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@Frank Apisa,

You weren't elected to make decisions about where the line is and when someone crosses it.

Ravings, per frank Apisa = anything he doesn't agree with

I'm not buying into Frank World. Climb off your high horse.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

You weren't elected to make decisions about where the line is and when someone crosses it.

And you weren't elected to tell me what I can or cannot comment on.

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Ravings, per frank Apisa = anything he doesn't agree with

There's lots and lots of stuff posted here with which I disagree. I seldom...very seldom...describe it as raving.

What you do, Lash....is to rave and rage. You are a bull in a china shop...a thrower out of the baby with the bath water.

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I'm not buying into Frank World.

Good decision. You do not have the ethical wherewithal to afford it.

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Climb off your high horse.

Lame.

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@Frank Apisa,

It's that stupid circular argument - you can't tell me what to say - no, you can't tell me what to say... ugh.

Your rhetoric shows you think you're superior to most people.

You aren't.

We will do our best to blow up Washington as it stands right now - corrupt and unresponsive to the average person who works and lives and dies in this country. Blow it up, blow it up, blow it up, bern it down, bern it down, bern it down.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I'm teaching a unit on the Holocaust

After first agreeing with Nazi propaganda then asking is there was any value in what it was saying, you've shown that you're not remotely qualified to discuss such a sensitive subject, let alone teach it.

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@izzythepush,

You fabricated my end of that conversation. I notice you do this frequently for kicks.

Nobody should take you seriously. Your sole aim on this forum is to pick insane arguments with members for no other reason than you enjoy the fight. Your lovely influence has massed a pack of self-congratulatory jackals - probably a few alters - making up ****, attempting to bully other members, and if any of them aren't actually you - tittering about it on PM.

This silly behavior is ruining the place.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

It's that stupid circular argument - you can't tell me what to say - no, you can't tell me what to say... ugh.

Your rhetoric shows you think you're superior to most people.

You aren't.

My rhetoric clearly shows that I have, on several occasions, acknowledged that I am not the sharpest tool in the A2K shed.

Not sure why you want to translate that to mean I think I am superior to most people...but you are an out-of-control individual, so apparently is what out-of-control individuals do.

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We will do our best to blow up Washington as it stands right now - corrupt and unresponsive to the average person who works and lives and dies in this country. Blow it up, blow it up, blow it up, bern it down, bern it down, bern it down.

Wherever you "teach" they ought to assign you a class in "manic behavior." You certainly know that subject!

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@Lash,

I fabricated nothing. You did not understand what was being discussed. Your ignorance, especially for a teacher, is appalling.

Just out of interest how does your Holocaust Unit start? Do you put the telly on?

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Obama and Bernie. This was a nice find.

I love what Obama said about Bernie toward the middle.

https://youtu.be/I7_xdg12Jq0

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Lash wrote:

I'm teaching a unit on the Holocaust - and he said "tattooed on their arms," twice.
And, along with Jews, I vow never to forget.
Maybe that explains it.

It also may be because you do not like me standing up to your ravings, Lash.

I am not in any way an anti-Semite...and the reference on your part was uncalled for.

It looks about par for the course. Such a fatuous, patronising statement is what I'd expect. The reality is quite different.

Israel was more than happy to welcome real nazi Paul Vorster on a state visit with all the pomp and fanfare, plus a bit of collaboration on nuclear weapons technology.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/07/southafrica.israel

The current Israeli premier, Binyamin Netanyahu is going out of his way to let Hitler off the hook by (falsely) trying to blame it all on the then Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

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Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been criticised for saying a Palestinian leader persuaded the Nazis to carry out the Holocaust.

Mr Netanyahu insisted Adolf Hitler had only wanted to expel Jews from Europe, but that Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini told him: "Burn them."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34591629

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@Frank Apisa,

I refuse to respond to him, Frank. He's despicable and eminently stupid.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Tone it down.

I dont work for you, and I dont agree with your tastes in language. I believe that aggressive language is completely fair in the combat of ideas, and I further believe that in this place and time is is required. American did not get into this horrible spot that we are in today because we have been using too aggressive of a style of speech, if anything it is soft language which has been the problem, this refusal to call a spade a spade and our refusal to offend the most squeamish. Beside, war terminology in politics has always been very common so don tact like this is new too you. You you likewise similarly offended when Clinton gave speech after speech about the need to blow up the welfare system, or Rumsfeld did likewise on the subject of the Pentagon? Would you be happy if I said instead " end Washington as we know it"? I refuse, it is more words, and it does not quite capture the essence of what I want to happen.

You do still believe in free speech dont ya Frank??

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Tone it down.

I dont work for you, and I dont agree with your tastes in language. I believe that aggressive language is completely fair in the combat of ideas, and I further believe that in this place and time is is required. American did not get into this horrible spot that we are in today because we have been using too aggressive of a style of speech, if anything it is soft language which has been the problem, this refusal to call a spade a spade and our refusal to offend the most squeamish. Beside, war terminology in politics has always been very common so don tact like this is new too you. You you likewise similarly offended when Clinton gave speech after speech about the need to blow up the welfare system, or Rumsfeld did likewise on the subject of the Pentagon? Would you be happy if I said instead " end Washington as we know it"? I refuse, it is more words, and it does not quite capture the essence of what I want to happen.

You do still believe in free speech dont ya Frank??

I do not do "believing", Hawk.

I am an advocate for, and supporter of, free speech, if that is what you are asking.

And I stand by everything I said concerning your inappropriate comments.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

You do still believe in free speech dont ya Frank??

Even when it's as terrible as this?

hawkeye10 wrote:

American did not get into this horrible spot that we are in today because we have been using too aggressive of a style of speech,

I don't think anyone can believe in that. I'd sooner believe in Crazy Horses by the Osmonds. Makes more sense.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/britishcomics/images/9/94/Osmongs.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/185?cb=20150527222529

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

You weren't elected to make decisions about where the line is and when someone crosses it.

Ravings, per frank Apisa = anything he doesn't agree with

I'm not buying into Frank World. Climb off your high horse.

After all these years of language being used to political purpose one gets the sense that Frank has figured out when language is being used in a way that goes against his politics, and so he cries out with objections. I have gone on many rants about how language is being destroyed from political motivated abuse, but that was never a claim of mine that is not fair to use language politically.

And lets be clear, Frank is attempting to drive his political views at A2K by trying to get my language shunned or better yet silenced by the mods. I doubt that Frank would be willing to even consider my justification for the language I use because he does not care, he does not like it, it works against his political beliefs, and that is all that matters to him. The mods however should be more enlightened, and they should consider that it is now clear that there are a whole lot of people in American who think and talk like me (which Frank is only to happy to admit), and so to exclude me and other people like me would be gross censorship.

I gather that we are going to see yet another attempt to gin up a shunning of Hawkeye, but they should be aware that their non response makes it all the easier for me to shred the logic and the content of their postings, and I have a long record of being willing to post even if I dont get very many responses. They also surely must know that there are a good number of people here who are more open minded and willing to consort with people who dont share their political views and/or tastes in language than they are, that so long as I make good point points and so long as I am interesting I will get read and I will get responded to. All attempts over the years to shut me down by shunning have not worked, and I know of no reason the tactic should work any better now. They are always free to tell the mods that it is them or me, that if I am not shut down they will leave A2K, but that tactic again has always failed, and I know of no reason it should work now when it never has before.

Maybe the answer is for Frank and all like him to practice open minded tolerance. for them to stop putting so much effort into working to arrange their environment by attempting to use what ever power they have to force others to do their bidding, just saying....

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@Frank Apisa,

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And I stand by everything I said concerning your inappropriate comments.

The truth is always appropriate in my books. Call me dinosaur if you have to to get it out of your system, then come up with an argument to support your beliefs on this matter if you want me to take your tastes seriously.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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And I stand by everything I said concerning your inappropriate comments.

The truth is always appropriate in my books. Call me dinosaur if you have to to get it out of your system, then come up with an argument to support your beliefs on this matter if you want me to take your tastes seriously.

Your rhetoric to "blow up Washington" is out of line.

It is, however, the kind of thing I expect of you.

Your "indignation" is noted...and I am still laughing at it.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Your rhetoric to "blow up Washington" is out of line.

So you keep saying. Why? What makes this raise to the level where you think you have the right to tell me how to talk? How do you justify your behavior here? So far all you have given us is " I Want. I want." or if I were to be less generous "I demand. I demand". This is obviously no where near good enough. You and I are equals, and this is true no matter how much it kills you.

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@Frank Apisa,

Thanks for fighting the good fight with the hawkeye blight. He's completely in the dark, and poisonously dangerous in the sense that a little knowledge is dangerous. Since his idiocy never wavers or relents, it's good to see someone continue to call it out as the dumbass noise it is.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

Thanks for fighting the good fight with the hawkeye blight. He's completely in the dark, and poisonously dangerous in the sense that a little knowledge is dangerous. Since his idiocy never wavers or relents, it's good to see someone continue to call it out as the dumbass noise it is.

That I suck has always been the conventional wisdom. You are one lying sack of **** snood. Just how dumb do you take everyone to be is what I now have to know. You are amazing!

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

snood wrote:

Thanks for fighting the good fight with the hawkeye blight. He's completely in the dark, and poisonously dangerous in the sense that a little knowledge is dangerous. Since his idiocy never wavers or relents, it's good to see someone continue to call it out as the dumbass noise it is.

That I suck has always been the conventional wisdom. You are one lying sack of **** snood. Just how dumb do you take everyone to be is what I now have to know. You are amazing!

Snood is not lying, Hawk. I thank him for his remarks...and YOU ought really to consider that we are both calling your excesses to your attention...not trying to shut you up.

Frankly, your nonsense does more to further some of the things Snood, I and others hold dear...than what we can do without you. I encourage you to keep speaking...you do my cause a great favor.

But the violence that has recently entered your posts...goes too far. So I called it to your attention. Instead of just easing back...you are doubling down.

Fine. You have that right. It's too bad people feel they have to go as far over the line as you...but as even you pointed out, in a democracy, the rest of us we have to tolerate it.

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