revel wrote: The Palestinians are fighting to get out from under the yoke of Israel.
The Palestinians rejected the Israeli offer (brokered by President Clinton) to turn over to the Palestinians the lands that the Israelis occupy in Palestine outside of Israel. The conditions the Israelis put on that offer were the Palestinians shall stop murdering Israelis, and the Israelis shall stop killing Palestinians in retaliation. By accepting that offer the Palestinians would cease being "under the yoke of Israel."
Shouldn't the Palestinians accept that offer now that Arafat is dead?
revel wrote: The Iraqi's are fighting for the US to get out of their country.
That is more easily achievable by the insurgents by participating in the January elections than it is by fighting Americans. Once these elections are held and the newly elected government decides it doesn't want the US in Iraq anymore, the US will leave with only two conditions:
1. The Iraqis shall agree to not harbor al Qaeda or other terrorists;
2. The Iraqis shall agree to not develop WMD.
revel wrote: The lies that were told are that Saddam Hussien had stockpilies of WMD and that he could use those WMD to attack us within a certain amount of days. (forgot the exact number) Neither of which is true and the administration was told that there were doubts about the stockpiles. ... We were never in any danger from Iraq until we invaded their country and started killing people
They were not lies, but they were falsehoods that were truly believed. The WMD were honestly expected to be found in Iraq. However, these falsehoods from many sources inside and outside our own country could not be completely verified as such until after we invaded Iraq on the ground.
However, our nation and its people had been attacked more than once by al Qaeda terrorists. Some of the more dangerous members of this organization were harbored by the
Taliban (i.e., the principal government of Afghanistan), and some were harbored by the
Saddams (i.e., the government of Iraq). Thankfully, our president decided to destroy the perpetrators' organization and remove the governments that willingly and knowingly harbored the more dangerous members of those organizations.
Please note that none of the attacks on Americans by al Qaeda involved WMD. Their attacks were nonetheless quite deadly and quite frightening. According to the 9-11 Commission Report, suicidal maniacs with "small knives, box cutters, cans of Mace or pepper spray" proved to be quite effective in turning airliners filled with civilians into deadly missles. They are without WMD dangerous enough to warrant their destruction
If you request it, I will post here again basic excerpts from what I think is persuasive evidence of all I've written here in reponse to your previous comment. All of this evidence is easily accessible to you via links I can also furnish again: Secretary of State Powell's speech to the UN 2/5/2003; 9-11 Commission Final Report 8/21/2004; and The Duelfer Report; 9/30/2004.
Unfortunately,
TMNM (i.e., The Major News Media--including all the news media that use them as a news source) presented many falsifications of this evidence. For that reason I recommend you see for yourself what this evidence actually is. Because of their many falsifications, I no longer trust the reliability of
TMNM.
It's too early to measure, and in many ways it is impossible to measure, the powerful incentive. Time will tell.
I think you are severely underestimating resilience of the United State's economy as well as the ability of her armed forces. Again, time will tell. 