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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2004 11:57 am
ican711nm wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
I don't know about Congress but in Britain there is no doubt that if Parliament had known in March last year what we all know now, Tony Blair would never have won the debate, there would have been no British participation in invading Iraq, and Blair would have been forced to resign.


Is that merely your factually and logically unsupported opinion, or do you have some facts and logic to support your "no doubt" claim?


Ican, I refer you to my earlier statement referring to you and using the word "ass".
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2004 12:07 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
... Lots of people think America has embarked on a programme of neo-imperialism. Any particular president might change emphasis but wont change the general thrust.

If Bush gets re elected, I think he'll engineer regime change in Iran. ...


Some members of the International Paranoia Collective (IPC) have asserted that the US should have invaded Iran instead of Iraq, while simultaneously accusing the US in general and President Bush in particular of imperialist motives. Shocked

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2004 12:26 pm
McTag wrote:
... My issue is not so much with the conduct of the war, but the duplicity over the reasons for starting it. ...

The problem from my point of view is the reaction of the Iraqi people to the occupation, and the inability of the occupying forces to properly police the country and bring about a viable peace.


Well, which is your issue/problem? "Reasons for starting it"? "Reaction of the Iraqi people"? "Inability of the occupying forces"?

The last two are "the problem from my point of view." Your issue with your perception of "duplicity over the reasons for starting it" automatically makes you a member of the IPC and a self-confessed SA.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2004 12:39 pm
Mark Leonard: The U.S. Heads Home: Will Europe Regret It?

A bit long overview but seems rather fair, by a Brit at the German Marshall Fund; appeared in the Financial Times. Has a nice mention of the
Metropolitan Club that readers might like.

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The US Heads Home: Will Europe Regret it? by Mark Leonard

HEADLINE: The US heads home: will Europe regret it? The assertive policy of
George W. Bush was supported by three factions that are now blaming each
other for the mess in Iraq. What went wrong with the 'Bush Revolution' - and
is the US on the verge of isolationism again? Mark Leonard's in-depth
investigation is based on 40 interviews with senior officials from every US
administration since Ford, as well as academics and think-tankers in
Washington, Dallas, Houston, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston and New
York.
BYLINE: By MARK LEONARD

Washington had been preparing for their airborne invasion for months. Every
17 years, the cicadas descend on the nation's capital like a biblical
plague. They hatch, crawl out of the ground, mate, lay eggs - and then
disappear for another 17 years. The Darwinian theorist, Stephen Jay Gould,
says their evolutionary strategy of appearing periodically with overwhelming
force and then retreating has allowed them to outwit their predators.

Observing them, a European in the imperial capital, I have come to regard
their lurch from activism to retrenchment as a metaphor for American foreign
policy. The French writer Raymond Aron - a rare intellectual of the right -
described American policy as a series of "swings between the crusading
spirit and a withdrawal into isolation far from a corrupt world that refused
to heed the American Gospel". Well, we've seen the orgy of activism: an
increase in military spending to match all of the rest of the world; the
bonfire of international treaties (Kyoto Accord, International Criminal
Court, Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty) and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The trinity of American military supremacy, unilateralism and pre- emptive
war was heralded as a "Bush Revolution" that would define an assertive
foreign policy for a generation. But now, just four years after the man was
elected, an insistent beat of comment says that America could be on the
verge of retrenchment, leaving its dream of an imperial foreign policy on
the streets of Falluja.

A few blocks from the White House, 150 people gather to mark the first
anniversary of the end of fighting in Iraq. It is a warm and sunny day in
May. The speaker is a thin-lipped, grey man, an unlikely revolutionary -
more John Major than Che Guevara. Douglas Feith, under-secretary of state
for policy (number three) at the Pentagon, is one of the key architects of
the Bush Revolution, a dogged, dependable ally of defence secretary Donald
Rumsfeld and vice-president Richard Cheney. The gathering is taking place at
1150 17th Street, a Silicon Valley for rightwing thinkers and home to the
American Enterprise Institute, the Weekly Standard and the Project for the
New American Century. Only a year ago the big joke making its way around the
building was, "Baghdad is for wimps, real men go to Tehran". But Feith isn't
here to lay out the next wave of intervention in the Middle East. Instead,
he sounds defensive: "I think no one can properly assert that the failure so
far to find Iraqi WMD stockpiles undermines the reasons for the war," he
says. He finds himself fielding questions about the need for United Nations
involvement, strategies to get allies on board, the treatment of prisoners
in Abu Ghraib and the lack of planning for the aftermath of war.

Outside, in the political whirlpool of Washington and in the world over
which he wishes to strengthen American hegemony, Feith knows that events are
not going his way. On Iraq, the administration has turned to the UN, with
President Bush and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice both doing the
rounds of European capitals asking for help. On Iran, it has tacitly
supported the European engagement strategy. And on North Korea they are
relying on multilateral six- party talks.

Part of the reason for this, says Joseph Nye, dean of the John F. Kennedy
School of Government at Harvard, is that the so-called Bush Revolution was
based not on a single view of the world but a marriage of convenience
between three schools of foreign policy, which for shorthand are linked to
historical figures: the founding secretary of the Treasury Alexander
Hamilton and presidents Andrew Jackson and Woodrow Wilson.

Nye, who coined the concept of "soft power" to describe the kind of
culture, political and technological influence he thinks America should be
projecting, says that the "revolutionary coalition" is unravelling: "There
really isn't a coherent Bush ideology but three strands of opinion competing
with each other. That's why the administration has been so divided. Look at
Bush's argument for intervening in Iraq. First there was WMD - which appeals
to traditional security people. Then the connection with 9/11 - which
appeals to assertive nationalists. And finally democratising the Middle East
- which appeals to the Wilsonians (the right-wingers so-called after
President Wilson)."

These groups, which stood together behind the invasion, are now falling
apart and blaming each other as the situation in Iraq unravels and the Bush
administration suffers in the polls. I decide to take an American journey,
to observe the process close up.

Dallas, Texas. Downtown, the gleaming skyscrapers huddle together as if to
draw strength from their numbers. All around this small copse of glass and
marble (adorned with logos including AT&T, KPMG, Fannie Mae) is an endless
sprawl of low-rise buildings that stretches as far as the eye can see - this
is big-sky country. The journalist Robert Bryce tells me that Texas is the
"front porch of the American psyche", explaining that Texas was a nation
before it was a state, and that "the Texas myth has become America's myth.
The Alamo, the Indian fighter, the cowboy, the oil man, the rough neck - all
of these have become American archetypes."

On a sleepy Sunday afternoon, I drive into a suburb not unlike the one that
George and Laura Bush chose as their home when they settled here in 1989 to
run the Texas Rangers baseball team. Making my way between the sprinklers,
palm trees, neo-classical columns, manicured lawns, fountains, stone
cladding and mock-Tudor thatched roofs, I realise that nothing is more than
10 years old - a symbol of growing Texan affluence and the demographic
explosion. In this idyllic neighbourhood of McMansions or Faux Chateaux (as
a non- Texan calls them) I find the stunning house of Jim Falk, the head of
the Dallas World Affairs Council, who has organised a barbecue to introduce
me to the pillars of the liberal and business establishment in the town that
George W. Bush thinks of as home. Sitting by the pool eating chicken and
chunky burgers laced with 15 different relishes, my fellow guests and I talk
about how the Bush coalition was formed.

Lynn Minna, an attorney who is also head of the Dallas Chamber of Commerce,
explains that, "Dallas is the home of the Baptist church. A lot of business
contacts are made in church. At the beginning of meetings of the chamber of
commerce, you need to hold your hands and pray." Bill McKenzie, a columnist
on the Dallas Morning News, tells me how Bush has tapped into this seam of
religiosity: "I remember interviewing Bush in 1997 about running for
president and he said, 'I don't mean to sound too Presbyterian about this,
but we are wrestling with whether this is what we are called to do. ' I
don't think he feels that God put him in the White House, but he does feel
he has a purpose: to defeat terrorism."

John Stephenson, who is the head of a Dallas law firm and an active member
of the Dallas World Affairs Council, tells me I should remember that
"foreign policy down here means Mexico". Bush came to the office even less
prepared on the world's issues and problems than that other southern
governor, Bill Clinton. But knowledge isn't the point. The consensus among
the guests is that it's Bush's way of doing business that's important. If
you know that, you can see the shape of his policies as president.

First, he's willing to spend political capital. In February this year,
journalist Paul Burka wrote in Texas Monthly that "once Bush decides to take
a bite of the apple, it's going to be the biggest chunk he can sink his
teeth into. The argument that the status quo in the Islamic world would not
change unless America did something to change it would have appealed to him.
Of all the reasons to oust Saddam, the boldest was to change the paradigm."

The second thing that everybody agrees on is his ability to focus on a
single strategic priority to the exclusion of almost everything else. "As
governor, Bush had an intense focus, he used to say 'when everything is a
priority nothing is a priority.' When he zeroes in on something he does it
to the exclusion of (almost everything)," says McKenzie. "I can only assume
that he is focusing on stopping another 9/11 like a laser - and that
includes pre- emptive strikes. And if the Europeans don't get it," he says,
smiling sweetly at me, "that's just too bad."

The third poolside topic was Bush's impatience with institutions and laws.
Bush has a small-businessman's attitude towards legislation and
institutions: they are things to be worked around, and are rarely seen as
the solution to any problem. "I think Bush is more entrepreneurial and the
EU more statist, more process- driven. For better or worse Bush is
intuitive, like a lot of entrepreneurs. He gets an idea and then it is:
'Let's go!' You probably couldn't find two more distinct approaches than
Bush the wild catter and the European bureaucrat," says McKenzie.

One thing his Texas friends don't understand is what happened to Governor
Bush. My fellow barbecue guests say that the single distinguishing feature
of Bush as governor was his capacity to reach out across political
boundaries. Burka in Texas Monthly wrote that "he had all the qualities of a
great governor. He was a uniter, not a divider - a centrist who fought the
extremists in his own party. I would never have imagined that the person I
knew would have been characterised in a Time cover story as the 'Great
Polariser.'" Many people were shocked to see that he has become such a
polarising figure, and one apparently careless of some of his conservative
base's concerns. Chip Pitts, a corporate lawyer, said: "A lot of
conservative Republicans do care about deficits. Then you add in the Gulf
War. "

Chicago, Illinois. The elite in the Windy City share the view of foreign
policy proposed by Alexander Hamilton, the founding secretary of the
Treasury under George Washington. A New Yorker, he saw the world as a
marketplace, in which foreign policy's main purpose was to enhance America's
share of it. The Chicagoan corporate leaders are conservatives - nothing neo
about them - who do not believe that human nature is essentially benign (or
can be improved). The mark of their foreign policy is stability, and their
most senior representative in the current administration is secretary of
state Colin Powell.

In the wake of 9/11, Powell was at the heart of attempts to build a
coalition for the invasion of Afghanistan and he played a central role in
attempts to get UN backing for the war on Iraq. But he was also careful to
distance himself from the zeal of his more assertive colleagues. I spoke in
Chicago to Edward Djerejian, a former US ambassador to Syria and Israel, who
is very close to Powell. "The war in Iraq," he said, "will be debated in
terms of whether it is a war of choice or necessity. There is no doubt that
the Pentagon has taken the leadership over the reconstruction of Iraq. The
responsibility should have been shared with the state department which would
have avoided some of the mistakes that were made. But these voices were not
heard. I feel very strongly that these people (civilian leadership in the
Pentagon) just did not understand the political, economic and cultural
situation on the ground."

Richard Lugar, the senator for the neighbouring state of Indiana, is one of
the long-serving Republican foreign policy leaders and is acting chair of
the Senate foreign relations committee. He spoke for many when he said in a
recent speech: "To win the war against terrorism, the US must assign US
economic and diplomatic capabilities the same strategic priority that we
assign to military capabilities. We have relied heavily on military options
and unilateral approaches that weakened our alliances."

The head of the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations, Marshall Bouton,
tells me that "Midwesterners don't care much for revolutions. The Midwest is
like the fulcrum of the US body politic. The coasts go up and down but the
Midwest tends towards centrist pragmatism."

In the run-up to the election, Condoleezza Rice - at that stage a member of
the Bush campaign team - wrote a famous piece for Foreign Affairs that
captured the Chicagoan creed: "Foreign policy in a Republican administration
will proceed from the firm ground of the national interest, not from the
interests of an illusory international community. America can exercise power
without arrogance and pursue its interests without hectoring and bluster."
Few policy statements have been so comprehensively destroyed by their
author.

And the about-face was not restricted to Rice. John Mearsheimer, professor
of political science at the University of Chicago, explains: "If you look at
Cheney's statements about why the US didn't invade Baghdad in 1991 he sounds
exactly like those who opposed the recent war in Iraq. There is no question
that he has undergone a profound change in world view since then."

One of the differences between these conservatives and the neo-cons is a
dramatically different evaluation of US power. Mearsheimer takes umbrage at
the description of the US by neo-conservatives as an "empire". He even says
the term "hegemon" is an overstatement. "The US is a hegemon in the western
hemisphere but when you get out of the western hemisphere it is a more
complicated world."

The Chicago Council on Foreign Relations says the tide of opinion among the
business community is turning. "A lot of people went along for the ride
because they trusted Bush," says director of studies Christopher Whitney.
"Some of that has been eroded. I think the revolution is over unless Bush is
suicidal." Bouton says some of the council's most popular speakers have been
anti-Bush: "We had the largest turn-out for a single event with George Soros
- 1,600 people came to hear him attack Bush's foreign policy."

The allies of Colin Powell are certainly feeling emboldened. One of his
closest friends, speaking off the record, is jubilant: "One of the things
that is clear is that the sun has set on the neo- conservatives. The
Cheney-Rumsfeld-Feith group no longer has any tailwind. The realists or
pragmatists led by Powell are reasserting themselves."

The Metropolitan Club, Washington DC. It is as if a piece of London's
clubland in Pall Mall - complete with shabby leather armchairs and a
billiard room - has been implanted in the heart of America's capital. This
gentlemen's club, a block away from the White House, is a favourite haunt
for neo-conservatives. They will often be found in the bar drinking Martinis
and comparing notes about political developments. Joshua Muravchik of the
American Enterprise Institute explained who they are in "The Neo-
Conservative Cabal", a 2003 article in Commentary magazine, by pointing to
their heroes: Henry "Scoop" Jackson (a Washington state senator), Ronald
Reagan and Winston Churchill. "All three believed in confronting democracy's
enemies early and far from home shores; and all three were paragons of
ideological warfare."

Ironically, most of those who call themselves neo-conservative were opposed
to Bush in the Republican primaries. They preferred John McCain, who remains
their ideological soulmate. (As Craig Kennedy, president of the German
Marshall Fund, points out, it is a further irony that the people most
opposed to Bush's neo-conservatism wanted Democratic presidential candidate
John Kerry to pick McCain as a running mate.) Their main difference with the
traditional conservatives is their willingness to see American power used to
advance political goals. They were, for example, in favour of action in
Kosovo when President Clinton was under constant attack from traditional
conservatives in Congress. Second, they believe in the pro-active promotion
of democracy and want to bring about the political transformation of the
Middle East. This is what has led them to be described as the Wilsonians of
the right, after the president who believed in "making the world safe for
democracy".

They do not, though, share all of Wilson's beliefs: "To the extent that
neo-conservatives are Wilsonians," says Francis Fukuyama, professor of
international political economy at Johns Hopkins University, "it is
Wilsonianism minus international institutions such as the UN. This is
because of their belief in the fundamental illegitimacy of the UN and
related bodies, due in the first instance to their undemocratic character,
but based also on the way they have treated Israel and the Middle East
conflict."

Within the administration, deputy secretary of defence Paul Wolfowitz is
usually identified as the key actor, together with under-secretaries of
state Douglas Feith and John Bolton, National Security Council staff member
Elliott Abrams and Dick Cheney's chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. This
is a very small proportion of the leading players, but the neo-conservative
influence comes not from their position at the apex of the administration,
but the power of their ideas, which offered an explanation for 9/11 and a
bold prospectus for the future.

A senior administration official, speaking under the condition of
anonymity, argues that the president's embrace of Wilsonianism has increased
the gulf between the US and Europe. "Europe is like America before world war
one: an 'it's not our problem' continent. They are a 'status-quo, don't
change anything, so what if there is no freedom, so what if there is no
human rights, so what if there is torture' continent. So long as we can do a
trade deal most Europeans are satisfied. Americans cannot accept this. That
status quo is producing toxic threats. There is some short-term surgery we
need to do, and then we can focus on the long-term."

One evening at the Metropolitan Club, a couple of weeks after Spanish prime
minister Jose Maria Aznar was defeated in the elections, I met one of his
senior advisers and a group of young neo-cons. Aznar's adviser is still in a
state of shock. His party has paid the ultimate price for its links with the
Bush administration. He had been planning to come to Washington to discuss
how Aznar, as the successful former prime minister of a victorious party,
could come out to help in the Bush campaign. Now he fears that no one will
want to be seen with a loser. But the discussion is practical and to the
point. The neo-cons show their support; they are not fair-weather friends,
they say, and offer their help - ideas for universities and think-tanks
where Aznar could be based, speaking agencies, foundations. In a town where
politics is a revolving door, they have plenty of experience in
rehabilitating former politicians.

In many ways they are a deeply attractive group. They are highly
intelligent, idealistic and loyal to each other and to those who take their
side. They tend to be extremely well informed about the areas they are
interested in and they use their knowledge to good effect. They are not
creatures of fashion and will toil away on territorial disputes in countries
such as Georgia or Moldova that have dipped out of the limelight. There is a
studied modesty about their significance in the American political system
that is married to a dogged devotion to the causes they espouse.

And, as the situation in Iraq lurches from crisis to crisis, they are quick
to point the finger at other factions in the administration. Some, like the
neo-con thinker Max Boot, have called for Rumsfeld to resign. Others have
tried to pin the blame on Powell. At a recent seminar, former policy adviser
and now columnist Robert Kagan said: "If the secretary of state had spent as
much time speaking to allies as he did talking to (writer) Bob Woodward, we
might have had some support on the ground." In a stinging article in The
Washington Post last month, Kagan hit out at the whole administration: "All
but the most blindly devoted Bush supporters can see that Bush
administration officials have no clue about what to do in Iraq tomorrow,
much less a month from now. The Bush administration is evidently in a panic,
and this panic is being conveyed to the American people."

Hoover Institution, Stanford, California. On a cool, cloudy morning in the
spring of 1998, Texas governor George W. Bush travelled through Silicon
Valley to the Stanford campus for an introduction to foreign policy. The
master of ceremonies was George Schultz, Reagan's hawkish secretary of
state, who had brought together half a dozen of his colleagues from the
conservative Hoover Institution at the university (including Rice, then the
Stanford provost). As he sat chewing the fat with these professors, Bush had
still not formally announced his intention to run. The conversation
meandered from one topic to another and, gradually, this group of foreign-
policy hawks, who had been close to Reagan, discovered that they were
growing to like the young Bush.

Many of these thinkers had as much belief in power as the neo-cons, but a
less idealistic view of human nature. They have been labelled "assertive" or
"Jacksonian" nationalists after Andrew Jackson, the seventh president of the
US. Jacksonians have consistently supported spending for defence and have
never been reluctant to use weapons once purchased. Yet their aim is to
enhance American power, not to save the world.

Robin West, an oil man and former assistant secretary of interior in the
Reagan administration, explains: "Cheney and Rumsfeld are different from the
neo-cons. They have a lot of experience. Their attitude is that these are
problems that have to be dealt with. If not now, when? If not by us, then by
whom?"

In the Ford administration in 1975, Rumsfeld and Cheney led the offensive
against secretary of state Henry Kissinger's policy of detente towards the
Soviet Union - which they believed undersold American power. Morton
Abramowitz, who served in the Pentagon at the time, is quoted as saying "I
remember vividly (Rumsfeld) beat the pants off Kissinger."

This history of hawkishness is confirmed by a very senior former official
who looks back to the debates in the first Bush administration. "I think
Cheney in the first Bush administration was the odd man out on Iraq," he
says. "He wanted to go into Baghdad but was surrounded by George Bush Snr as
president, General Powell as chairman of the joint chiefs, Brent Scowcroft
as national security adviser and James Baker as secretary of state. I'm not
as surprised by his subsequent behaviour as some."

James Lindsay, an analyst at the Council of Foreign Relations who served on
Clinton's National Security Council, explains the difference between the
Jacksonian and the Wilsonian strands of hawkish thinking: "If you want to
understand what they believe in, look at what they do, not what they say.
Within a year of the invasion of Afghanistan they introduced a budget with
zero dollars for rebuilding Afghanistan. If they were interested in
democracy they would have done it in Haiti."

Although Jacksonians believe that international institutions can be more of
a burden than a benefit, and that an America unbound will be better able to
defend itself from terrorism, they are pragmatic enough to be willing to use
institutions when it serves their purposes. "The administration does not say
it will not work with others, but it has strong preferences about how to
work with others," says Lindsay. "First, it prefers coalitions of the
willing to international institutions or permanent alliances. Second, it
will go to international institutions, but it does so out of pragmatism to
achieve a particular goal rather than out of principle - it is
'multilateralism a la carte'."

What distinguishes the Jacksonians is their belief in the extent of
American power, and their optimism about its impact in securing US
objectives. Stephen Krasner, a professor at the Hoover Institution and a
close colleague of Rice, says the US has had the most successful foreign
policy of any country ever. "Vietnam is the only major blip. The French have
not won a war since Napoleon. The Germans have had a catastrophic foreign
policy. This means that neither country is in a position to have great
confidence in foreign-policy projects." But, after the cold war, the
Jacksonians have been concerned to maintain US power in the face of
terrorism and rogue states. "What's new is that there is a disconnect
between underlying levels of power (gross domestic product, military power)
and the ability to create massive disruption. A country such as North Korea
with less than 1 per cent of the GDP of America, or a terrorist group, can
create a strategic challenge killing hundreds of thousands or even millions
with a conventional or dirty nuclear weapon," says Krasner.

The Iraq war was a central plank of a new strategy of asserting American
power in this unstable world. However, instead of broadcasting American
power to the world, as the Jacksonians had hoped, the intervention has
simply shown its limits by getting 130,000 US soldiers bogged down in a
quagmire from which they cannot escape. The goal of this group was to keep
the troop commitments down to the lowest level possible - which put them on
a collision course with the Wilsonians, whose central goal was to build a
democracy.

"Iraq looks extremely bad now and, unless the administration can make it
look plausible, there will be very little appetite for military
intervention," says Krasner. "The single big question is, 'will we be able
to make Iraq work?' and if that isn't possible, then you will not see
decisive interventions in areas where there is any ambiguity. You will only
see intervention where there is a clear threat."

Fareed Zakaria, editor of Newsweek International, argues that because of
the central tension between the Jacksonians and the Wilsonians the Bush
coalition has unravelled. "The neo-conservative agenda was a policy which
required a huge commitment of resources. The Jacksonian agenda was about
going in and coming out. In an odd way you got transformation on the cheap.
That meant that you got not an imperial foreign policy, but a failed
imperial foreign policy." Instead of concentrating their fire on their
Democratic opponents, the different groups in the administration seem to be
trying to pin the blame for Iraq on each other - and one of the keys to
understanding the durability of the revolution will be found in the result
of those arguments. But perhaps the real answer to whether the Bush
Revolution will continue lies in how far it has influenced his opponent.

The Rialto Restaurant, Cambridge, Massachusetts. This is Kerry country - on
the fringes of the Harvard campus, this restaurant is a magnet for political
thinkers and doers. A government-in-waiting is assembling. Dinner is hosted
by Nick Mitropoulis, the veteran Democrat organiser who was a senior aide to
presidential hopeful Michael Dukakis. The restaurant's celebrity chef, Jody
Adams, explains that her menu combines the best of local Boston food with
European influences. Is this another metaphor, like the cicadas, for a
future Kerry administration? Or does it signify that the pro- active,
interventionist, pre-emptive stance that Bush took is now common currency
between Republicans and Democrats?

It's a question troubling many of these Democrats as they think through a
return to power. Bill Antholis, director of studies at the German Marshall
Fund who served on Clinton's National Security Council, sets out the central
dilemma: "The question that is really bubbling away among Democrats is,
'just how different will we be able to be?'" Antholis's conundrum has two
components: the substance of policy and the style of diplomacy.

Kerry's campaign has not challenged any of the fundamental principles
behind the substance of US foreign policy. He has said frequently that he
wants to make sure that America maintains its military superiority; he has
echoed Bush's boast that he will not ask for "a permission slip" from
America's allies to protect its security; and he has been forthright in his
determination to carry on the war on terror. Graham Allison, professor of
government at Harvard who served as assistant secretary of defence in the
Clinton administration, agrees that a Kerry presidency coming in after 9/11
would necessarily share many of the features of Bush's foreign policy.
"Transatlantic tensions will get much worse whoever wins. The structural
factors are negative: no common enemy; military competence on one side but
not the other. Terrorism will divide more than it unites. Terrorists have
discovered that telling people 'stick with the Americans and you'll be a
target, keep your distance and you'll be fine' is powerfully persuasive."

Strobe Talbott, president of The Brookings Institution and former deputy to
Madeleine Albright, secretary of state in the Clinton administration, argues
that after 9/11 Democrats shared the Republicans' fears of terrorism and
weapons of mass destruction. "The Bush administration was right to identify
Iraq as a major problem. A President Gore or McCain or Bradley would have
ratcheted up the pressure, and sooner or later resorted to force."

Tony Blinken, the Democratic director of foreign policy at the Senate,
agrees: "There would be substantively very little difference between a Bush
and Kerry administration. There would be stylistic differences. I don't
think Europeans should be under the illusion that there would be a
substantive difference."

Just how different will the style be? Larry Summers, president of Harvard
University and former treasury secretary in the Clinton administration,
argues that the problems for the transatlantic relationship go beyond
perceptions of threat to structural changes that started with the end of the
cold war. "We have a problem of malign intent in Europe (a strategy of
containing the US) and malign neglect in the US (a failure to consult)," he
says.

Even under the Clinton administration, allies were not dealt with as
equals. The model was to talk to everybody, make a decision on behalf of
everybody - and then expect them to follow American leadership. Phil Gordon,
who served on the National Security Council as director of European affairs
under Clinton, says Clinton changed over time. "We came in talking about
'assertive multilateralism' and ended talking about the 'indispensable
nation'."

This seems to suggest that the transatlantic tensions are like a Russian
doll, with different layers of alienation piled on top of each other. Even
if you remove the outer coating of the Bush Revolution, you will simply
reveal another layer of tension caused by differing threat perceptions after
9/11. This in turn conceals the shift from a "great power" foreign policy to
a "hegemonic one" that came with the end of the cold war. Finally, in the
centre, you have the core difference between European and American societies
on the role of government, religion and the use of force. These differences
mean that a change of president will not change the underlying dynamics -
even if the differences in style go a long way to removing the bad blood of
the past year.

Although most people agree that the Bush Revolution has reached its
high-water mark, they also agree that its central components could live on
whoever wins the election in November. The grand strategist and historian,
John Lewis Gaddis, argues that this is because the "Bush Revolution" was in
fact no revolution at all. "Pre-emption, prevention and unilateralism are
not new, but date back to the first homeland security attack on Washington
in 1814." Bush differed, and was revolutionary not because he was the first
to have this vision but because he was the first man in the office who found
himself with both the desire and the opportunity - after 9/11 - to implement
this vision. And now he is finding that America lacks both the domestic will
and the international support to pull it off. New research by the
Texas-based political scientist, Richard Stoll, shows that Bush's ratings on
Iraq go down one point for every 30 American casualties.

This explains an emerging consensus that, having been through a period of
Wilsonianism, America is about to retreat into isolationism. It will not be
the isolationism of the past because America's economy is too globalised and
the country maintains troops in 130 countries around the world. Instead, it
will see a less ambitious foreign policy, focused on homeland defence and
dealing with threats rather than with spreading democracy.

The new multilateralism that is emerging is a sign of this. It is not a
multilateralism of conviction, but a new strand of isolationism for an
inter-dependent age. The new motto of the administration could be seen as a
shift from "multilateral if possible, unilateral if necessary" under
Clinton, to "unilateral if we care about it, multilateral if we don't". On
Iraq, Iran and North Korea, multilateralism is not driven by a desire to get
things done but by a desire to get out. It is seen as a geo- political pause
button, a way for America to regroup its political authority and rebuild its
military resources.

The Europeans may have the moral high ground for now, but they should be
careful what they wish for: this new humility in Washington may not be what
they really want. Stanley Hoffman, European studies professor at Harvard
University and a tireless critic of Bush's policies, is very worried about
the lessons that will be drawn from the failure in Iraq. "What I am
sometimes afraid of is that many people who supported him and are now
disillusioned could become isolationist: we should stop nation building,
stop fighting wars. We haven't got much from our allies - let them clear up
the mess." Michael Ignatieff, Carr professor for human rights policy at
Harvard University, goes even further: "This is not a country of fervent,
crusading imperialists. The extraordinary thing is the self-sufficiency of
the country. The big fact about liberal interventionism in the 1990s was
that it depended on American power and on the assumption that we could do it
with impunity. Now we are back to Black Hawk Down days. It's so bad in Iraq
that it has made the case for liberal interventionism impossible."

If they are right, the future for transatlantic relations is bleak. The
core feature of American foreign policy that Europeans dislike (hegemonic
leadership rather than a partnership of equals) will continue, while the
benefits they draw from the transatlantic relationship (engagement to solve
global problems) may not.

As Andrew Moravcsik, professor of government at Harvard, argues: "While
Europeans focus on avoiding the next Iraq, they might find it is a Kosovo
and that they want America to intervene." If the US gets a really bloody
nose in Iraq, they might not want to step in. It is a strange thing to imagine now, but Europeans may yet long for the activism of the "Bush
Revolution".


Mark Leonard, the director of the UK Foreign Policy Centre, is on a fellowship at the German Marshall Fund of the US in Washington DC. He writes in a personal capacity.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2004 02:46 pm
From the Associated Press








Iraq Evicts Reporters From Najaf

Sunday August 15, 2004 6:01 PM


AP Photo BAG121

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraqi police ordered all journalists to leave the holy city of Najaf on Sunday, just as a new U.S. offensive against militants hiding out in a revered shrine there began.

Four police cars surrounded a hotel in the city where journalists were staying and presented the order signed by Najaf's police chief, Brig. Ghalib al-Jazaari.

Though the order did not spell out a punishment for those who did not comply, the police who delivered it said any reporters remaining would be arrested, according to journalists at the hotel. The police said any cameras and cellular phones they saw would be confiscated. In response to the threat, many journalists left the city.

The order would mean that the only news coverage of the ongoing violence in Najaf, one of the most revered cities to Shiite Muslims, would be provided by reporters embedded with the U.S. military.

The U.S. military had no immediate comment.

The order also said that all cars coming into the city would be searched and all protesters must leave the city.

Earlier Sunday, police had advised reporters to leave Najaf, saying there was rumor of a potential car bombing targeting journalists. When most reporters stayed, the police returned with the order to leave.

Concerns about the interim government's commitment to freedom of the press were sparked Aug. 7 when officials order the Baghdad office of the pan-Arab television station Al-Jazeera closed.

A constitution endorsed by the members of Iraq's now disbanded Governing Council in March includes protections for freedom of speech.
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Kara
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2004 08:02 pm
Quote:
Indeed no matter who is elected there will be no change in our policy regarding Iraq. How could there be? Bush has locked us in and retreat is not possible. We broke it and now we are obligated to fix it. However, we may be able to repair some of the damage that Bush did on the diplomatic front. Bush in his arrogance ....has turned our former allies to if not enemies at least uninterested observers. And I suspect in some way hoping we get our fingers sorely burnt.


au, this is spot on. We may be able to re-form old alliances and learn from wisdoms we have known and forgotten. But this will be long range and slow to have an effect world wide.

I was perhaps naive in thinking that a new presidency could change the administration in an elemental way. We are a giant ship whose engines are on full-speed-ahead. We cannot reverse course; we can only shut down the engines. This would bring us to full idle, a course that might not work in today's world.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 05:11 am
Informed Comment

Thoughts on the Middle East, History, and Religion

Juan Cole is Professor of History at the University of Michigan

Monday, August 16, 2004

WaPo and NYT Duel on Sigificance of National Congress

One of the wonderful things about the internet is that it is easier than ever to see lots of news reports on the same event and to get a sense of the different angles that reporters work in reporting them.

There is a night and day difference between how John Burns of the New York Times reports the national congress held Sunday and the version given us of that event by Rajiv Candrasekaran of the Washington Post.

Burns's says that the convention was a mess, disrupted by repeated mortar fire and by angry delegates who stormed the stage to denounce the Allawi government and demand it cease military operations in Najaf. One senses that Burns himself, who does not suffer fools gladly, may have almost gotten caught by the incoming mortars and perhaps was not in a good mood as a result. His angle on the story is that the disruptions faced by the convention mirror the other failures of the US in Iraq, including the failure, despite repeated attempts, to root out the Sadr movement.

Candrasekaran presents an almost panglossian story of the triumph of democracy-- noisy, disruptive, but still triumphant. He reports that the delegates said they had secured from Allawi a promise to suspend military action until further negotiations could take place, and he seems even to believe that Allawi gave such an undertaking and would abide by it! He also reports that the almost 1200 delegates will select 81 representatives, and that 19 seats had been awarded to the Interim Governing Council members originally appointed by Paul Bremer.

He does not note that originally, 20 seats were to be appointive. I take it that Ahmad Chalabi's has fallen vacant because he is under a legal cloud. Why don't we deserve to be told this? And, doesn't anyone but me object to 19 seats being set aside for American appointees who were never elected by anyone?

Al-Jazeerah says that 100 Shiites out of the 1200 angrily resigned because of the US miltiary operations in Najaf. Neither of the American reports mention any resignations. Al-Hayat clears up the mystery, reporting that about 100 delegates walked out of the first session in protest, but came back to attend the second session.

I think Burns's story more accurately reflects the Iraqi reality. I don't think the conference is any significant check on the executive, as Candrasekaran argues it is. Allawi will do as he pleases and ignore this weak Duma. The conference had to be held almost furtively for fear it would be blown up, and it almost was anyway. Many of Iraq's major cities are being bombed semi-regularly by the US Air Force-- Fallujah, Samarra, Kut, Najaf, etc.

The reports on CNN suggest that Allawi is on the verge of sending Iraqi troops into the Shrine of Ali in Najaf, despite any pledges he gave the delegates.

Note, too, that CNN's headline news reported repeatedly on Sunday afternoon and evening that the Mahdi Army fighters holed up in the shrine of Ali were "foreign fighters." This allegation is Allawi's propaganda, and simply untrue. The Mahdi Army are Iraqi Shiite ghetto youth. They are not foreigners. There may be a sprinkling of Iranian volunteers among them, but the number is tiny.

Likewise, CNN appears to have been the victim of a second-hand psy-ops campaign, insofar as it is referring to the guerrillas as "anti-Iraqi forces." The idea of characterizing them not as anti-American or anti-regime but "anti-Iraq" was, according to journalist Nir Rosen, come up with by a PR company contracting in Iraq. Nir says that they were told that no Iraqis would fall for it. So apparently it has now been retailed to major American news programs, on the theory that the American public is congenitally stupid.

The American public has no idea how bad it is in Iraq because it gets lots of contradictory reports and has no way of wading through or evaluating them. On the evidence of Sunday, I'd advise them to keep their eyes on what John Burns says. He is a veteran war correspondent with his eyes open. If he thinks things in Iraq are bad, they likely are.

Meanwhile, on Monday morning US warplanes and tanks attacked targets in Najaf again, and warplanes bombed Fallujah, causing several deaths. The Allawi government forced all independent journalists to leave Najaf on Sunday, so that the only reporting we will have on operations there will come from journalists embedded with the US forces.

posted by Juan @ 8/16/2004 06:03:44 AM
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 05:29 am
I suspect that what the Shrub's Forty Thieves hope for is a sufficiently rosey picture bought hook, line and sinker by the American public to prevent regime change in November. Playing cowboy around the shrine of Ali, greatest of Islamic Holy Warriors, cousin and son-in-law of the Prophet, fourth of the Five Orthodox Caliphs, and founder of Shi'ism, is playing with fire indeed. If this all goes bust, we won't get our fingers burned--we'll be scorched badly for years to come.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 05:39 am
Right you are Set .... read on

Bookmark


Good links.
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 06:46 am
Regarding the fighting in the holy cities. The question becomes can a rebel force or army if you will be allowed to exist and control several large cities. In effect they are conducting their own civil war. The ploy of hiding behind their shrines seems to be old hat with them. We can shoot at you but you must not shoot back for fear of damaging our holy places. The Mahdi army cannot be allowed to exist if peace is to be restored in Iraq. And Sadr with his on again off again truces cannot be tolerated. Either he joins with the rest of the Iraqi's in forming and maintaining a peaceful government or he should be eliminated. The gloves IMO should be off all the way off.
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Chuckster
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 07:17 am
Crimes of ommission are crimes. This self-important opinion leaves out a significant fact: Few of the criminals in Sadr's "ARMY" are Iraqis. This band of criminals are terrorists from Iran, Syria, Lebanon and from throughout the world. They are funded and supported by Saudi Arabia as well as the other nation states.
The entire picture changes dramatically.
Using their carefully crafted propaganda terms to refer to them as "the Mahdi army" and a "rebel force" aids and abets their cause in major, substantial and deliberate ways...that this author knows fully well.
This may be countered by claims of nitpicking. Don't be fooled. This guy is working for Sadr.
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 07:32 am
Chuckster

Quote:
Few of the criminals in Sadr's "ARMY" are Iraqis. This band of criminals are terrorists from Iran, Syria, Lebanon and from throughout the world. They are funded and supported by Saudi Arabia as well as the other nation states.


And you know this as fact? How?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 08:50 am
Interestingly, Au, in a news report by the BBC on NPR this morning, the correspondent stated that those who criticize Allawi's government say Allawi has made the case the Sadr's supporters are foreigners in order to discredit him. This correspondent says he is told by many Shi'ites in Iraq that although there may be a few Persian volunteers with Sadr, the majority are impoverished Shi'ites from the Sadr City slums of Baghdad.
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au1929
 
  1  
Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 09:04 am
Bush's foreign policy 
SAG HARBOR, New York Senator John Kerry has not been successful so far in articulating answers to questions about whether and how the United States should go to war. But he will be guided by this draft of military application policy:.
"The United States should not commit its forces to military action overseas unless the cause is vital to our national interest. If the decision is made to commit its forces to combat abroad, it must be done with clear intent and support to win. There must be clearly defined and realistic objectives. There must be reasonable assurance that the cause we are fighting for will have the support of the American people and Congress. ... Our troops should be committed to combat abroad only as a last resort, when no other choice is available.".
The author of those words, slightly paraphrased here, is not working in the Kerry campaign. Those are the words of President Ronald Reagan, condensing the thoughts of his Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger, whose original version, part of a speech he made in late 1984, included the phrase "or of our allies" after "vital national interest.".
So what are we Americans doing in Najaf? Is killing the followers of a nasty Shiite preacher, killing them at the gates of the most holy shrine of Shiite Muslims all over the world, vital to the national interests of the United States and its allies?.
And why is it that we are killing Shiites, the wretched of the earth in the secular Sunni Muslim country of Saddam Hussein? That is the same Saddam who murdered the father of the preacher five years ago. Was that our clear intent and realistic objective in invading Iraq? Would the American people and Congress - and our allies - have supported a $200 billion war to get a preacher, Moktada al-Sadr?.
And was invasion our last resort? Even the war-maker himself, President George W. Bush, never claimed that. In the beginning, he said, it was the last resort because the United Nations had pushed hard enough to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. When there were no such weapons, he said Saddam was a very bad guy. That was true - and it was true 20 years ago when we were supplying him with weapons to use against Iran. But was he a great enough threat to go to war ourselves? Was killing Iraqis after the war our last resort?.
"I know what I'm doing when it comes to winning this war," said Bush last Wednesday. That's good to hear. What exactly are you doing in Najaf? Killing bad guys, I guess. If that is the criteria for putting the Marines around the shrine of the Imam Ali, then we will be at war forever, everywhere..
Reagan, no "girly-man" he, began thinking hard and differently about sending young men and women into harm's way after 241 U.S. Marines on a peace-keeping mission to Lebanon were killed by a truck-bomber who crashed into their barracks near the Beirut airport in October of 1983. Seven years later in his autobiography he wrote:.
"Perhaps we didn't appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and complexity of the problems that made the Middle East such a jungle. Perhaps the idea of a suicide car bomber committing mass murder to gain instant entry to Paradise was so foreign to our own values and consciousness that it did not create in us the concern for the Marines' safety that it should have.".
Reagan pulled the Marines out five months later, saying: "In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believed the last thing we should do was turn tail and leave. ... Yet, the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to re-think our policy there.".
It was then that Reagan wrote his list of policies regarding use of the military and concluded with this: "I would recommend it to future presidents." United Press Syndicate
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 09:11 am
A roundup of the past two weeks' good news from Iraq.

Quote:
In the coming weeks, the pages of our newspapers and our TV screen will be full of reports of Iraqi planes falling out of the sky. But as you watch another story about a kidnapping in Baghdad or read another report about the growing violence in Mosul, try to remember those 999--or even only 990--Iraqi planes that are everyday taking off and landing safely, carrying onboard millions of Iraqis on their new journey to a better, normal tomorrow.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 11:11 am
Quote:
Few of the criminals in Sadr's "ARMY" are Iraqis


How many?

You have no idea Chuckster. And why dont you get yourself an avatar to stop me feeling sick when I see your name?

Your whinging whining neo imperialist and condescending views induce a feeling of queasiness.

In fact why dont you chuck up somewhere else? Smile
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 11:13 am
Saddam agents on Syria border helped move banned materials

Saddam Hussein periodically removed guards on the Syrian border and replaced them with his own intelligence agents who supervised the movement of banned materials between the two countries, U.S. investigators have discovered.

The recent discovery by the Bush administration's Iraq Survey Group (ISG) is fueling speculation, but is not proof, that the Iraqi dictator moved prohibited weapons of mass destruction (WMD) into Syria before the March 2003 invasion by a U.S.-led coalition.

Two defense sources told The Washington Times that the ISG has interviewed Iraqis who told of Saddam's system of dispatching his trusted Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) to the border, where they would send border inspectors away.

The shift was followed by the movement of trucks in and out of Syria suspected of carrying materials banned by U.N. sanctions. Once the shipments were made, the agents would leave and the regular border guards would resume their posts.

"If you leave it to border guards, then the border guards could stop the trucks and extract their 10 percent, just like the mob would do," said a Pentagon official who asked not to be named. "Saddam's family was controlling the black market, and it was a good opportunity for them to make money."

Sources said Saddam and his family grew rich from this black market and personally dispatched his dreaded intelligence service to the border to make sure the shipments got through.

The ISG is a 1,400-member team organized by the Pentagon and CIA to hunt for Saddam's suspected stockpiles of WMD, such as chemical and biological agents. So far, the search has failed to find such stockpiles, which were the main reason for President Bush ordering the invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam.

But there is evidence of unusually heavy truck traffic into Syria in the days before the attack, and with it, speculation that some of the trucks contained the banned weapons.

"Of course, it's always suspicious," the Pentagon official said.
The source said the ISG has confirmed the practice of IIS agents going to the border. Investigators also have heard from Iraqi sources that this maneuver was done days before the war at a time of brisk cross-border movements.

That particular part of the disclosures has not been positively confirmed, the officials said, although it dovetails with Saddam's system of switching guards at a time when contraband was shipped.
The United States spotted the heavy truck traffic via satellite imagery before the war. But spy cameras cannot look through truck canopies, and the ISG has not been able to determine whether any weapons were sent to Syria for hiding.

In an interview in October, retired Lt. Gen. James R. Clapper Jr., who heads the U.S. agency that processes and analyzes satellite imagery, said he thinks that Saddam's underlings hid banned weapons of mass destruction before the war.

"I think personally that those below the senior leadership saw what was coming, and I think they went to some extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence," said Gen. Clapper, who heads the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. "I'll call it an 'educated hunch.' "

He added, "I think probably in the few months running up prior to the onset of combat that I think there was probably an intensive effort to disperse into private homes, move documentation and materials out of the country. I think there are any number of things that they would have done."

Of activity on the Syrian border, Gen. Clapper said, "There is no question that there was a lot of traffic, increase in traffic up to the immediate onset of combat and certainly during Iraqi Freedom. ... The obvious conclusion one draws is the sudden upturn, uptick in traffic which may have been people leaving the scene, fleeing Iraq and unquestionably, I'm sure, material as well."

He also said, "Based on what we saw prior to the onset of hostilities, we certainly felt there were indications of WMD activity. ... Actually knowing what is going on inside a building is quite a different thing than, say, this facility may well be a place where there may be WMD."

The Iraq Survey Group, which periodically briefs senior officials and Congress, is due to deliver its next report in September. In addition to interviewing hundreds of Iraqis, the ISG has collected and cataloged millions of pages of documents, not all of which have been fully examined.

Although Syria and Iraq competed for influence in the region, they shared the same Ba'athist socialist ideology and maintained close ties at certain government levels. The United States accused Syria during the war of harboring some of Saddam's inner circle.
____________________________________________________________

Seems about right.
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 11:22 am
Isn't it odd that this regime can always find someone to say what they want to hear. However, they can never find evidence to substantiate it. Show me the meat.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 11:28 am
Quote:
Saddam Hussein periodically removed guards on the Syrian border and replaced them with his own intelligence agents who supervised the movement of banned materials between the two countries, U.S. investigators have discovered.


Discovered? When? Iraq was invaded in March 2003. Is this news or ancient history?

Quote:
The recent discovery by the Bush administration's Iraq Survey Group (ISG) is fueling speculation, but is not proof, that the Iraqi dictator moved prohibited weapons of mass destruction (WMD) into Syria before the March 2003 invasion by a U.S.-led coalition.


Oh its recent discovery. Must have been reading books. And yes fueling speculation by us the Washington Times. But we say its not proof so we cant be held liable for spreading manure!

Quote:
Two defense sources told The Washington Times that the ISG has interviewed Iraqis who told of Saddam's system of dispatching his trusted Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) to the border, where they would send border inspectors away.


Who or what is a defense source? Donald Rumsfeld? Or someone who once saw a picture of Rumsfeld's pet cat on tv. ?

Quote:
The shift was followed by the movement of trucks in and out of Syria suspected of carrying materials banned by U.N. sanctions. Once the shipments were made, the agents would leave and the regular border guards would resume their posts.


Suspected eh?

Quote:
"If you leave it to border guards, then the border guards could stop the trucks and extract their 10 percent, just like the mob would do," said a Pentagon official who asked not to be named.


He asked not to be named. Why not? Is he afraid of Saddam getting out of prison and setting the boys on him? His statements are useful to Bush Why not disclose your identity mr pentagon man and claim your just reward?

Because its a made up story thats why. You can tell this is a barrel of fish a mile away.
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Kara
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2004 11:45 am
Set, that comment about Allawi trying to discredit Sadr's militia is becoming convincing to me. I have read in other sources that there is no evidence of significant foreign influence in Sadr's group of supporters.
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