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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 02:47 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:
Why doesn't this surprise me?
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US al-Qaeda warning revealed
From correspondents in Washington
11feb05
EIGHT months before the September 11 attacks the White House's then counterterrorism adviser urged then national security adviser Condoleezza Rice to hold a high-level meeting on the al-Qaeda network, according to a memo made public today ...
It shouldn't surprise anyone. It's old news!

First, eight months before September 11, 2001 was February 11, 2001; less than a month after the President's first inauguration.

Second, re-read the 9/11 Commission report, published September 20, 2004. For example, from Chapters 4.2, 6.3, and 6.4:
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[4.2]... Air strikes were threatened in October 1998;a full-scale NATO bombing campaign against Serbia was launched in March 1999.55

In addition, the Clinton administration was facing the possibility of major combat operations against Iraq. Since 1996, the UN inspections regime had been increasingly obstructed by Saddam Hussein. The United States was threatening to attack unless unfettered inspections could resume. The Clinton administration eventually launched a large-scale set of air strikes against Iraq, Operation Desert Fox, in December 1998. These military commitments became the context in which the Clinton administration had to consider opening another front of military engagement against a new terrorist threat based in Afghanistan.


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[6.3] ... On Friday, December 4, 1998, the CIA included an article in the Presidential Daily Brief describing intelligence, received from a friendly government, about a threatened hijacking in the United States. This article was declassified at our request.

The following is the text of an item from the Presidential Daily Brief received by President William J. Clinton on December 4, 1998. Redacted material is indicated in brackets.

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SUBJECT: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks

1. Reporting [-] suggests Bin Ladin and his allies are preparing for attacks in the US, including an aircraft hijacking to obtain the release of Shaykh 'Umar 'Abd al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef, and Muhammad Sadiq 'Awda. One source quoted a senior member of the Gama'at al-Islamiyya (IG) saying that, as of late October, the IG had completed planning for an operation in the US on behalf of Bin Ladin, but that the operation was on hold.A senior Bin Ladin operative from Saudi Arabia was to visit IG counterparts in the US soon thereafter to discuss options-perhaps including an aircraft hijacking.

IG leader Islambuli in late September was planning to hijack a US airliner during the "next couple of weeks" to free 'Abd al-Rahman and the other prisoners, according to what may be a different source.
The same source late last month said that Bin Ladin might implement plans to hijack US aircraft before the beginning of Ramadan on 20 December and that two members of the operational team had evaded security checks during a recent trial run at an unidentified New York airport. [-]
2. Some members of the Bin Ladin network have received hijack training, according to various sources, but no group directly tied to Bin Ladin's al-Qa'ida organization has ever carried out an aircraft hijacking.Bin Ladin could be weighing other types of operations against US aircraft.Accord-ing to [-] the IG in October obtained SA-7 missiles and intended to move them from Yemen into Saudi Arabia to shoot down an Egyptian plane or, if unsuccessful, a US military or civilian aircraft.

A [-] in October told us that unspecified "extremist elements" in Yemen had acquired SA-7s. [-]
3. [-] indicate the Bin Ladin organization or its allies are moving closer to implementing anti-US attacks at unspecified locations, but we do not know whether they are related to attacks on aircraft. A Bin Ladin associate in Sudan late last month told a colleague in Kandahar that he had shipped a group of containers to Afghanistan. Bin Ladin associates also talked about the movement of containers to Afghanistan before the East Africa bombings.

In other [-] Bin Ladin associates last month discussed picking up a package in Malaysia. One told his colleague in Malaysia that "they" were in the "ninth month [of pregnancy]."
An alleged Bin Ladin supporter in Yemen late last month remarked to his mother that he planned to work in "commerce" from abroad and said his impending "marriage," which would take place soon, would be a "surprise.""Commerce" and "marriage" often are codewords for terrorist attacks. [-]


The same day, Clarke convened a meeting of his CSG to discuss both the
hijacking concern and the antiaircraft missile threat. To address the hijacking warning, the group agreed that New York airports should go to maximum security starting that weekend. They agreed to boost security at other East coast airports. The CIA agreed to distribute versions of the report to the FBI and FAA to pass to the New York Police Department and the airlines. The FAA issued a security directive on December 8, with specific requirements for more intensive air carrier screening of passengers and more oversight of the screening process, at all three New York City area airports.112


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[6.3] ... As the Clinton administration drew to a close, Clarke and his staff developed a policy paper of their own, the first such comprehensive effort since the Delenda plan of 1998.The resulting paper, entitled "Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al Qida: Status and Prospects," reviewed the threat and the record to date, incorporated the CIA's new ideas from the Blue Sky memo, and posed several near-term policy options.

Clarke and his staff proposed a goal to "roll back" al Qaeda over a period of three to five years. Over time, the policy should try to weaken and eliminate the network's infrastructure in order to reduce it to a "rump group" like other formerly feared but now largely defunct terrorist organizations of the 1980s. "Continued anti-al Qida operations at the current level will prevent some attacks," Clarke's office wrote, "but will not seriously attrit their ability to plan and conduct attacks." The paper backed covert aid to the Northern Alliance, covert aid to Uzbekistan, and renewed Predator flights in March 2001. A sentence called for military action to destroy al Qaeda command-and-control targets and infrastructure and Taliban military and command assets. The paper also expressed concern about the presence of al Qaeda operatives in the United States.155


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[6.4] ... In December, Bush met with Clinton for a two-hour, one-on-one discussion of national security and foreign policy challenges. Clinton recalled saying to Bush, "I think you will find that by far your biggest threat is Bin Ladin and the al Qaeda." Clinton told us that he also said, "One of the great regrets of my presidency is that I didn't get him [Bin Ladin] for you, because I tried to."159 Bush told the Commission that he felt sure President Clinton had mentioned terrorism, but did not remember much being said about al Qaeda. Bush recalled that Clinton had emphasized other issues such as North Korea and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.160

In early January, Clarke briefed Rice on terrorism. He gave similar presentations-describing al Qaeda as both an adaptable global network of jihadist organizations and a lethal core terrorist organization-to Vice President-elect Cheney, Hadley, and Secretary of State-designate Powell. One line in the briefing slides said that al Qaeda had sleeper cells in more than 40 countries, including the United States.161 Berger told us that he made a point of dropping in on Clarke's briefing of Rice to emphasize the importance of the issue. Later the same day, Berger met with Rice. He says that he told her the Bush administration would spend more time on terrorism in general and al Qaeda in particular than on anything else. Rice's recollection was that Berger told her she would be surprised at how much more time she was going to spend on terrorism than she expected, but that the bulk of their conversation dealt with the faltering Middle East peace process and North Korea. Clarke said that the new team, having been out of government for eight years, had a steep learning curve to understand al Qaeda and the new transnational terrorist threat.162


[boldface emphasis is mine]
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 03:03 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
Our efforts to rebuild Iraq, which are, at best, secondary, are necessarily hampered by our ultimate purpose for Iraq, which is a vital front on the war on terror, which is why the terrorists have chosen to make a stand there. That way, we do not have to face them here at home.


That phrase, oft-quoted, has a certain ring of confidence about it, as though it is received wisdom and must be true. But-

Just watching a TV report tonight on the release of the official papers on the enquiry into the 9/11 attacks.
It seems that this report was deliberately held back until well after the presidential election.
Secondly, it seems that it was official policy to "face them at home". The administration knew about the terrorists and their activities, but the security services were not told to pick them up. The only possible reason for that is, the 9/11 attack was part of the Bush master plan for Saddam and Iraq.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 03:13 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I've been away today and just saw this news on BBC. From now onwards, I'll consider even the worst conspirational thoughts re the USA as "might be true" - since it could well be that after an important dinner, a big football match or some election this will be published officially.
BBC is a little behind the times. This is old news: No conspiracy. It was just a continuation from the Clinton Adinistration of too frequent US government screw ups. The Clinton and Bush damn fools were simply not sufficiently prescient.
[9/11 Comission Report, Published September 20, 2004, Chapter 6.3]
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Early Decisions
Within the first few days after Bush's inauguration, Clarke approached Rice in an effort to get her-and the new President-to give terrorism very high priority and to act on the agenda that he had pushed during the last few months of the previous administration. After Rice requested that all senior staff identify desirable major policy reviews or initiatives, Clarke submitted an elaborate memorandum on January 25, 2001. He attached to it his 1998 Delenda Plan and the December 2000 strategy paper. "We urgently need . . . a Principals level review on the al Qida network," Clarke wrote.172

He wanted the Principals Committee to decide whether al Qaeda was "a first order threat" or a more modest worry being overblown by "chicken little" alarmists. Alluding to the transition briefing that he had prepared for Rice, Clarke wrote that al Qaeda "is not some narrow, little terrorist issue that needs to be included in broader regional policy." Two key decisions that had been deferred, he noted, concerned covert aid to keep the Northern Alliance alive when fighting began again in Afghanistan in the spring, and covert aid to the Uzbeks. Clarke also suggested that decisions should be made soon on messages to the Taliban and Pakistan over the al Qaeda sanctuary in Afghanistan, on possible new money for CIA operations, and on "when and how . . . to respond to the attack on the USS Cole."173

The national security advisor did not respond directly to Clarke's memorandum. No Principals Committee meeting on al Qaeda was held until September 4, 2001 (although the Principals Committee met frequently on other subjects, such as the Middle East peace process, Russia, and the Persian Gulf ).174 But Rice and Hadley began to address the issues Clarke had listed. What to do or say about the Cole had been an obvious question since inauguration day. When the attack occurred, 25 days before the election, candidate Bush had said to CNN, "I hope that we can gather enough intelligence to figure out who did the act and take the necessary action. There must be a consequence."175 Since the Clinton administration had not responded militarily, what was the Bush administration to do?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 03:30 pm
ican711nm wrote:
BBC is a little behind the times.


Well, this might certainly be, since they only were referring to the 9/11 Commission Staff Report on FAA Failings Published on Web

So you knew the full report earlier.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 03:36 pm
McTag wrote:
... The only possible reason for that is, the 9/11 attack was part of the Bush master plan for Saddam and Iraq.
Laughing That is almost as funny as the following:

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Actually, it is alleged that McTag here with his own master plan who early in 2001 secretly conspired to misdirect Rice from recognizing the imminent threat of al Qaeda until after the fact of the 9/11/2001 al Qaeda mass murder of innocent civilians in America.

It is further alleged that evidence has recently been rounded up that McTag conspired with al Qaeda in creating his master plan.

McTag is alleged to be financed by al Qaeda.

It is also alleged that the primary source of McTag's motivation for his conspiracy are the strange sounds that frequently emanate from under his bed when he tries to sleep at night.

The source of all these allegations is alleged to be located at 51,000 feet.
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 03:46 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
BBC is a little behind the times.
... So you knew the full report earlier.
Yes, me and one or two other folks who either bought the Authorized Edition of the 9/11 Commission Report, published by Norton, from Walmart or Sam's for $6.47, or are blessed with access to the internet
www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 03:50 pm
I see.

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Washington, D.C., February 10, 2005 - As a result of a Freedom of Information Act appeal filed by the National Security Archive, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) corrected its October 2004 blunder of withholding the names and numbers of aviation warnings known as Information Circulars that were widely cited and quoted in the best-selling 9/11 Commission Report.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 04:02 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I see.

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Washington, D.C., February 10, 2005 - As a result of a Freedom of Information Act appeal filed by the National Security Archive, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) corrected its October 2004 blunder of withholding the names and numbers of aviation warnings known as Information Circulars that were widely cited and quoted in the best-selling 9/11 Commission Report.
underline added by me. Asked and answered! Very Happy

Speaking as an aviator in the US, I consider myself more well informed than I care to be about the FAA's propensity to too frequently blunder. However, I'll grant the FAA at least this much: "withholding the names and numbers of aviation warnings known as Information Circulars that were widely cited and quoted in the best-selling 9/11 Commission Report" is hardly a significant blunder. Laughing
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 04:03 pm
In your place, Ican, I would not categorise the claim that an American administration invited an attack on its heartland as "funny". I would probably consider it preposterous, unthinkable, impossible. But I'm not you, thank the Lord.

I am glad that more evidence of the thing is now coming to light. Consider it carefully.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 04:21 pm
McTag wrote:
In your place, Ican, I would not categorise the claim that an American administration invited an attack on its heartland as "funny". I would probably consider it preposterous, unthinkable, impossible. But I'm not you, thank the Lord. I am glad that more evidence of the thing is now coming to light. Consider it carefully.
I apologize! I should have said hysterically funny. That foolish claim was made foolishly for fools and paranoids, all of whom foolishly believed that foolish claim, including the one who first made that claim. That claim is so stupid, "preposterous, unthinkable, impossible," ridiculous, and moronic as to make it definitely, hysterically funny. Laughing

One more time: Whether you or we Americans like it or not, our Presidents starting with George Washington--and probably not ending with George Bush--blundered frequently before they succeeded--when they succeeded at all--in their goals of making America a better country.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 04:27 pm
You do wonder that so many in this forum who do not believe in God nevertheless expect us to elect an omnipreseent, omnipotent, omniscient, infallble God to be the Republican president.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 04:34 pm
Maybe Bill Clinton will switch parties.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 04:38 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
You do wonder that so many in this forum who do not believe in God nevertheless expect us to elect an omnipreseent, omnipotent, omniscient, infallble God to be the Republican president.
Oh my God! We haven't Question Crying or Very sad Well, Foxfyer, we've blundered along so far and our democracy has survived more or less intact. Perhaps a tad of optimism on our part is justified. Maybe those folks you referred to will eventually come to accept reality and finally put away their versions of "Mother Goose" and "Frankenstine Meets the Wolfman." :wink:
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 04:41 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Maybe Bill Clinton will switch parties.
Clinton has already switched his own party quite enough! Leave the poor man alone! :wink:
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 04:47 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
You do wonder that so many in this forum who do not believe in God nevertheless expect us to elect an omnipreseent, omnipotent, omniscient, infallble God to be the Republican president.
By the way, how's this for optimism? Maybe these folks you referred to may cease hating all Republicans who aren't God incarnate. Yes, I know, "from my lips to God's ears." Confused
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 04:47 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
You do wonder that so many in this forum who do not believe in God nevertheless expect us to elect an omnipreseent, omnipotent, omniscient, infallble God to be the Republican president.


Don't have to be all that to read a piece of paper............
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 04:56 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
You do wonder that so many in this forum who do not believe in God nevertheless expect us to elect an omnipreseent, omnipotent, omniscient, infallble God to be the Republican president.


Don't have to be all that to read a piece of paper............

Yes they do. They have to be all that in order to read that piece of paper presciently, so they can always tell whether what's on the paper is valid or invalid, accurate or inaccurate, or relevant or irrelevant. Also some folks here appear to think absent always is tantamount to never. Worse, they think absent always is for a Republican tantamount to conspiring with the devil.

By the way, I know all that despite the fact that I'm not scheduled to be perfect until next Tuesday ... and I'm way ... way behind schedule.
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Kara
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 08:21 pm
Sorry, ican, it doesn't parse. The latest stuff to hit the fan from the 9/11 commission was withheld until after the election. Every source, even conservative, admits that.

We are being and have been fed stuff that is totally political, untrustworthy, and fitting the agenda of this administration. We have never before, since people have had access to widespread systems of information and communication, been so manipulated, so undernourished of information, and so in danger of losing our ability to reason for ourselves and express that in the public forum.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 08:48 pm
excellent posts Ican, the one thing that I don't understand is this:

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First, eight months before September 11, 2001 was February 11, 2001; less than a month after the President's first inauguration.


Can you tell me what you think the acceptable time is for being able to do your job? Rice's job for example?
By the way, briefings for all senior members of Bush's staff including Rice started in December as they have for all transition teams for the past fifty years. Most new administrations hit the ground running and are at speed in days not months. The learning curve that Clarke mentioned and you emphasized was of their own making and a clear indication of Rice's failure was the lack of a principals meeting on terrorism until September. Way too late.

Joe(I want a job where I have six to ten months to get my feet wet.)Nation
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 09:31 pm
Kara wrote:
Sorry, ican, it doesn't parse. The latest stuff to hit the fan from the 9/11 commission was withheld until after the election. Every source, even conservative, admits that.

That stuff you refer to is a falsity at best and at worst a damn lie. The President's 1st inauguration was in January 2001. His 2nd inauguration was in January 2005. As I previously posted, the following was known and not withheld until after the President's 2nd inauguration; it was published, 9/20/2004 in the 9/11 Commission Report, Chapter 6.3, and known by everyone who cared including me prior to the President's election in November 2004 (boldface added by me):

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Early Decisions
Within the first few days after Bush's inauguration, Clarke approached Rice in an effort to get her-and the new President-to give terrorism very high priority and to act on the agenda that he had pushed during the last few months of the previous administration. After Rice requested that all senior staff identify desirable major policy reviews or initiatives, Clarke submitted an elaborate memorandum on January 25, 2001. He attached to it his 1998 Delenda Plan and the December 2000 strategy paper. "We urgently need . . . a Principals level review on the al Qida network," Clarke wrote.172

He wanted the Principals Committee to decide whether al Qaeda was "a first order threat" or a more modest worry being overblown by "chicken little" alarmists. Alluding to the transition briefing that he had prepared for Rice, Clarke wrote that al Qaeda "is not some narrow, little terrorist issue that needs to be included in broader regional policy." Two key decisions that had been deferred, he noted, concerned covert aid to keep the Northern Alliance alive when fighting began again in Afghanistan in the spring, and covert aid to the Uzbeks. Clarke also suggested that decisions should be made soon on messages to the Taliban and Pakistan over the al Qaeda sanctuary in Afghanistan, on possible new money for CIA operations, and on "when and how . . . to respond to the attack on the USS Cole."173

The national security advisor did not respond directly to Clarke's memorandum. No Principals Committee meeting on al Qaeda was held until September 4, 2001 (although the Principals Committee met frequently on other subjects, such as the Middle East peace process, Russia, and the Persian Gulf ).174 But Rice and Hadley began to address the issues Clarke had listed. What to do or say about the Cole had been an obvious question since inauguration day. When the attack occurred, 25 days before the election, candidate Bush had said to CNN, "I hope that we can gather enough intelligence to figure out who did the act and take the necessary action. There must be a consequence."175 Since the Clinton administration had not responded militarily, what was the Bush administration to do?


Kara wrote:
We are being and have been fed stuff that is totally political, untrustworthy, and fitting the agenda of this administration. We have never before, since people have had access to widespread systems of information and communication, been so manipulated, so undernourished of information, and so in danger of losing our ability to reason for ourselves and express that in the public forum.
You are being fed stuff all right. You are being fed stuff by an incompetent or lying news media and not by the administration. All this Clarke-Rice stuff was known from the 9/11 Commission several months prior to President Bush's 2nd election. To allege President Bush blundered in the 1st 8 months of his 1st term may or may not be valid. To say President Bush knowingly withheld information or otherwise knowingly deceived the voters is irresponsible.

Here's more, Chapter 4.2, to show that President Clinton back in the 1990s planned to invade Iraq by air well before President Bush 1st ran for election in 2000:
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... Air strikes were threatened in October 1998;a full-scale NATO bombing campaign against Serbia was launched in March 1999. 55

In addition, the Clinton administration was facing the possibility of major combat operations against Iraq. Since 1996, the UN inspections regime had been increasingly obstructed by Saddam Hussein. The United States was threatening to attack unless unfettered inspections could resume. The Clinton administration eventually launched a large-scale set of air strikes against Iraq, Operation Desert Fox, in December 1998. These military commitments became the context in which the Clinton administration had to consider opening another front of military engagement against a new terrorist threat based in Afghanistan. ...


Iraq and terrorism were on President Bush's mind prior to his inauguration in 2001 because President Clinton put Iraq plus terrorism there. Again from chapter 6.3:
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... In December, Bush met with Clinton for a two-hour, one-on-one discussion of national security and foreign policy challenges. Clinton recalled saying to Bush, "I think you will find that by far your biggest threat is Bin Ladin and the al Qaeda." Clinton told us that he also said, "One of the great regrets of my presidency is that I didn't get him [Bin Ladin] for you, because I tried to."159 Bush told the Commission that he felt sure President Clinton had mentioned terrorism, but did not remember much being said about al Qaeda. Bush recalled that Clinton had emphasized other issues such as North Korea and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.160
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