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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 02:40 pm
That describes fascism very well indeed, what it doesn't do is describe the US even remotely, except in the fevered imagining of conspiracy theorists who will believe this line of thought regardless of what is happening in reality.

Latter-day brownshirts?
Citizens taken away?
Constitution being dismantled?
detriment to Individual civil liberties?
Propaganda?
Standing army?

Do you actually believe these talking points?
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 02:51 pm
Certainly.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 03:03 pm
Well, lookey here...Osama isn't really much of a threat after all! Jeepers. Doesn't really matter that he's uncaught then.


Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Osama bin Laden may not be the wealthy terror financier once believed.

Recent investigations into al-Qaida by the Sept. 11 commission and others have altered the once commonly held view that bin Laden's inheritance and massive fortune -- estimated at $300 million at one point -- were used to finance his operations. A network of businesses in Sudan, his base from 1991 to 1996, is also not thought to be backing al-Qaida.

``There has been a revision of collective thinking,'' said Kenneth Katzman, a Congressional Research Service expert who has studied terror groups. ``The new thinking is that bin Laden's fortune didn't really enter into al-Qaida that much or wasn't the driving force in al-Qaida.''


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Bin-Ladens-Wealth.html
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 03:11 pm
Hermann Goring wrote:
"Naturally the common people don't want war ... it is always a simple matter to drag the people along ... , whether it is a democracy, or ... , the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.


This view of the common people -- Hitler wrote of them in "Mein Kampf" as the "masses" -- is authoritarian coming from the Nazi Herman Goring. But is it authoritative coming from the Nazi Hermann Goring?

If you believe him, perhaps you're one of those "common people" long dead Hermann was talking about.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 03:26 pm
STATS ON WAR DEAD IN IRAQ

Maybe we will find out why tonight.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 03:36 pm
Why? Because Bush wanted to play king of the hill.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 03:41 pm
Quote:
"Naturally the common people don't want war ... it is always a simple matter to drag the people along ... , whether it is a democracy, or ... , the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.


Bush's handlers know from experience how true that is.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 03:52 pm
Actually, that quote, which i posted here recently, comes from Hermann Goering--i am unfamiliar with the individual to whom Ican refers, but can assure you that i have properly quoted Herr Goering.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 03:59 pm
McTag wrote:

The dictionary meaning of "liberal" is quite nice really.


Which definition of liberalism do you mean?

Classical liberalism? (e.g., Jeffersonian)
www.m-w.com
Quote:
Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party
- lib·er·al·ist /-b(&-)r&-list/ noun or adjective
- lib·er·al·is·tic /"li-b(&-)r&-'lis-tik/ adjective



Contemporary liberalism (e.g.,Castroian)?
www.m-w.com
Quote:
Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: 'sO-sh&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 04:01 pm
Setanta wrote:
Actually, that quote, which i posted here recently, comes from Hermann Goering--i am unfamiliar with the individual to whom Ican refers, but can assure you that i have properly quoted Herr Goering.



To be correct, Set, you quoted what was written by GM Gilbert as a quotation by Göring, I think :wink:
(The German text is on page 270 of Gilbert, G.M.: Nürnberger Tagebuch, Frankfurt, 1962)
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 04:07 pm
McTag wrote:
... That, my friend, is fascism.


That's fascism alright. And that is false propaganda alright. You appear to be a victim of the oft repeated lie alright.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 04:12 pm
Setanta wrote:
Actually, that quote, which i posted here recently, comes from Hermann Goering--i am unfamiliar with the individual to whom Ican refers, but can assure you that i have properly quoted Herr Goering.


www.m-w.com
One entry found for Goering.


Quote:
Main Entry: Goe·ring
Function: biographical name
var of Göring

:wink:
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 04:13 pm
If you use neither the variant, nor the umlaut, you leave yourself open to the criticism . . . the same can be said for your convenient use of diaresis in repeating the quote . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 04:15 pm
Walter, i "Snopes-ed" it to be sure before i posted it--either they do not present that salient point, or i missed it . . .
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 04:21 pm
Setanta wrote:
If you use neither the variant, nor the umlaut, you leave yourself open to the criticism . . . the same can be said for your convenient use of diaresis in repeating the quote . . .


Perhaps you meant:

www.m-w.com
Quote:
Main Entry: di·aer·e·sis
Pronunciation: dI-'er-&-s&s, British also -'ir-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural di·aer·e·ses /-"sEz/
Etymology: Late Latin diaeresis, from Greek diairesis, literally, division, from diairein to divide, from dia- + hairein to take
1 : a mark ¨ placed over a vowel to indicate that the vowel is pronounced in a separate syllable (as in naïve or Brontë) -- compare UMLAUT
2 : the break in a verse caused by the coincidence of the end of a foot with the end of a word
- di·ae·ret·ic /"dI-&-'re-tik/ adjective
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 04:47 pm
ican711nm wrote:
DRAFT OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE IRAQI PEOPLE

1. Establish a constitutional republic whose constitution is the supreme law of Iraq, and wherein each one of the Iraqi people are sovereigns over their own bodies.

--What an individual Iraqi puts in and/or takes out of his/her own body shall not be limited by Iraqi government.


Securing the sovereignty of the individual is critical to securing the liberty of the individual. Failure to secure the ownership of one's own body is tantamount to failure to secure the sovereignty and liberty of the individual.

Sure, many of us think poisoning oneself with various recreational drugs is stupid and ought not be done. But making such illegal and policing such activity does not stop such poisoning. It appears to me to actually promote it. It's also a very costly effort.

Sure, many of us think aborting the unborn is an evil practice and ought not be done. But making it illegal and policing such activity has not stopped such abortion. It merely makes aborting the unborn a more frequently fatal process for both the mother and the unborn child.

Want to curtail the use of recreational drugs? Use the persuasion of articulated facts. Want to curtail abortion, use the persuasion of articulated principles of right and wrong. In neither case, attempt to use the persuasion of law.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2004 06:09 am
Ican, why limit all this good stuff to Iraq?

We all should be able to share!

Meanwhile, read this: "Bush by Numbers: Four Years of Double Standards"

It's quite long, but it's instructive:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=557746
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2004 06:35 am
Interesting article thanks McTag

But its only interesting if you read it, and very few people will do that, so it doesnt matter.

Facts don't matter. Perceptions are everything. Bush is on record now as stating that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, and that the war on terror cannot be won, but that doesnt matter either.

It seems vast numbers of Americans willingly believe what they believe the President said or meant, even if he didn't.

I'm in no doubt we are in for four more years of this.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2004 06:39 am
Steve
Bite your tongue.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2004 06:45 am
AU

I dont want it...just that I can't see any way of avoiding it
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