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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 02:56 pm
Amazingly, I haven't seen this one discussed:

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U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said today that Iran must live up to its international obligations to halt its nuclear program or the next steps are in the offing. "And I think everybody understands what the 'next steps' mean," Rice told reporters after a meeting with NATO foreign ministers and European Union officials. In his state of the union address, President Bush singled out Iran as "the world's primary state sponsor of terror -- pursuing nuclear weapons."


www.cnn.com

Yeah, 'diplomacy' in action.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 03:00 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Decades from now this speech will still be looked at as visionary and for the ages.


Pass that pipe, brotha! I need some of whatever you're smoking.

Cycloptichorn


Well, you definitely need something! Maybe self-medication would help.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 03:06 pm
What medication do I need to take to be able to make myself believe, like you, that we need to go to war to spread peace? That Bush will be remembered as a 'visionary' and not a crook? It must be pretty potent...

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 03:12 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
What medication do I need to take to be able to make myself believe, like you, that we need to go to war to spread peace? That Bush will be remembered as a 'visionary' and not a crook? It must be pretty potent...

Cycloptichorn


The truth shall set you free.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 03:12 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Amazingly, I haven't seen this one discussed:

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U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said today that Iran must live up to its international obligations to halt its nuclear program or the next steps are in the offing. "And I think everybody understands what the 'next steps' mean," Rice told reporters after a meeting with NATO foreign ministers and European Union officials. In his state of the union address, President Bush singled out Iran as "the world's primary state sponsor of terror -- pursuing nuclear weapons."


www.cnn.com

Yeah, 'diplomacy' in action.

Cycloptichorn


What do you assume your bold type line means?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 03:17 pm
This your visionary?

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 03:19 pm
Oh, I think everyone understands what the 'next steps' mean.

Cycloptichorn
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 03:25 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
does anyone have information on whether the Kurds are more likely to be Kurdish first, or Religious first, when it comes to the upcoming power struggle for government? Is there a seperation between the two?



a lot of people have been wondering this very thing about america lately...
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 03:30 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
What medication do I need to take to be able to make myself believe, like you, that we need to go to war to spread peace? That Bush will be remembered as a 'visionary' and not a crook? It must be pretty potent...Cycloptichorn
I recommend enough heavily caffeinated coffee to keep you awake while you carefully read an accurate account of the history of the 20th century.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 03:30 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:
The Elections

Sounds like Florida: Iraqi officials Wednesday delayed the announcement of final results from landmark national elections because they said the election commission must recount votes from about 300 ballot boxes.

Final results from the Jan. 30 balloting were to be announced Thursday. But spokesman Farid Ayar said the deadline would slip due to the need for a recount.

"We don't know when this will finish," he said. "This will lead to a little postponement in announcing the results."

Ayar would not say where the 300 ballot boxes came from.


fox news has just announced the departure to iraq of supreme court justice antonin scalia to render a decision on the election.

:wink:
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 03:40 pm
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I recommend enough heavily caffeinated coffee to keep you awake while you carefully read an accurate account of the history of the 20th century.


Which points, specifically, are you referring to?

I really believe that those who lived through our honorable conflicts are simply completely unable to believe we've sunk to such a low, and are fashioning a new reality; one in which we are still honorable, and not aggressors in the name of peace.

Sad, really.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 04:10 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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I recommend enough heavily caffeinated coffee to keep you awake while you carefully read an accurate account of the history of the 20th century.

Which points, specifically, are you referring to? Cycloptichorn


20th Century Examples of War Winning Peace:
WWI: We went to war to win a peace and we won a peace.
1933-1939: We disarmed to keep the peace and lost the peace.
1939: We (i.e., europeans) negotiated a give away of another country to win a peace and lost a peace.
WWII: We went to war to win a peace and we won a peace.
Korea: We went to war to stop an invasion and stopped the invasion.
Vietnam: We went to war to stop an invasion and fled before we stopped the invasion.
USSR Communism: We armed to deter a war and maintain a peace, and won a peace.
Kuwait: We went to war to stop an invasion and stopped the invasion.

Disarming, negotiating and fleeing didn't work.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 04:29 pm
In order for a negotiation to be successful the parties to the negotiation have to be willing to give up some of what they have in order to get some of what they want.

Al Qaeda want us all dead and to have all 72 virgins in paradise. None of us want to be dead and we don't govern paradise.

Negotiation with al Qaeda doesn't look promising.

Iraqi Baathists want all Iraqi voters dead and to rule Iraq. We want Iraq to be a democracy of the Iraqi's own design.

Negotiation with Iraqi Baathists doesn't look promising.

Syria and Iran want Iraq to not be a democracy. We want Iraq to be a democracy of the Iraqi's own design.

Negotiations with Syria and Iran don't look promising.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 04:50 pm
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We want Iraq to be a democracy of the Iraqi's own design.


There are many Iraqis from every party who oppose us for this very reason, Ican: because our continued presence and meddling ensures that this simply will not happen.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 06:04 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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We want Iraq to be a democracy of the Iraqi's own design.
There are many Iraqis from every party who oppose us for this very reason, Ican: because our continued presence and meddling ensures that this simply will not happen. Cycloptichorn
Those millions of life risking voters--Iraqi Patrick Henrys, I call them--convinced me otherwise. Clearly there are many many many many ... many more Iraqis who want us to stay until they can secure their own democracy, but no longer. Then and only then do they want us to scoot. We will be delighted to oblige. The sooner the better.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 06:15 pm
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We will be delighted to oblige. The sooner the better.

yeah I'm sure we will and yet I hear no mention of fixing what we broke when we got there. Like water/elect/sewer/fuel etc etc etc.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 06:19 pm
dyslexia wrote:
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We will be delighted to oblige. The sooner the better.

yeah I'm sure we will and yet I hear no mention of fixing what we broke when we got there. Like water/elect/sewer/fuel etc etc etc.


Are you serious?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 06:34 pm
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Then and only then do they want us to scoot. We will be delighted to oblige. The sooner the better.


I have yet to be convinced of this.

Cycloptichorn
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 06:35 pm
yeppers, I sure am, reading today about the minimum 7 hour wait to get fuel in their truck/car, the usual 2 hours per day of elect in their homes/businesses and trucked in water rationed by the litre. But hey, I only read the liberal press so how would I know?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 06:39 pm
dyslexia wrote:
yeppers, I sure am, reading today about the minimum 7 hour wait to get fuel in their truck/car, the usual 2 hours per day of elect in their homes/businesses and trucked in water rationed by the litre. But hey, I only read the liberal press so how would I know?


You're positive that you've heard no mention of anything being fixed while we've been there....I mean when there wasn't a bomb going off or bullets flying that might disrupt any progress.....anything like that?

C'mon, you no better. :wink:
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