The press didnt report the truth about the Fence

The root of the trouble is that this entire Moslem region is totally dysfunctional, by any standard of the word

Have you seen a plan of where this wall actually is? None of it is in Israel, or even in the disputed territories. All of it is in land which up to recently was in what is left of Palestine.
And it goes straight through some villages and towns.
So as well as being an affront and a provocation, it is also a land-grab.
Get yourself a plan, and take a look. It is outrageous.
Now the international court has pronounced it illegal.

This was written by one who supports the state of Israel (but certainly not some of its recent actions).

Redheat,
I suggest you do some serious study of Palestine, Islam, and Israel.
The reason we fight Islamic Fascist terror today has very little to do with Israel and everything to do with Islam.
I highlighted those parts of your post that are simply incorrect.
The wall is a useful tool, nothing more.
But as far as the source of violence, I offer you the following thoughts:

Israel and any problems related to it, in spite of what you might read or hear in the world media, is not the central issue, and has never been the central issue in the upheaval in the region. Yes, there is a 100 year-old Israeli-Arab conflict, but it is not where the main show is.
The millions who died in the Iran-Iraq war had nothing to do with Israel. The mass murder happening right now in Sudan, where the Arab Moslem regime is massacring its black Christian citizens, has nothing to do with Israel.
The frequent reports from Algeria about the murders of hundreds of civilian in one village or another by other Algerians have nothing to do with Israel.
Saddam Hussein did not invade Kuwait, endangered Saudi Arabia and butchered his own people because of Israel.
Egypt did not use poison gas against Yemen in the 60's because of Israel. Assad the Father did not kill tens of thousands of his own citizens in one week in El Hamma in Syria because of Israel.
The Taliban control of Afghanistan and the civil war there had nothing to do with Israel.
The Libyan blowing up of the Pan-Am flight had nothing to do with Israel, and I could go on and on and on.

The root of the trouble is that this entire Moslem region is totally dysfunctional, by any standard of the word, and would have been so even if Israel would have joined the Arab league and an independent Palestine would have existed for 100 years.
The 22 member countries of the Arab league, from Mauritania to the Gulf States, have a total population of 300 millions, larger than the US and almost as large as the EU before its expansion.
They have a land area larger than either the US or all of Europe.
These 22 countries, with all their oil and natural resources, have a combined GDP smaller than that of Netherlands plus Belgium and equal to half of the GDP of California alone.
Within this meager GDP, the gaps between rich and poor are beyond belief and too many of the rich made their money not by succeeding in business, but by being corrupt rulers.
The social status of women is far below what it was in the Western World 150 years ago.
Human rights are below any reasonable standard, in spite of the grotesque fact that Libya was elected Chair of the UN Human Rights commission.
According to a report prepared by a committee of Arab intellectuals and published under the auspices of the U.N., the number of books translated by the entire Arab world is much smaller than what little Greece alone translates.
The total number of scientific publications of 300 million Arabs is less than that of 6 million Israelis.
Birth rates in the region are very high, increasing the poverty, the social gaps and the cultural decline.
And all of this is happening in a region, which only 30 years ago, was believed to be the next wealthy part of the world, and in a Moslem area, which developed, at some point in history, one of the most advanced cultures in the world.

It is fair to say that this creates an unprecedented breeding ground for cruel dictators, terror networks, fanaticism, incitement, suicide murders and general decline.
It is also a fact that almost everybody in the region blames this situation on the United States, on Israel, on Western Civilization, on Judaism and Christianity, on anyone and anything, except themselves.

I should also say a word about the millions of decent, honest, good people who are either devout Moslems or are not very religious but grew up in Moslem families. They are double victims of an outside world, which now develops Islamophobia and of their own environment, which breaks their heart by being totally dysfunctional.
The problem is that the vast silent majority of these Moslems are not part of the terror and of the incitement but they also do not stand up against it. They become accomplices, by omission, and this applies to political leaders, intellectuals, business people and many others.
Many of them can certainly tell right from wrong, but are afraid to express their views.

The above is partially excerpted from A View from the Eye of the Storm by Haim Harari.

The problem is not the fence.
The problem is the neighbors.

Palistinians deserve a homeland and goverment just like any other people.

They have been offered that over and over.

They don't want it, they want Israel destroyed instead.

Besides, Palastinians don't really have any history or claim to that land.

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They have been offered that over and over.

They don't want it, they want Israel destroyed instead.

Besides, Palastinians don't really have any history or claim to that land.

bull; as well to most of your other post

And Palastine has never been a country of its own.

Sorry that you feel terroists should be rewarded, I feel the opposite

the Palastinians themselves constantly sabotage plans to give them a seperate homeland by their terrorist actions.

Neither was Israel and that's the whole point in a nutshell.

One man's terrorist may be another man's freedom fighter. I am sure that is someone's quote, but I don't know whose right off hand.

That is true in a way, on the other hand they were not getting anywhere before the bombings either.

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Neither was Israel and that's the whole point in a nutshell.

Israel was indeed a country, as I suspect you know even as you deny it. I can name israeli kings, like david and solomon. Can you name a palastinian king?

Well, there have been three Israelic kings altogether, according to the Old Testament, so why did you forget to name the first one, Saul? :wink:

It was actual YOU, who named only two out of the three Old Testamentarian Isrealic kings.

You won.

The press reported the ICJ ruled the barrier to be illegal, should be torn down and the people compensated. Is that not the truth?