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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 03:36 pm
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By all estimates; a greater percentage of Iraqis than U.S. Americans will risk their lives to participate in this "joke". Your larger submissions are scroll-pasts but this little one caught my eye and is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.


Ashamed of myself? For what, pointing out that a fixed election is no election at all? That Iraqis are participating in something they don't have a choice about (what else are they going to do? They HAVE to vote), but that doesn't make it legitimate; just sad.

Why don't you just piss off? I could give a damn what a mental midget such as yourself thinks about my posts, as you've proven many times in the past that your opinion is solidly grounded in fantasy and has no regard whatsoever for logic.

Cycloptichorn
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 03:45 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Dtom writes
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and if, if, they do, will you call that a "photo op"?


To the best of my knowledge I don't think the 'righties' are organized as a political activist organization as the 'lefties' are. And I think you have to agree they appear to be in a distinct minority in Hollywood.


but nobody's keeping them from being organized. i think they should do it. bruce willis is very republican, as is his brother. charlton heston is. they both have clout. no reason why they shouldn't use it.

now, perhaps the actual "talent" is more left, but most of the business people and support people i've worked along with are more rightish.

but that's show biz. creative people are more likely to be liberal. just as people who pursue a military career are more likely to be conservative.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 03:46 pm
Naw, all the righties that have gone to Iraq have gone as ISO to entertain the troops and they contribute that way.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 03:52 pm
I guess you didn't notice that most everyone from the left and right are wishing the Iraqis well in this unprecedented step for democracy. We all recognize it as far from perfect. So far though, presumably out of respect to the brave men and women who are risking their lives to try and take a stake in their governance for the first time in their lives… So far, there's only a limited number of idiots out there calling it a fixed election. So far, I've counted one.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 03:55 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Naw, all the righties that have gone to Iraq have gone as ISO to entertain the troops and they contribute that way.


so has al franken. several times.

ahnoldt took it to the next step, big time. as did reagan.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 03:56 pm
Two

And he knows a hell of a lot more about the situation than you or I ever will.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 04:15 pm
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BAGHDAD - Sitting in her dark, cramped apartment during another seemingly interminable power failure, Karima Selman Methboub promises to cast aside her family's fears of violence and doubts about the new Iraq to vote in landmark elections on Sunday.

"We are under the mercy of Allah - I will take all my family with me," says the matriarch, nodding at some of her eight children. "If something will happen, we will all die together."

http://www.christiansciencemonitor.com/2005/0126/p01s01-woiq.html
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 04:19 pm
Interesting distraction, that. Thanks for the link. Pity you don't understand democracy any better than Raed... or his family though.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 05:09 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Interesting distraction, that. Thanks for the link. Pity you don't understand democracy any better than Raed... or his family though.


He is there .... where are you?
I dare say he has forgotten more on the subject than you willl ever suspect. I never met an expert on what other people know or don't know .... how do you do it?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 05:20 pm
Another blog from River, sounds like they areunder lock down...

Quote:
Baghdad Burning

... I'll meet you 'round the bend my friend, where hearts can heal and souls can mend...
Thursday, January 27, 2005

Water Anxiety...
I have to make this fast. We have about two hours of electricity- hopefully. The water came back yesterday evening. It's just a little drizzle but it's certainly better than nothing.

E. was the first to hear it. We were sitting in the living room and he suddenly jumped up, alert, "Do you hear that?" He asked. I strained my ears for either the sound of a plane or helicopter or gun shots. Nothing... except, wait... something... like a small stream of... water? Could it be? Was it back? We both ran into the bathroom where we had the faucets turned on for the last eight days in anticipation of water. Sure enough, there it was- a little stream of water that kept coming and going as if undecided. E. and I did a little victory dance in front of the sink with some celebratory hoots and clapping.

This was followed by a lot of work. We spent the rest of the evening filling anything that was fillable- pots, pans, cups, bottles and buckets. The formerly empty area under the staircase is now filled with big pots of water covered with trays and mismatching pot covers to keep out stray bugs and dust.

I almost didn't sleep last night. I kept worrying the water would be cut off again. I actually crept downstairs at 4 a.m. to see if it was still there and found E. standing in the bathroom doorway doing the same. My mother is calling the syndrome "water anxiety". We were hoping the flow would grow stronger at night but apparently the water pressure is really low. E. and I rose early this morning because we decided last night that should the water continue to flow, we'd attempt to fill up the big water tank on the roof. The water from this tank goes directly to the electric water heater but since we haven't been using that for a while now, we decided to close up the tank and use it as a sort of secondary storage. We cannot get caught off-guard again. Drinking water rose to almost 1,000 Dinars a liter this last week.

E. and I spent the day carrying up buckets of water. The water flow is so weak, it takes about 17 minutes to fill up a 10 liter plastic pail (I was timing it). We've carried up about 10 buckets until now. The water still doesn't reach the kitchen faucets so we've managed to move the dirty dishes to the bathroom and are washing them there.

Unfortunately, the electricity situation has deteriorated. We're getting about four hours for every twenty hours in our area- I'm not quite sure what's going on in the other areas. It feels like we're almost cut off from each other.

Baghdad has been unstable these last few days. We had several explosions this last week and although the number of explosions wasn't surprising, the force of a couple of them had us wincing. There's a real fear of the coming elections and what they might bring. I don't like the idea that they've selected schools as election sites. School is out right now, but the security threat is obvious- elections sites are most likely going to be bombed. Schools are having a difficult time as it is getting things fixed and replaced, they don't need the added trauma of an explosion. It's just a bad idea.

The curfew begins at six from now on and there's also a "driving curfew" in addition to the ordinary one. I don't have the exact hours but I know that during several hours of the day, it's ok to be on foot but not ok to be in a car. I don't have the slightest idea how they're going to enforce that one.

Ghazi Al Yawir, our alleged current president, was giving an interview on LBC yesterday. Apparently, he and Allawi aren't on the same election list anymore because they had a falling out as to who should head the list. Ghazi proposed the president should be the head of the list and Allawi claimed somebody Shia (Allawi himself) should head the list. Now, Allawi's group is 285 on the election ballot and Yawir's group is 288, I think.

My favorite question during the interview was when the reporter asked him what he thought of Chalabi possibly being arrested. Ghazi looked flustered and a little bit unsure (apparently he hasn't been watching CNN while abroad). He actually told her that the person who claimed Chalabi was wanted was probably speaking his own "personal" opinion and that it wasn't representative of the 'government'- never mind the person in question was the Minister of Defense. To be perfectly fair, he didn't mention which government he was referring to- I couldn't tell if he was talking about the US, the UK or the current group of Puppets. He claimed that for Chalabi to be arrested there needed to be 'proof' he had actually done something wrong... the Interpol wanting him really wasn't enough.

It's a bit discouraging to watch the current government so uncoordinated. It's like they don't even communicate with each other. It's also somewhat disturbing to know that they can't seem to decide who is a criminal and who isn't. Isn't there some "idiots guide to being a good Vichy government"?

They say communications are going to be cut off very soon. Telephones are often cut off and the mobile network is sometimes inaccessible for days at a time but we heard there also might not be web access. Students have a mid-year vacation right now but no one is going anywhere. Almost everyone is trapped at home because the security situation is quite bad and no one wants to be caught in an area where an explosion might occur. If the bomb doesn't kill you, the Iraqi security forces or the Americans might and if no one kills you then you risk getting a bag over the head and a trip to Abu Ghraib.

There's an almost palpable anxiety in the air these last couple of weeks and it's beginning to wear on people- fuel shortages, water shortages and a lack of electricity. It's like the first days of the war all over again.

Juan Cole has a "The Speech Bush SHOULD have Given" and it's quite good. In my opinion, during this year's inaugral Bush could have summed it up with the following: "Ha! I can't believe you people actually re-elected me! Unbelievable! Some people just loooove the abuse!!!"

- posted by river @ 4:29 PM
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 05:52 pm
I thought he was in Dubai which isn't exactly the hellhole of the world and would be as unlikely as being in the U.S. to have a better perspective of what the situation is in Iraq.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 06:00 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Interesting distraction, that. Thanks for the link. Pity you don't understand democracy any better than Raed... or his family though.


He is there .... where are you?
I dare say he has forgotten more on the subject than you willl ever suspect. I never met an expert on what other people know or don't know .... how do you do it?
What does his location have to do with understanding democracy? If anything, I would think it a disadvantage, no?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 06:37 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Interesting distraction, that. Thanks for the link. Pity you don't understand democracy any better than Raed... or his family though.


He is there .... where are you?
I dare say he has forgotten more on the subject than you willl ever suspect. I never met an expert on what other people know or don't know .... how do you do it?
What does his location have to do with understanding democracy? If anything, I would think it a disadvantage, no?


Not a thing.... I don't think you can tell what a man knows or does not know at that distance when you would'nt know him if he walked right up to you. Where do you get off bad mouthing a man and his family when you don't even know them. That action does not bolster your self percieved knowledgeability..
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 06:44 pm
Cycloptichorn and Gels

Very nice day's postings. Carry on.

The rest of you are deluded. Have another Prozac and sit down.


Joe (Willing to vote if there is any chance it will be counted)Nation
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 06:54 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Interesting distraction, that. Thanks for the link. Pity you don't understand democracy any better than Raed... or his family though.


He is there .... where are you?
I dare say he has forgotten more on the subject than you willl ever suspect. I never met an expert on what other people know or don't know .... how do you do it?
What does his location have to do with understanding democracy? If anything, I would think it a disadvantage, no?


Not a thing.... I don't think you can tell what a man knows or does not know at that distance when you would'nt know him if he walked right up to you. Where do you get off bad mouthing a man and his family when you don't even know them. That action does not bolster your self percieved knowledgeability..
I had just read the man, and 3 members of his family's blogs. Each seems to think democracy means you get to vote for the perfect candidate. If I insulted anyone with my comment, it was Cyclops alone... because he should no better. The Sunni family member almost has a handle on it... if he can just now understand that your choice is ALWAYS a compromise. My comments about what they know are based on what they profess to know. Did you read them? Or are you just running your mouth assuming I'm wrong?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 07:21 pm
January 27th:
Attention Y’all!
There are now 14 million registered Iraqi voters.
Outstanding!
The total number of Iraqis voting will be

Corection! 13,064,427 or more.
That’s more than 93%!

Astonishing!
After they vote, there will be
[/b]
Corection! 13,064,427 or more
Iraqi Patrick Henrys.
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Patrick Henry: "It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry peace, peace!—but there is no peace. The war is actually begun. The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms. Our brethen are already in the field. Why stay we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me: give me liberty, or give me death!"

[size=8]13,131,313[/size]
You can count on it!
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 07:32 pm
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/144/1547/640/Image(006).jpg

ads for allow(ie), supported by the bush government, are all around Amman. He markets himself as the "strong" leadership. I really dont want to see the weak one.

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/144/1547/320/Image(004).jpg

Dubai from our hotel room. That tent between us and the twoers is the Iraqi electios center in dubai. This center and the other one in Abu Dhabi are the only two voting places in the Gulf.
Posted by: Raed Jarrar / 1:31 PM (0) comments

What Cheney said
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 08:07 pm
I believe in the human spirit. It is the HUMAN spirit, I honestly believe, that will be demonstrated in Iraq on Sunday.

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/party/party-smiley-017.gif 
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 08:09 pm
emphasis added by me
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February 2005
The War Against World War IV
Normn Podhoretz

Until 9/11, the realists undoubtedly represented the single most influential school of thought in the world of foreign policy, with all others considered
naïve or dangerous or both (though a patronizing pass might occasionally be given to liberal internationalists). It would not be going too far to say that for everyone of any great importance in that world, whether as a theorist or a practitioner, the realist perspective was axiomatic. And being, as it were, the default position, it was almost automatically adopted by George W. Bush, too, in his pre-9/11 incarnation. But on 9/11, Bush’s more or less reflexive realism took so great a hit that it collapsed in flames just as surely as did the Twin Towers.

Bush made no secret of his repudiation of realism, and he did not pussyfoot around it:
For decades, free nations tolerated oppression in the Middle East for the sake of stability. In practice, this approach brought little stability and much oppression, so I have changed this policy.

That took care of the first guiding precept of the realist perspective. And Bush was equally forthright—almost brutal—in giving the back of his hand to the realist prohibition against using force to transform the internal character of other states:
Some who call themselves realists question whether the spread of democracy in the Middle East should be any concern of ours. But the realists in this case have lost contact with a fundamental reality:
America has always been less secure when freedom is in retreat; America is always more secure when freedom is on the march.
...

NORMAN PODHORETZ is the editor-at-large of COMMENTARY and the author of ten
books. His essay, "World War IV: How It Started, What It Means, and Why We
Have to Win," appeared in our September 2004 issue.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2005 08:23 pm
Raed is so full of shite his writing stinks. He's a propagandist of the finest sort leading liberals down the trail of tears.
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