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Punishment for living off the grid??

 
 
Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 01:41 am
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/unbelievable-this-military-veteran-is-being-sued-for-trespassing-on-his-own-land/
 
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 04:27 am
@gungasnake,
The city is really complaining about his trailer home which they say are not allowed within city limits. The public utility hookups are just an excuse being used by the city to help them push their agenda through. My guess would be that the trailer definition is not precise enough and they would have a hard time making it stick. So they came up with the water/electric utilities excuse to try to move him. He might be able to win this if he had the money to fight against it in court.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 07:35 am
@gungasnake,
This strikes me as one of those cases where this guy has a nosy neighbor who doesn't like the color of his truck or the pink flamingos in his yard or something, and the neighbor knows somebody on the city council ... and off it spirals.

If he really wants to fight back he should just sign up for city utilities and then not use them. That way he meets their requirements, doesn't have to pay for anything, and they lose their first wedge in the attack. Then they'll have to regroup and find another argument, and that will leave them open to public ridicule in the local media. Unless this guy is violating an actual ordinance, I bet he can win this.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 09:43 am
@rosborne979,
Most all cities or other municipalities have enforceable ordinances that require people to hook up to public water and sewage. (I hope the public health reasons are easily understood).
As far as electricity or cable tv, these arent as easily enforceable and self generated electricity MUST be hooked to the grid so that when power goes down, your "off the grid" power gets shut down also so that repirmen arent electrocuted by the power you are returning to the grid nd for which the power company must buy from you.

Weve gone partially solar PV with a hookup and a shut down relay for those times when all power is off due to storm or snow. It kind of screws with the whole reason to go off the grid( we needed a backup generator) but it makes some kind of weird sense.
As far as sewage and water, anyone who tries to go it alone when such services are reasonably available , are asking for trouble and sickness.(We define "reasonably available" as 300 feet from a nearest line to the BUILDING TO BE SERVICED (not, as is in Marylnd "300 feet to the edge of your proprty), which really can screw some farm steads.

When people just dump sewage into septic tnks , cesspools, and hve over used tile drains, this usually results in fetid pools of raw sewage in your backyard and then, if you have a well, you could see chunks of toilet paper in a glass of water.

I once accompanied a colleague who was consulted to provide a whole new water supply for a ruburb development that was about 3 miles from a town. About 75% of the sewage systems failed and (since this was a limestone area near Carlsisle Pa), peoples water systems showed clear signs of sewage in their drinking water. My friend dumped some different color plumbing dyes into the toilets of several houses and within 2 weeks, these dyes showed up in water systems.
One lady actually had water in which you could clearly see teeny chunks of toilet paper (limestone is very "channely" and actually does often hve "underground streams"
The result of this developments problems was to install a community water system that was eventually pid for and taken over by a large international water company , everyone benefited.

The woman hd to be told to STOP drinking her water (she hd several kids and a mother and husband who lived in the house with them)

Is this what we mean by "punishment for living off the grid??

Uually theres a big back story and a reson for insistance to "hook up".
I think were missing the back story
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 10:00 am
@farmerman,
http://www.waaytv.com/appnews/city-of-huntsville-speaking-out-about-vet-living-off-the/article_87bf7adc-14a2-11e5-af62-0785658010bd.html

Quote:
Kelly Schrimsher, Director of Communications in the Mayor’s office explains. "There are actually 2 separate issues: one is the zoning violation with the mobile home that is no longer allowed within the city limits, unless they are in a trailer park."


The second issue is health and safety violations that have occurred with Truitt’s electrical utilities and primarily the sanitary system.


Truitt showed WAAY 31 one of the citations which states his sanitary facilities are not operational. He says that’s because they use composting.


The problem, Schrimsher says, is not the environmental alternative, but that Truitt didn’t go through the permitting process which includes getting a variant.


Both parties will go to court July 29th regarding the unsafe structure citation. Truitt stands firm in his belief, his lifestyle is safe.


"There are benefits and compromises for citizens that choose to live in the city. They live here because they know their government is going to look out for the health and welfare,” said Schrimsher.


Truitt's property is in a flood plain, but if you're considering going green and potentially being debt-free, like Truitt, the city suggests you go to the community development office, building department, and planning department to make sure your building is up to code and you get permission.


composting as their sanitation system? inside a city?
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 10:04 am
@farmerman,
http://altoday.com/archives/3964-off-the-grid-veteran-tyler-truitt-gets-scorn-of-city-of-huntsville-but-support-of-many

Quote:
The city said Truitt would be free to live as off-the-grid as he wants out on unincorporated land in surrounding Madison County, but that where Truitt runs afoul of the law is his failure — or in his phrase, a conscious act of “civil disobedience” — to secure the proper permits and comply with city-limits building code.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 11:48 am
@ehBeth,
It appears that there is a back story. Admiration for someone going off grid is there, but only as long as it doesnt interfere with others rights to enjoy their own properties.Our rights arent EXCLUSIVE, they are COLLECTIVE
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2015 12:02 pm
@farmerman,
Living off the grid, inside a city. Definitely a different take on living off the grid.

Wants all the conveniences of being in a city, but without dealing with the responsibilities of living in a city.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2015 03:13 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Our rights arent EXCLUSIVE, they are COLLECTIVE.


Time for people to start recognizing that to be true.

I guess there is something appealing about "mountain men" who live off-grid...but there is a general welfare that has to be accommodated...and often this presumed personal freedom does just that.
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GorDie
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 10:47 pm
@gungasnake,
Well it is his own fault. You cannot like in a restaurant. or a business place. You cannot like in a parking lot. He should have known the bi-laws before he started up or started an argument.
This kinda **** only leads to anarchy. It is against the law. He was not unlawfully backed out. He is on 2 ACRES, only 2 acres of land, making a scene and is doing it like bum.
Making these kinds of scenes only help corrupt criminals who want to hide ****. DO not mess with living laws. We are already having enough problems maintaining the population without trying to give them more liberty to DO WHAT THEY WANT. that is the kind of **** that gets people KILLED in deep dark secret places.

I hope u were all against this.
imagine a city with 500 000 people, 100 000 of which are essentially homeless causing rape, drugs, and poverty seem practically normal. holy ****. It would be AFRICA. the apocalypse movies with poverty everywhere. Criminals running all aboot with no legal address or permanent residence to track how many people they robbed killed or fucked as they live off stole goods on a bum street black market.
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