Bernie's In

@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

You are one lying sack of **** snood.

Snood is spot on. You're a nasty narcissistic, racist, misogynist, bullying, child threatening moron.

If the prevailing wisdom is that you suck it's because you bring nothing of value to the conversation. When you're not beating down those less fortunate than yourself, trying to shock or crowing on about your own "genius," you're posting a load of paranoid lickspittle nonsense about the perils of women and how you want to lick Putin's arse. All delivered in stilting prose so execrably bad it would embarrass a lobotomised shitlark.

That's all you do, and it's so very dull.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I am an advocate for, and supporter of, free speech, if that is what you are asking.

You need to remind him, Frank, free speech is not without consequences, including post censorship.

All free speech guarantees is no or minimal prior restraint.

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@snood,

Thanks for your trying to clue Hawkeye in. A shame that such a humanitarian effort is hugely wasted.

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Bernie Sanders Starts to Name Names to Set Himself Apart From Hillary Clinton

Well here we go! I think many of us saw this coming. Go get her Bernie!

Bernie Sanders Starts to Name Names to Set Himself Apart From Hillary Clinton
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-starts-names-set-hillary-clinton/story?id=34911867

“Let me tell you a word about Social Security. I understand Secretary Clinton was here the other day. I think she and I have a strong disagreement on this,” he began, going on to talk about his proposal for maintaining and expanding Social Security by “scrapping the cap” on taxable income. By comparison, Clinton has only said she would consider such an idea.

For months, unless specifically asked about his primary opponent, Sanders did not mention Clinton while campaigning. Her name only came up in passing during Sanders’ stump speech. “This campaign is not about Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. ... This campaign is about you,” he often said.

That all changed with a pivotal night for Sanders at Iowa Democratic Party’s famed Jefferson Jackson Dinner last week. At the event, Sanders delivered his most cutting critique of Clinton to date, albeit without naming her name. Rather, he ticked through a series of past, key political moments when the two of them differed -- from the Iraq War to the signing of the Defense of Marriage Act -- in order to argue that he was the true progressive. In the days immediately following the dinner, he told reporters it was important to show voters the differences between himself and Clinton.

According to Sanders’s senior staff, they had begun a second phase of their campaign: the “persuasion” phase. Instead of simply rallying his core supporters and boosting his name recognition, Sanders would actively seek to win over undecided Democratic and independent voters, by precisely articulating a contrast with Hillary Clinton.

More at http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-starts-names-set-hillary-clinton/story?id=34911867

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He blasted Sanders for what many people saw as his standout moment in the first Democratic debate: defending former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"When the email problem came up, Bernie Sanders lost his whole campaign. I mean, what he did was so stupid from his standpoint," Trump said.

Clinton, the Democratic front-runner, has for months battled negative headlines about her exclusive use of a private email server and account for her government work at the State Department. Republican candidates regularly hammer her for the controversy, and the FBI is looking into whether any classified information was mishandled.

But when the topic came up at the CNN debate last month, Sanders declared "the American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails!" Sanders' quip was one of the most memorable lines of the debate, and it was even featured in a "Saturday Night Live" sketch.

Trump clearly felt that it was a mistake, however, and he said Tuesday that unless the email controversy spirals out of control, Clinton will defeat Sanders in their primary contest.

"In order to get a one-minute sound bite and some applause, he gave up the emails," the businessman lamented. "That was the end of his campaign. First of all, people aren't going to his rallies anymore. "He's finished. Unless something happens to her with respect to the emails, she'll easily be the candidate."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-slams-bernie-sanders-171036646.html

It is hard to say what was the biggest problem with that line, he was both factually incorrect about where America was and he was an idiotic political tactician. Both are big problems with Sanders. It is getting hard to imagine him moving the ball forwards if he gets into the chair. Trump is right though, it does feel like the D's are done with their fling and they are getting behind Clinton as they were supposed to do from the start, that was the program that the elite wrote last year. How much that really horrible minute of the debate is the cause IDK, but with 6 months of hindsight we should be able to figure it out. Trump might be right that it was critical.

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@hawkeye10,

So he said what he thought was the truth, at the expense of his political career? What a fool!... <smirk>

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@Olivier5,

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who declared during last month's Democratic presidential debate that "the American people are sick and tired" of hearing about Hillary Clinton's private email account, on Wednesday defended a federal probe into the matter and said it should continue.

“You get 12 seconds to say these things,” Sanders told The Wall Street Journal, referring to his comments at the debate. “There’s an investigation going on right now. I did not say, ‘End the investigation.’ That’s silly. ... Let the investigation proceed unimpeded.”

In one of the most memorable moments of the debate, Sanders chided the media for focusing on Clinton's email scandal instead of substantive policy issues.

"The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails!" he said, with Clinton nodding and smiling in agreement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-emails_563ac204e4b0307f2cac16ef?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

So Trump was right, I was right, now Bernie is trying to fix his mistake.....

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@hawkeye10,

Same article

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In Wednesday's interview, Sanders clarified that his comments were not meant to dismiss the controversy over Clinton's use of a private email server while she was secretary of state. He said federal agencies examining Clinton's emails have raised “valid questions,” such as whether the emails contained classified information.

Stopping a legit investigation (if those ass-clowns could actually run a legit investigation) and bleating in non-stop on the news instead of the candidates being able to talk about substantive policy issues are not the same thing.

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@hawkeye10,

His point was that the media loves to focus on irrelevant or trivial issues at the expense of discussing the real problems. You of all people should understand that point and its worth. For the US elite, a great way to keep the populace in line is to feed their minds with trivialities, so they can't think through the real problems.

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Wow...if I had not been assured by Lash that Sanders would never stoop to the level of regular politicians...

...I would think that on this issue...

...he did.

But Lash is never wrong!

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@Olivier5,

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His point was that the media loves to focus on irrelevant or trivial issues at the expense of discussing the real problems.

THe american people dont think what Clinton did with her e-mail was trivial. We also dont think that losing an ambassador on her watch was trivial. We also dont think that lying to the american people in the days and weeks after about how they lost him is trivial.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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His point was that the media loves to focus on irrelevant or trivial issues at the expense of discussing the real problems.

THe american people dont think what Clinton did with her e-mail was trivial. We also dont think that losing an ambassador on her watch was trivial. We also dont think that lying to the american people in the days and weeks after about how they lost him is trivial.

You do not speak for the American people, Hawk.

You speak for yourself.

I'm trying to think of a civil, courteous way to say what I am going to say next, but I suspect I will fail:

The last thing in the world I would want is to find that the majority of Americans feel as you do...because your view of the world disgusts me.

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@Frank Apisa,

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You do not speak for the American people, Hawk.

As if I am confused on that, which I am not.

This came out after the comment

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Now, that being said, 48 percent thinks she has not been honest about how Clinton handled her emails, but a whopping 59 percent said they are “tired of hearing about Clinton’s emails.”

And when you break it down by party, that’s 79 percent of Democrats, 56 percent of independents, and 42 percent of Republicans.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/new-poll-shows-majority-of-americans-are-tired-of-hearing-about-hillarys-emails/

And lets remember that "tired of hearing " does not mean do not care and does not mean not important, because it could means that the people have heard enough to make up their minds and have moved on. Sanders would have been closer to the truth had he said "people who might vote D are ready to move on", but that is not what he said.

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@hawkeye10,

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THe american people dont think what Clinton did with her e-mail was trivial.

Did you bother to read the poll you are attempting to warp meaning on?

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over half (52%) of the American public
feels that Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email
account during her time as Secretary of State was
mainly a matter of convenience compared to 33% w
ho say this behavior suggests she has something to
hide.

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“The
bottom line is that, despite Clinton’
s apparent failure to come clean
, most Americans see the continuing
discussion of her emails as mainly partisan politics.”

So, the answer is that, yes, the majority of the American people do think that what Clinton did with her email was trivial.

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@Frank Apisa,

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The last thing in the world I would want is to find that the majority of Americans feel as you do...because your view of the world disgusts me.

That is one wonderful motivation for taking up arms in the arena of ideas. So long as you dont personally attack me we are fine.

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@Frank Apisa,

at least in this case, yes, thank you.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

at least in this case, yes, thank you.

Ahhh...I think he made a politician's move.

If you could be honest with yourself...I think you would see it also.

Give it a try.

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@Frank Apisa,

If I thought Bernie acted with political expedience in this case, I'd have no problem admitting it. It wouldn't have been that bad of a thing to do, but very basic logic tells us that saying he's tired of hearing about it in the press and from the press as he tries to conduct a presidential campaign in no way means he thinks the investigation should be called off.

The two facts aren't mutually exclusive. No amount of desperate wrangling will change that fact.

I can't figure out which one you Bernie detractors think was wrong - when he said he was tired of hearing about Hillary's damn emails or when he said he wasn't calling for an end to the investigation...?

LOL. (Comparing Prince Bernie to that truly black-hearted lying sack of bribe money Hillary.)

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Lash wrote:

at least in this case, yes, thank you.

Ahhh...I think he made a politician's move.

If you could be honest with yourself...I think you would see it also.

Give it a try.

I agree that Bernie occasionally shows he will do something solely for its political value. Those things are NOT an expression of Bernie's uniqueness, moral purity or prophetic vision, they ARE actions taken in response to a shift in the POLITICS of the moment.

When BLM put heat on him, he altered the whole structure of his campaign to be more accommodating to the BLM movement. When it came to light that Hillary was more liberal on gun issues, he started making public statements that subtly tweaked his position in an effort not to concede any liberal ground. On the emails, Bernie clearly is adjusting fire to try to take political advantage.

Every politician does this - it's what makes them politicians and not patron saints. Even Bernie. For me, the fact that Lash can't admit that is what brings her position on anything concerning this race into question.

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Just for the record, pointing out that Bernie gets streaks in his shorts or makes political moves or does other things that simply show him not to be a deity doesn't make me a "Bernie detractor". That accusation's irrational bordering on deranged.

I think Bernie is an exceptional man, a true people's advocate...
and a human politician who does human politician ****.

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