything possible to avoid sending your son or daughter into harm's way'"


Do you think Dick Cheney had to dial back his pacemaker to keep his blood pressure from blowing the top of his head off when John Kerry said:

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"That flag doesn't belong to any president. It doesn't belong to any ideology and it doesn't belong to any political party. It belongs to all the American people."


Or when John Kerry said:

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"It is time for those who talk about family values to start valuing families."


(What an obvious and almost sublimely simple turn of phrase that magnificently torches the original.)

Do you think Rove and Cheney looked at each other as if they were going to vomit at the end, as commentator after commentator, all the ones who had lined up so dutifully behind the White House's talking points for all these years, praised John Kerry? And Friday morning, on Fox News of all places, National Review editor Rich Lowry had almost nothing but praise for Kerry? Do you think they asked each other, "What do we tell the President?"

Oh, the Right will be hysterical the next few weeks, attacking Kerry for attacking Bush's record as president at the same time the GOP posts bullshit like this, which simply points out that Kerry is rich while never mentioning how much Bush is worth.

The sludge pumps are already being hooked up in the Garden for the GOP hatefest, taking a short break to commandeer Ground Zero as Republican holy ground, but the bilge will get flowing as soon as tomorrow, when the Party of Compassionate Conservatism unleashes its latest rabid-dog video attacks.

It's not gonna work. The few undecideds left are going to be turned off by that and will turn away.

The GOP will get personal. Kerry will stay political. The GOP will try to make Kerry's pointing out the facts of Bush's many miserable failures on record look personal.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2004 09:51 am
Now if John Kerry had said what I wanted to hear, something like, "Tell that motherf-----g dry drunk, war-mongering, environment-trashing, slack-jawed, sweating-like-a-black-man-on-Election-Day-in-Florida, Yankee-turned-yokel-wannabe to step off or I'll bitch-slap him back to sweet Mama Bab's saggy teats," then , you know, he'd be gettin' personal. Cool
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2004 10:03 am
Quote:
"I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war. I will have a Vice President who will not conduct secret meetings with polluters to rewrite our environmental laws. I will have a Secretary of Defense who will listen to the best advice of our military leaders. And I will appoint an Attorney General who actually upholds the Constitution of the United States"


John Kerry had the same information re the situation in Iraq as did the administration. He voted for the war.....before 'he voted against it.' But of course if he had been president he wouldn't have made that mistake I guess.

Quote:
"Now I know there are those who criticize me for seeing complexities - and I do - because some issues just aren't all that simple. Saying there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq doesn't make it so. Saying we can fight a war on the cheap doesn't make it so. And proclaiming mission accomplished certainly doesn't make it so."


I wonder why he so profoundly and emphatically gave his speech on WMD with admonitions that the administration must deal with them? I wonder why he signed the letter along with several other prominent Democrats urging the administration to take action?

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Before you go to battle, you have to be able to look a parent in the eye and truthfully say: 'I tried everything possible to avoid sending your son or daughter into harm's way'"


Refer to the previous two comments.

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That flag doesn't belong to any president. It doesn't belong to any ideology and it doesn't belong to any political party. It belongs to all the American people."


That's right. It belongs to Republicans too.

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It is time for those who talk about family values to start valuing families."


But by all means let's vote like John Kerry votes to weaken families in many significant ways.

The one word that seems to fit in situations like this is: hypocrite.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2004 10:07 am
How has John Kerry voted "to weaken families in many significant ways", Fox?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2004 10:25 am
Nimh, he has consistently voted for welfare legislation that almost forces fathers to be absent from the household; he has voted against elimination of the marriage tax penalty; he has voted for every government initative that makes it easier for parents to stick their kids in day care; he has voted for every pro-abortion initiative; he has pretty well consistently voted against parental notification before children are given an abortion or contraceptives; etc. There is probably more but I didn't take time to research it. Let's just say his voting record is not conducive to strengthening or supporting families but rather caters to the liberal agenda.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2004 10:37 am
Like I said.

They got nothin' to run on.

Bush-Cheney can't run on Bush-Cheney's record, so instead we're gonna get a few weeks of TV-commercial crap leading up to four days of non-stop negativity, pausing once in awhile to wave the flag.

Kinda like the TV equivalent of the RNC web site -- nothing positive about Bush, plenty of negative about Kerry.

Should go over great with an electorate that polls said four years ago were fed up with negative campaigning.

Wouldn't it be a pisser if Bush's poll numbers actually dropped after the GOP convention?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2004 10:43 am
Well we don't know about that yet do we PD? The RNC says that unlike Kerry/Edwards who are afraid to run on their record, Bush/Cheney will absolutely be running on their record. So we'll see how it goes.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2004 11:01 am
Foxfyre wrote:
The RNC says that unlike Kerry/Edwards who are afraid to run on their record, Bush/Cheney will absolutely be running on their record.


Oh the RNC says that, do they?

Well, clearly that changes everything...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2004 09:30 am
Foxfyre wrote:
The RNC says that unlike Kerry/Edwards who are afraid to run on their record, Bush/Cheney will absolutely be running on their record.


It this were literally true, they'd be out of work in six months time. Rather, i think they will run on what they claim their record to be, rather than what it actually has been.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2004 09:57 pm
PDiddie's quote--

Should go over great with an electorate that polls said four years ago were fed up with negative campaigning.
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This cracks me up every time I hear it.

The Dems think actually talking about Kerry's voting record in the Senate is negative campaigning!!! (That's his resume.)
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2004 05:52 am
Sofia, when regarding Nixon in history do you thinki people tend to remember his role with the House Un-american Activities Committe or his role with Watergate?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2004 07:10 am
I'm not Sofia (for which she is no doubt imminently grateful) but I think the first thing that comes to mind with anybody re Nixon is Watergate. It was the most juicy and outrageous scandal of anybody's personal memory at that time. Those who dabble in the deeper history of that era know that Nixon was compromising constitutional authority to an alarming degree--Watergate by comparison was almost a fluke and probably wouldn't get a president more than a lot of negative publicity now.

Right or wrong, it isn't much different than Bill Clinton's most prominent legacy, at least in the memory of most Americans including his supporters, is Monica. It's still the butt of late night jokes and still shows up on message boards all over the internet. I doubt he'll ever live it down as Nixon never lived down Watergate.
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swolf
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2004 07:30 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I'm not Sofia (for which she is no doubt imminently grateful) but I think the first thing that comes to mind with anybody re Nixon is Watergate. It was the most juicy and outrageous scandal of anybody's personal memory at that time. Those who dabble in the deeper history of that era know that Nixon was compromising constitutional authority to an alarming degree--Watergate by comparison was almost a fluke and probably wouldn't get a president more than a lot of negative publicity now.

Right or wrong, it isn't much different than Bill Clinton's most prominent legacy, at least in the memory of most Americans including his supporters, is Monica. It's still the butt of late night jokes and still shows up on message boards all over the internet. I doubt he'll ever live it down as Nixon never lived down Watergate.


Klintler's abuse of government agencies was vastly worse than Nixon's. They were starting to call the IRS the Internal Revenge Service five years ago.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2004 07:33 am
Maybe history will come out with that Swolf. But Clinton won't be remembered for it like he will be remembered for Monica. Nor are Nixon's real 'sins' as glamorous or as easy to condense into a sound bite and therefore don't have the staying power that Watergate does. So, right or wrong, Nixon will forever, at least in this generation, be burdened with Watergate hung around his neck.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2004 06:51 pm
Hmmm.

I don't get dys' reference, though.

Despite what a politician will be remembered most for--pointing to a Senator's voting record is not negative campaigning. It's merely drawing out the job Kerry did as a politician.

Surely Kerry will (and has) talked about Bush's performance as President... Is THAT negative campaigning, as well?

This reminds me of Max Cleland, and the mess that was associated with Georgians turning him out. I never read Ann Coulter's remarks about how Cleland was injured--but what I have heard about her opinion and accusations was horrible. Max wasn't 'let go' because his military service was in question--nor that one or two nasty types were trying to smear him-- it was because he argued with many of Bush's positions on the war that the majority of Georgians agreed with.

Simply, his voting record, and rhetoric was anti-Bush in a pro-Bush state.

Kerry's voting record clearly illustrates the job he was doing in Washington. As a candidate opposing Kerry, it is proper to make sure the electorate knows how he voted on issues that interest the voting public.

Fox, I agree with everything you said here, except--
I'm not Sofia (for which she is no doubt imminently grateful)
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You be too silly. Smile
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2004 09:22 pm
It is absurd to argue, suggest or even hint that it is negative campaigning to discuss Kerry's record in the Senate.

It is also indicative of a slavish connection to the Democratic spin machine.

If Kerry's votes during 20 years in the Senate actually are immaterial to whether or not he should be president, that alone should tell you something about the Senator and the man.
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