THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

Sigh.

"And in the end it all comes down to what people BELEIVE about God or Allah or by whatever name they call a diety. In the case of militant fundamentalist Christianity, God favors them, hates the rest of us. That is the concern when it comes to Christianity."

No further coment at this time..... Crying or Very sad

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You said it, Adrian!

Icant:
"Iraq's "sacred texts" -- the government records that provide a documentary history of mass murder."

Oh, those are Iraq's sacred texts, are they? What a hateful thing to say, and to reprint! After reading that sentence, the bias is obvious and the rest of the article is moot. Kaplan aint worth the read.

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The difference between Allah and the Christian God is that Christians believe God loves everybody and is not willing that any should perish. Nor does the Christian God advocate destroying the enemies of God. By the time Jesus showed up, religious thought was considerably advanced past the wrath of the God of the Old Testament.

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Foxfyre wrote:

There is no way that any of you can say that the Qu'ran does not contain numerous passages suggesting that all infidels, i.e. non-believers in Islam, be destroyed, including beheading as one of the options. You will find many more such passages in the Qu'ran of that type than you will find any suggesting tolerance and mercy for the infidels.

This is actually true.

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Well, I'll just go and take YOU'RE word for it heh?

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IronLionZion wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
There is no way that any of you can say that the Qu'ran does not contain numerous passages suggesting that all infidels, i.e. non-believers in Islam, be destroyed, including beheading as one of the options. You will find many more such passages in the Qu'ran of that type than you will find any suggesting tolerance and mercy for the infidels.

This is actually true.

Well that's not fair. Crying or Very sad

All seems to be lost, and we can blame it on religion.

Hey, has anyone seen Fahrenheit 9/11 yet? What did you think of it? I believe it's popular in the States.

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All is not lost I think McTag. It is just a fact of the way the world is today, and we will be well advised to be aware of what dangers exist.

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Duplicate post - sorry

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ican711nm wrote:

FOLKS ON THE LEFT ARE SUCCEEDING IN THEIR EFFORTS TO WEAKEN BUSH'S RESOLVE. CONGRATULATIONS!

Bush's pigheaded resolve has involved his country and this one in an illegal and immoral occupation of another sovereign country and the murder of many of its citizens.

America's standing is now at its lowest, worldwide. The sooner Bush's "resolve" is confined to the trashcan of history, the better. There is a long period of rebuilding necessary now, not more neo-con warmongering.

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Yeah, and it's awfully embarrassing when our president is unable to speak the English language, and our vice president will be known in history as the "go fxxx yourself" vp.

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I think Tony is toast.

White or wholemeal?

I think so too McTag. Although unlike you I'm sorry. He took a gamble on Iraq. Probably he had no real option... I don't know. Anyway the gamble didn't pay off thanks to the incompetence of Bush and the neo cons.

Rumours abound that he might resign on Wednesday after 10 years leader of the Labour party? Do you think so?

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Osama's public crticisms of Saddam were nothing more than a propaganda ploy to fool fools into believing that despite credible evidence to the contrary, Osama and Saddam were not working together.

So let me see if I understand this.

There is credible evidence of UBL-Saddam co-operation. But UBL criticises Saddam. Therefore, by this cunning ploy, people are deceived into thinking no such co-operation exists.

Laughing

Ican you are wandering off into the happy lands of fantasy.

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

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I think Tony is toast.

Rumours abound that he might resign on Wednesday after 10 years leader of the Labour party? Do you think so?

No, I think he will brazen it out to the bitter end. The man is convinced of his own overdue deification.

No leader should concern himself, aloud, with "his place in history". that is for others.

Tony's place looks pretty ignominious to me.

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theology does evolve as humankind learns and matures.

...to such an extent that the more learned and mature among us regard theology as a branch of anthropology

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

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theology does evolve as humankind learns and matures.

...to such an extent that the more learned and mature among us regard theology as a branch of anthropology

Either that, or the bastard son of mythology . . .

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No leader should concern himself, aloud, with "his place in history". that is for others.

I didnt know he said this. Don't dispute what you say but do you know where and when?

Agree it sounds really bad, if not positively deranged.

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ican711nm

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I'm quick to ask for evidence just in case that person was doing something more than merely expressing his or her own opinion.

Foolish question since you know the answer. However, only someone with blind faith could believe otherwise. Our president, thinks, believes he is being directed by GOD. Is that any different from people who believe that they are G. Washinton or Napoleon. You know where they end up.

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ican711nm

I should add it is not the existence of God that I dispute but the falsity of the religions [cults] that have been promulgated by man to describe and worship the entity we call GOD.

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"did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence, or pressure analysts to change their judgments." McG, This is not the problem. The problem is that this administration used unconfirmed intelligence information without questioning it's veracity to justify the war in Iraq. 100 percent of their information came from Iraq expats; and they all lied. In order for any president to justify war on the basis of 1) WMDs, 2) Saddam's relationship with al Qaida, and 3) Saddam's propensity to share WMDs with terrorists, turned out to be ALL WRONG. When this country sends our military into harms way, we must be 100 percent certain about the information used to justify war.

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