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Does Teresa Heinz-Kerry Make You Feel Creepy?

 
 
Redheat
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2004 02:51 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Hitlary is another fine example of an upstanding first lady. She turned a blind eye to her husbands many affairs while secretly having many lesbian affairs of her own. All in the name of "shared power". Makes me sick to my stomach.


Really so you think she should have broken up her FAMILY in order quell your bad intenstinial problems?

Laughing lesbian affairs. what are you 13? How immature.

What makes me "sick" is a man who walks away from his family on Thanksgiving leaving his sons inside so he can go be with his mistress.

Or

A man who wants to bring his mistress in the same house as his children

Or

A man who cheats on every wife with the next wife

OR

A man who f***s a woman going to the gas chamber in the back of a limo

OR

A man who leaves his wife dying with Cancer so he can be with his mistress

OR

People who are hypocrites!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2004 02:54 pm
I am glad Clinton makes you sick as well.
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tcis
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2004 04:18 pm
Redheat wrote:

What makes me "sick" is a man who walks away from his family on Thanksgiving leaving his sons inside so he can go be with his mistress.
Or
A man who wants to bring his mistress in the same house as his children
Or
A man who cheats on every wife with the next wife
OR
A man who f***s a woman going to the gas chamber in the back of a limo
OR
A man who leaves his wife dying with Cancer so he can be with his mistress
OR
People who are hypocrites!


Hypocrites, indeed. Redheat, those things you mentioned make me sick, too. The thing is, there is also a woman involved in every cheating session. What I am saying is, the male cheater is wrong, of course. But for every instance you cite above, there is a woman cheater also. Isn't the mistress cheating?

I just don't like it when the men are the only ones held up to be the cheater. Every time they cheat, they do it with a partner. And that partner is a woman. A female cheater.

The numbers of female and male cheaters are equal.

It doesn't make what the men do right. I'm just saying there are just as many women out there willing to cheat as there are men.

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I believe Heinz has every right to be a strong opinionated woman, etc.

I was just saying I found it a bit odd how she kept bringing up her ex-husband, causing Kerry to smirk. I would think it was odd if my friend's wife kept bringing up her ex-husband in front of him at a public luncheon, etc. Same thing for men: I would find it strange if a husband repeatedly brought up the subject of his ex-wife in front his present wife, in public. Shows no respect for the wife, I think.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2004 05:17 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Hitlary is another fine example of an upstanding first lady. She turned a blind eye to her husbands many affairs while secretly having many lesbian affairs of her own.

Now, now, McGentrix, dont let your fantasies run away with you ... better they not see the daylight! Razz
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2004 05:26 pm
I must admit I hadnt yet spent a single thought on Ms Heinz-Kerry. But just after I first read this thread, I came upon this article that's about Ms Edwards but manages to say quite some stuff about Theresa as well ... and the answer would seem to be, no tcis, you're not the only person wondering or worrying ...

Also got some warning shots about Mr Kerry and campaign strategy as well ...

Quote:
Right Woman
by Gregg Easterbrook


Only at TNR Online
Post date: 07.14.04

Magnetism, down-to-Earth charm, good-lookin', well-spoken, gifted campaigner, the common touch and a special sparkle simultaneously: Edwards sure is going to help the Democratic ticket. Elizabeth Edwards, I mean.

Rightly or wrong, we live in a moment when candidates' wives are subject to considerable scrutiny. (Maybe someday candidates' husbands will be subject to scrutiny in America--Dennis Thatcher experienced that in Britain--but not in 2004.) Betty Ford and Barbara Bush were more popular than Gerald or George. Hillary was the she-devil of the right; surely there were ritual human sacrifices when her secret health-care reform committee met. Nancy Reagan was first dismissed, then grudgingly admired. Dr. Judith Steinberg was roundly denounced by the chattering classes for believing her first duty was to her patients, not to the Howard Dean campaign, though her choice made me wish she was my doctor.

Most focus on candidates' wives falls somewhere on the spectrum between inane and condescending. But it's there nonetheless and must be taken into account: The media and voters have become obsessed with top-of-the-ticket wives, and except for Steinberg, the wives have responded by racing toward the cameras. I could be wrong about this, but I think the wife star of the 2004 campaign will be Mrs. Edwards. If they're not already thinking this, Democratic strategists may soon be pondering ways to get her out front, while getting Teresa Heinz back to foundation headquarters to review grant applications.

Elizabeth Edwards may prove far more appealing to voters than Teresa Heinz, but let's postpone that comparison for a moment and simply consider Mrs. Edwards on her own. She's smart and well-spoken, well versed in the issues, poised in public. She had an impressive professional career--law school, clerk for a federal judge, then law practice--and gave it up to become a traditional mother for the couple's four children. The Ivy League crowd may belittle traditional motherhood, but millions of Americans admire this role. Elizabeth Edwards bore four kids, which is a service to humanity in and of itself, and two are little--the Edwards are the only ones in the race with young children, and cute kids have an inherent charm that will draw voters to the couple's story. Elizabeth Edwards has endured every parent's worst nightmare, the death of a child, Wade, in a car crash at age 16. Family tragedy is among the most potent forces that can enter a person's life; to lose a child is on the short list of the most horrible experiences a human being can have. Mrs. Edwards has faced family tragedy; large numbers of Americans have also faced it; those who can face family tragedy and still get up in the morning are deservedly admired. She'll get such admiration.

Next, and don't chortle, Elizabeth Edwards is overweight but still attractive. There's a huge demographic of Americans who are overweight though still striving to look good: Elizabeth Edwards could become their champion! On the serious side, many women have gone through the life experience of being slender in youth--check the Edwards's wedding-day photo, Elizabeth is a lithe beauty--then simply not being able to keep the pounds off following the double whammy of childbearing followed by child-rearing, which means, oh, 20 years or so without time to exercise. By being an overweight yet still attractive traditional mom, Elizabeth Edwards radiates "I am a real-world person" in a way that none of the other three wives can. (Teresa Heinz inherited spectacular wealth; Lynne Cheney is a policy wonk-novelist; as for Laura Bush, nobody who's been First Lady is real-world any longer.)

Now consider Elizabeth Edwards on political substance. During the Democratic couples' joint "60 Minutes" appearance on Sunday, Mrs. Edwards not only outshone Teresa Heinz by a hefty margin, she might have bested both men, too.

All four were asked something the Democratic ticket will hear a lot this year, a question it must learn to answer: How can Kerry and Edwards, both very wealthy, appreciate the needs of the average person? Senator Kerry went first, and bungled the question. He called reference to his own wealth "the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life," and noted that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld are wealthy, too. The question of Kerry's great wealth is not ridiculous--few Americans have, like him, five homes. This question will be on many voters' minds, and Kerry needs to face this question squarely, not try to dismiss the issue as ridiculous. Nor is noting that his opponents are wealthy an answer: If Kerry were accused of being unethical, he would not reply by saying, "My opponents are also unethical."

It's a mildly bad sign that the Democratic candidate does not yet have a good, ready answer for the Heinz-fortune question. Let me suggest a paraphrase of one, taking into account that numerous public-opinion studies have shown that the majority of voters do not begrudge wealth: "Yes, I am wealthy, and there's nothing wrong with wealth. I'm glad I have a lot of money. My only wish is that everyone had a lot of money. But I understand that most people do not have a lot of money, and as president, I'll be concerned with typical people and what they need to get by, not with other rich people. The rich ought to be able to take care of themselves, without any special favors from the White House."

Next Teresa took a swing at the wealth question, and if her husband hit a bloop single, she whiffed big time. "I find it un-American for people to criticize someone and say they're not deserved for any position whether because they have too much or too little, or because they're black or they're white. That's un-American," she snarled. First, to call someone un-American is the nuclear bomb of U.S. politics: If it's only July and already Teresa Heinz is going nuclear against her critics over a perfectly fair question, this is not an auspicious omen. Second, to pretend that questions about money are like questions about race is wacky. Teresa Heinz is under a lot of pressure to release her income-tax returns, and she is absolutely going to have to do so--the sooner the better, so this matter can be chewed over and then forgotten. If she builds up refusal to answer questions about the money she inherited into some kind of parody of a civil rights issue, she's going to make herself a serious distraction.

Calling her critics un-American on "60 Minutes" came after Teresa acted haughty a few days earlier on "Larry King Live," and that's two bad signs in one week about the potential First Lady. (On "King," she made it sound as if Kerry defers to her in decisions--fine for a marriage, a formula for losing red-state votes in a presidential campaign.) Here's the big worry regarding Teresa Heinz--she's a wonderful person, genuinely public-spirited and genuine in private, but most of her adult life she has received the "Yes, Your Majesty" treatment. Extremely rich people become accustomed to giving instructions and getting their way; the temptation to think, how dare they question me, is powerful. It's only July, and already Teresa Heinz seems on the verge of saying how dare they question me, or the equivalent. This seems like an accident waiting to happen for the Democratic ticket. You can be a good person in your heart, as Teresa Heinz is, and still make yourself look really bad in public. Teresa and her advisors need to look this problem in the eye right away, and perhaps prevent the accident from happening. It's not un-American to note this.

And now back to Elizabeth Edwards. Asked the wealth question, she replied by noting that senators Kerry and Edwards both voted against the tax cut bills that would have brought each large sums of money. She then asked, "Isn't that what we want? A leader who looks at the greater good instead of what simply what benefits the person himself, or the people in his own class or their donors or whatever else you're looking at? These men did what was right for all Americans and it seems to me that's an enormous test of character--whether you're willing to step out and do something against your own self interest."

Amen, amen. Perfect answer. And if you're thinking, well, maybe a consultant coached her to say that, a consultant clearly had not coached the presidential candidate himself with a good answer. Elizabeth Edwards cut through the B.S. to what mattered about the biggest question the Democratic four have so far been asked together. Maybe she should be the one doing the coaching of the candidate.

Gregg Easterbrook is a senior editor at TNR.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2004 07:53 pm
" a perfect model of how a spouse in her position should conduct herself " ... i thought we had entered the 21st century some time ago; nooo, i must be wrong. hbg btw. would it not be more appropriate for ladies to wear a hat when accompanying the husband. it would show much more proper "conduct", don't you think ?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jul, 2004 08:13 pm
Spouse denotes husband or wife--which is why I didn't say wife.

One is elected. I don't give a damn what their spouse has to say. Has Barbara Boxer's husband been making speeches? Christie Todd Whitman's husband been sitting in on policy meetings?

Its not their place. IMO.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2004 05:38 am
Sofia is right to a degree. I doubt the average spouse gets involved with policy making decisions of their counterpart's work. They may get into discussions about their spouses' asking for raises or a promotion. That's really something that effects their personal life. However, it's obvious to me that at the top of the political spectrum and especially the first lady, it's changed over the years with strong willed women like Nancy Reagan and can you imagine Bill Clinton ignoring Hillary's input? We'll never know how much or in what direction these influences affect policy. As to politicians looking creepy, better take another look at Abraham and Mary Todd. Someone posted a photo of Lurch as a double for Kerry. It looked more like Lincoln.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2004 05:58 am
hamburger wrote:
" a perfect model of how a spouse in her position should conduct herself " ... i thought we had entered the 21st century some time ago; nooo, i must be wrong. hbg btw. would it not be more appropriate for ladies to wear a hat when accompanying the husband. it would show much more proper "conduct", don't you think ?


I agree with your comments abou the "hat". Did you notice at the recent Regan funeral, how few women actually wore hats. I've rarely seen, these days, American women with summer hats on, who weren't in the South.

Not the case in England, however! Razz
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2004 04:54 pm
(Happy to see degrees of agreement with LW!!)
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If you want to see Southern Women sporting some funky, or stylish hats, tune in to the Kentucky Derby.

LOVE THOSE HATS!
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the reincarnation of suzy
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2004 10:26 pm
Hamburger.,
For a minute I thought you were serious in scoffing at women for not wearing hats in their husband's presence! I was gonna blast you for your archaic thinking! Then I noticed the quote within a quote! Smile
Whew!
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2004 11:50 pm
She is probably, I say this rather easily having not heard her at all myself, but going on, she is probably trying to describe a continuum in her own mind re how she got to here from there. I understand that easily, though I suppose it doesn't make a great speech. Well, surely they all need handlers, just like a dog show.

Sigh.
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Harper
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 05:07 am
As a comic and actress, I was working on doing a skit playing Laura Bush, I wrote a nice monologue but now it's dated, I am thinking that Heinz-Kerry might provide even better material.
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Thok
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 05:30 am
Re: Does Teresa Heinz-Kerry Make You Feel Creepy?
tcis wrote:
Does Teresa Heinz-Kerry Make You Feel Creepy?


No.
Quote:

She seems to continually interrupt Kerry, continually brings up her ex-husband (deceased), and often almost speaks negatively of Kerry (definitely less than complimentary).


Far from it! She is too quiet and speak not often. example Larry King live on CNN about 2 weeks ago

Quote:
Am I the only one gets a strange vibe from Teresa Heinz-Kerry?


Yes
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tcis
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 11:57 am
"Calling her critics un-American on "60 Minutes" came after Teresa acted haughty a few days earlier on "Larry King Live," and that's two bad signs in one week about the potential First Lady. (On "King," she made it sound as if Kerry defers to her in decisions--fine for a marriage, a formula for losing red-state votes in a presidential campaign.) Here's the big worry regarding Teresa Heinz--she's a wonderful person, genuinely public-spirited and genuine in private, but most of her adult life she has received the "Yes, Your Majesty" treatment. Extremely rich people become accustomed to giving instructions and getting their way; the temptation to think, how dare they question me, is powerful. It's only July, and already Teresa Heinz seems on the verge of saying how dare they question me, or the equivalent. This seems like an accident waiting to happen for the Democratic ticket. You can be a good person in your heart, as Teresa Heinz is, and still make yourself look really bad in public. Teresa and her advisors need to look this problem in the eye right away, and perhaps prevent the accident from happening. It's not un-American to note this."
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 01:45 pm
With all due respect, I seem to recall that Nancy Reagan had the reputation of being rather autocratic herself, as well as having a great deal of authority at the White House. We somehow survived her; I'm sure the country can surive Teresa, as well...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 01:54 pm
Do you think Hunt's will ever be served in the Whitehouse if they win?
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 03:40 pm
I saw the Larry King interview. I noticed the mention of her deceased husband. Kerry himself addressed that the deceased had actually introduce him to Teresa about a year before he died and that they had been friends.

Teresa also addressed that she and her deceased husband had been republicans.

My take on it was that this was how they were explaining their meeting, marriage, money and MOST IMPORTANTLY.... They were appealing to the republicans. If her first husband was such a respected republican, if she had been in the republican circle during his time in office, if Kerry had been friends with this republican - and such a good friend as to care for his wife after his death, THEN surely the republicans that have not decided how they will vote are being courted.

(Does that make sense?)
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 03:43 pm
Oh, and No, she doesn't make me feel queezy, or uneasy. I think she's wonderful.

But, then again, I come from a long line of strong outspoken women.
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Karzak
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2004 04:04 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
I'm sure the country can surive Teresa, as well...


Especially once kerry loses.
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