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Another Day Where We Do Not Know If Any Gods Exist Or Not!

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 10:40 am
@neologist,
Quote:
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:
. . . "While that was not his purpose or will, I think he knew very well that bad things would undoubtedly happen, and in the end would serve his purpose."

That would make God responsible for 6000+/- years of unspeakable human misery, including the suffering of his own firstborn. Are you prepared to make that accusation?

Why yes, I would. If he had not created humans, they would not have suffered that misery.

And are you saying God had no idea his son would suffer here?
neologist
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 11:08 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:
. . . "While that was not his purpose or will, I think he knew very well that bad things would undoubtedly happen, and in the end would serve his purpose."
I wrote:
That would make God responsible for 6000+/- years of unspeakable human misery, including the suffering of his own firstborn. Are you prepared to make that accusation?
Leadfoot wrote:
Why yes, I would. If he had not created humans, they would not have suffered that misery.

And are you saying God had no idea his son would suffer here?
Think "free will."

BTW, another name for Satan is "The Accuser"
Johnjohnjohn
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 11:27 am
@neologist,
What about them?

They hold their passions and affections evenly, and they will be happy. They will get whatever the Lord set for them on this earth. On top of that, after Christ comes back they will inherit the new earth in Heaven. God set out a place for us with many gold mansions, streets made of gold, no more sorrow, all of your saved departed ones there waiting for you, every pleasure you experienced on Earth will be there except even greater . Your hearts desire will come true in heaven. The pleasures of life will be almost ungraspable.

And all you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior, ask forgiveness for your sins, and endure this hell of a life.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 23 Sep, 2015 12:36 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

izzythepush wrote:

Look at both occasions you've "shamelessly stolen" something from another forum. Have you printed an article? No, you've printed computer code. Ergo you've screwed up.

If you purposefully meant to post code, which is what you appear to be suggesting, you're an effing idiot.




If you get off thinking that...fine with me.

But as I said...mind the keyboard.

Anyway...the idea...the notion...was stolen. Sorry I did not steal it the way you wanted me to steal it. But on the good side, I did give you an opportunity for a good time.



This is what you meant to write was it?

Frank Apisa wrote:

Stolen shamelessly from another forum where I post:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/attachments/religion-and-politics/67190506d1442969615-pope-vs-gop-pope-right-jpg


Yet another day where we do not know if gods exist or not!


I have to say

http://www.debatepolitics.com/attachments/religion-and-politics/67190506d1442969615-pope-vs-gop-pope-right-jpg

hasn't really changed my life nor raised a wry smile.


You do have your problems. Glad you are so proud of them.
neologist
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 01:03 pm
@Johnjohnjohn,
Provide scriptural reference for a new earth in heaven.
onevoice
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 01:46 pm
@izzythepush,
It's OK. I didn't expect you would. It saddens me that you really have no concept of joy. I'm not happy all the time. Sure wish I could be though. I am no less human than anyone here. The only difference between me and some is I choose not to stay down. I get smacked in the forehead with grief, anger, fear, whatever I might stop and see stars for a minute... Or day, as in yesterday... Then I pull up my boot straps and start walking again. We can never grow as a person if we don't face opposition and learn how to overcome it. Everyone has it.

What I have is joy. Which is even better than happiness, if you ask me, because happiness is fleeting. I finally have peace in my heart about my life, and who I am. None of it has been even close to perfect. But I understand, finally, I am behind this steering wheel. Not the world, not the past, not people's opinions or thoughts of me... ME. No one can change that unless I allow them to. And I won't. What I post here is genuine, and from the heart. You don't have to believe that. It's perfectly OK Izzy, because what really matters is that I know. Smile
izzythepush
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 03:07 pm
@onevoice,
You don't know anything about me, what I know or what I feel. I'm not remotely interested in your over saccharined ideology. Why can't you accept that some people just don't want what you're selling?

There's something very ersatz about you, and I suspect your 'joy' is too.

I find it very sad that some people find the need to stick their noses where it's not wanted.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 23 Sep, 2015 03:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
You do have your problems.


Eyesight not being one of them.
onevoice
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 03:10 pm
@Smileyrius,
Quote:
I think the biggest problem with this is that bad things DO happen. Those who are suffering and who have had a belief in God would need a good enough reason as to why such a god would allow them to suffer if he had the power to stop it?


I didn't say bad things don't happen. I said God didn't purpose for those things to happen. Contrary to popular belief He is not some ego maniac, punishment happy, overbearing, beast sitting on a throne just waiting for us to fail, or get hurt to entertain Himself and laugh at us. Just like a parent doesn't purpose for their child to become a serial killer, or to be drinking and driving and kill themselves or someone else.

Does a parent have the power to stop their child's pain when they skin their knee? Things happen. Suffering happens, and can linger a very long time if we allow it to. But it doesn't have to. Suffering has a much greater purpose than people realize. Though God does not inflict us with it, or rejoice when it happens, the fact still remains that we live in an imperfect world with imperfect people who willingly and unwillingly hurt each other sometimes.

Quote:
The big question you then have to deal with is, If his purpose was never for bad things to happen to us, what was his purpose and why is it not accomplished?


His purpose is easy. To show us that it's not Him doing those things to us. We are doing them to each other and then blaming Him because He didn't stop it. His purpose is for us to come to know true love. The unconditional love of a Father, who created each and every one of us individually and for a purpose that life and suffering got in the way of somehow. His purpose... Is so much more than I could find words for, and none of it is bad. Why hasn't it been accomplished? Look around your world. See it for what it really is, and then you will understand.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Wed 23 Sep, 2015 03:17 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
You do have your problems.


Eyesight not being one of them.


Interesting.

But the problems do exist.

And I am glad you are so proud of them.
onevoice
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 03:21 pm
@izzythepush,
Your words speak louder than you want them too Izzy. I know nothing personal about you. Only what you choose to show here. Which may or may not be the real you. But your words speak a lot about what goes on in that head of yours. Just like mine speak about me. I am very much the same in person. Smile I am grateful for everyone who has stuck their nose in where I didn't want it. If they hadn't, I may not be here today. I may never have been able to see outside of myself. That is a lonely place to be.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 23 Sep, 2015 03:21 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank, I think you should count how many cushions are left before you start telling other people you have problems.

After you've done that you might want to ask yourself why you're incapable of losing an argument gracefully, and always resort to mud throwing.
Leadfoot
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 04:31 pm
@neologist,
Quote:

BTW, another name for Satan is "The Accuser"

I don't have to accuse him. He freely admitted it when he sent his son.

"I come not to bring peace, but a sword".
- J.C.
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 04:47 pm
@onevoice,
You can take your sanctimonious horseshit and stick it up your arse. I will take no lectures from you. You've got the creepy disposition of a cult member, and I find it all a bit nauseating.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Wed 23 Sep, 2015 05:16 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Frank, I think you should count how many cushions are left before you start telling other people you have problems.

After you've done that you might want to ask yourself why you're incapable of losing an argument gracefully, and always resort to mud throwing.


Actually, Izzy...I treat you with respect...and try to be friendly almost always.

You are the one who regularly gets into the gutter. You call people stupid, ignorant, and other pejoratives almost every day.

I do not.

You obviously have major problems...and it is equally obvious that you are proud of them.

My compliments on being proud of them.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 23 Sep, 2015 05:18 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

You can take your sanctimonious horseshit and stick it up your arse. I will take no lectures from you. You've got the creepy disposition of a cult member, and I find it all a bit nauseating.


Example of you being a boor to Onevoice for no good reason! Onevoice has never spoken to you with that much venom.

Get a grip, Izzy.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 23 Sep, 2015 05:38 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Any chance to get back up on your high horse.
fresco
 
  1  
Thu 24 Sep, 2015 12:08 am
@izzythepush,
More like a Shetland Pony ! Laughing

All together now
"If your're happy and you know it clap your hands......."👏
etc
izzythepush
 
  0  
Thu 24 Sep, 2015 01:00 am
@fresco,
O Lord Kum By Yar.
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 01:23 am
@Frank Apisa,
A quick recap. You failed to post a jpeg twice. I pointed it out the second time, saying you screwed up. As you've no sense of humour about yourself you went mental, just like you did that nonsense about your relationship with believe, denying what had happened and full of tu quoke.

Now if what you're trying to say is that you're too old and infirm to post jpegs properly and would like a pass then fair enough. I give people passes all the time, and your fast approaching decrepitude entitles you to one.

My issues are only issues by your standards, your blind guess as it were. And you're right, I'm quite happy being me, warts' all. I am rude to people, I do call them stupid, and when people post stupid, ignorant, racist, homophobic or islamophobic crap I will hold them to account.

I don't pretend to be anything else, if you don't like it you can always put me on ignore. Those people on A2K whose opinion actually matters to me don't have a problem with my style, or my opinions, so go ahead.

You're starting to sound a bit like Max, catty, snide and full of passive aggressive false civility. Your passive aggressive anal retention is something you're constantly in denial about. You can lie to yourself as much as you like, just don't expect anyone else to fall for it. You had to leave A2K to calm down because you got angry with everyone. Your new persona is buckling under the strain, you can't call anyone stupid because you'll end up calling everyone stupid. It's all or nothing with you.

I only call stupid people stupid, I know where to draw the line, and there is a line. You may not like where I've drawn it, but I don't really care about that. If you don't like it, you know what you can do.
 

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